Majority of Republicans want universal healthcare.

[fantome profane]

Booowahahahaahhha, etc!
You fell into me trap....the DNC is a corporation.

Had I been arguing that political parties should be able to spend unlimited funds I would be feeling quite chagrined at this juncture.

However I don’t believe I have ever supported such an idea.

 

[Shad]

Big majorities, including Republicans, support ‘Medicare for all’ policy: Poll

Almost 52 percent of Republicans want Medicare for all according to a recent poll. That is Republicans! For Democrats it is over 84%.

But the real numbers that tell the story are the overall percentages. For Americans in general it is 70%. That is a huge number. And it is opposed by only 20%.

But still the mainstream media will portray policies like this and those who support them as the “radical left”, fringe politicians out of touch. And of course the RW media will portray then as Stalin. But this is what the majority of Americans want.

We are often told that America is split and the divide is tremendous and growing. But so often when you look at the actual issues there is remarkable consensus. People are people. They want to feel safe, they want security, for themselves and their families.

This is an issue that Democrats should run on on November. They will win easily if they do.

No actual poll is linked only the conclusion thus there is nothing to evaluate. The numbers are from a Bernie ad.

 

[Altfish]

The GOP also likes winning elections....& causing Dems to lose them.
Even corporate conspiracy types must have enuf cynicism to see that
if single payer gets the votes, then politicians will sing that tune.

Of course, that's because money and the Russians control your elections, it is a corrupt system that favours big business and the rich over the will of the people.

 

[Altfish]

To be fair a lot of Democrats are taking that same money from those same donars. That is why you need to get money out of politics. Then maybe you can get things like this done.

And CNN tends to be very dismissive of actual progressives. They tend to get pundits representing corporate democrats one one side yelling at RW Trump supporters and think they are representing all sides. But real liberals are virtually absent.

Agree totally, you have two right wing parties fighting for money. What chance Elizabeth Warren's proposals get a look in?...Nil

 

[Falvlun]

The whole point is, from the point of view of the corporations, it really doesn't matter which party actually wins. Obama was certainly friendly to corporate interests, so why wouldn't they want him to win?

Trump managed to pull off a fluke, which clearly rankled and upset a lot of people in high places. The intensity and volume of the opposition against him confirms this to be true. This doesn't necessarily negate or refute the idea that corporations control everything. It could simply mean that there is infighting amongst the oligarchs?

Horse ****.

The democrats support and legislate environmental protections. The republicans roll them back.

The democrats support and legislate business regulations. The republicans roll them back.

The democrats support and legislate minimum wage laws and worker protections. The republicans fight them tooth and nail.

The democrats support and legislate financial regulations. The republicans roll them back.

The democrats support health insurance regulations. The republicans threw a 6 year long temper tantrum to get them repealed.

The democrats want infrastructure built and operated by the government. The republicans want to privatize it.

The democrats want higher taxes on the super rich and corporations. The republicans just massively lowered it.

The Republican party’s overarching goal is to protect corporate profits— this is essentially baked into their economic approach— and they actually pride themselves on it. It’s a selling point for their party.

You cannot claim the same is true of Democrats.

Democrats are not perfect and they arent free from corporate interest and they often lack spine, but they also have a clear track record of pursuing policies and legislation that are not considered business friendly.

Maybe you prefer Republican policies. That’s fine. But Get back with this “both sides are the same” bull****.

 

[Mindmaster]

They could also win easily if they'd just go back to being the party of the working man.

Currently the party of:

1) The rich elite, the deep state, and infotainment
2) Basement dwelling bums, people on the dole, and those who have permanent identity crises
3) Senior citizens in populous areas, they won't be around long.
4) Communists, crazies like Nation of Islam, CAIR, and all the racists and anti-Semitic people. The only thing they don't have is the white racists.
5) Illegal Immigrants
6) Dead People! (sorry, that's just what happens here in Chicago even the dead Republicans vote Democrat)

But, if they went back to being the working mans party instead of the crazy party I'd probably vote for them again.

 

[Mindmaster]

Big majorities, including Republicans, support ‘Medicare for all’ policy: Poll

They always have... Republicans are not against healthcare for all they're against Obamacare and the insane premiums.

Specifically:

1) They want universal healthcare, they don't want it to cover optional procedures. Optional: Abortion, Cosmetic/Transgender, etc. They're fine for restorative dental...
2) They want price control and access to international market for medicine
3) Single payer, but private insurance option.
4) They don't want mandates. That's to say they want you to be able to opt out and keep your contribution if you wish. They still want you to be able to purchase private insurance if the system in place doesn't meet your needs.
5) They want you to be able to buy insurance cross-state for better prices.
6) They're 100% on with Obama's previous condition mandate

They mostly oppose Obamacare because it doesn't accomplish the job not because there is some debate of whether we need this or not.

 

[Revoltingest]

The whole point is, from the point of view of the corporations, it really doesn't matter which party actually wins. Obama was certainly friendly to corporate interests, so why wouldn't they want him to win?

Trump managed to pull off a fluke, which clearly rankled and upset a lot of people in high places. The intensity and volume of the opposition against him confirms this to be true. This doesn't necessarily negate or refute the idea that corporations control everything. It could simply mean that there is infighting amongst the oligarchs.



Many of them are just that. Of course, one could just as easily use the same argument and ask why people bother to even have opinions about politics at all? Why do people argue about it? What's the point?

If it doesn't matter which party wins, do you still vote?

 

[Revoltingest]

Had I been arguing that political parties should be able to spend unlimited funds I would be feeling quite chagrined at this juncture.
However I don’t believe I have ever supported such an idea.

This corporation still has vast funds to spend on political speech.
And were that lacking, they'd have government compel media to
give them free coverage for speech....a "contribution in kind".
This would give them even greater power to silence any third
party opposition. That looks worse than the current system,
within which someone like the Koch Bros can advocate for
things the Big Two don't like.

 

[Revoltingest]

Of course, one could just as easily use the same argument and ask why people bother to even have opinions about politics at all? Why do people argue about it? What's the point?

You'd have to ask people who believe their vote is superseded by corporate dictates.
But I don't believe that conspiracy, so I vote, my being a drop in the bucket notwithstanding.

 

[metis]

They always have... Republicans are not against healthcare for all they're against Obamacare and the insane premiums.

Categorically false. The Republicans have never in our history proposed a single bill that would set up universal healthcare. And now that they are in power, what have they proposed to replace the ACA? The answer: Nada.

 

[fantome profane]

This corporation still has vast funds to spend on political speech.
And were that lacking, they'd have government compel media to
give them free coverage for speech....a "contribution in kind".
This would give them even greater power to silence any third
party opposition. That looks worse than the current system,
within which someone like the Koch Bros can advocate for
things the Big Two don't like.

I believe the “kochtopus network” spends more on politics than the Democratic Party could ever dream of.

If I could recommend a book:
“Dark Money” by Jane Mayer. For anyone who wants to understand what has happened and is happening to to U.S. politics.

 

[fantome profane]

Categorically false. The Republicans have never in our history proposed a single bill that would set up universal healthcare. And now that they are in power, what have they proposed to replace the ACA? The answer: Nada.

I was tempted to argue with him but then thought who cares. If he wants to pretend they have always been for universal healthcare, let him.

Perhaps eventually the Republicans will have always been for gun control, gay rights, the environment, and taxing the rich.


“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”
Mahatma Gandhi

To which I will add, and then they pretend they were with you all along.

 

[Mindmaster]

Categorically false. The Republicans have never in our history proposed a single bill that would set up universal healthcare. And now that they are in power, what have they proposed to replace the ACA? The answer: Nada.

They also have changed their mind, pretty much in the majority. Especially regarding preexisting conditions. Republicans have another motive, and that's financial ruin via unexpected personal health crises. The Republicans are perfectly fine with universal healthcare if they have the option to choose whether to partake in it or not. (Many of them feel their private insurance is better and would like to keep that option on the table.)

There is also a wide chasm between what the Republican voter and the people living 20 years on Capitol Hill support. For example, issues like gay marriage -- the bulk of the Republican party is behind that, but the leadership is not. Same case here, but most of that leadership is senior citizens -- it's only a matter of time. The Democrats also suffer from that problem, in that their platforms do not necessarily reflect the constituency. If you can't understand that, it's on you.

Republicans have been working on the issue, but the establishment is firmly against but the up and comers are firm pro-healthcare. Since most of the power is consolidated in the established GOP leaders therein lies the problem. Anyway, this is a problem that time will solve.

 

[Stevicus]

Maybe you prefer Republican policies. That’s fine. But Get back with this “both sides are the same” bull****.

It's called being "being objective" and looking at both sides with an untainted, unbiased eye. If you can't see that, then I'm sorry, but there's no call for this kind of talk.

 

[Stevicus]

If it doesn't matter which party wins, do you still vote?

Sure, why not? It doesn't cost anything.

 

[Stevicus]

You'd have to ask people who believe their vote is superseded by corporate dictates.
But I don't believe that conspiracy, so I vote, my being a drop in the bucket notwithstanding.

You're oversimplifying.

 

[Mister Emu]

Almost 52 percent of Republicans want Medicare for all according to a recent poll. That is Republicans!

This really isn't surprising after the, pardon the pun, obamination foisted upon Americans by the previous regime. Almost anything sounds better after having your coverage cut and your prices doubled or tripled.

I'd find a poll of preference among various options more enlightening.

The majority of republicans also feel that pre-existing conditions shouldn't be covered.

There is no rational argument for insurance covering pre-existing conditions. You aren't buying insurance at that point, you are buying healthcare.

Even if single payer is funded by taxes employers, it would likely be less than they currently pay.

Not without price controls/collective bargaining. The reason the ACA was and is such a failure is because of how much it cost to cover people who we know are sick, and then trying to spread that cost to others.

The democrats support health insurance regulations. The republicans threw a 6 year long temper tantrum to get them repealed.

You mean the democrats' "regulation" that required you to get insurance from a corporation and add to its profits? That one? Was anti-corporation?

Democrats and Republics fill corporate bank accounts from different avenues, but they do it all the same. Were it otherwise they would have negative economic and investment growth, but that isn't what happens.

 

[sun rise]

Even today, the voters have great control.
You just don't like what the majority wants.

You are conflating how people vote for what they want. People are notorious for voting based on tribal identity, how the people around them vote and for other such reasons rather than what they've clearly said they wanted.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Big majorities, including Republicans, support ‘Medicare for all’ policy: Poll

Almost 52 percent of Republicans want Medicare for all according to a recent poll. That is Republicans! For Democrats it is over 84%.

But the real numbers that tell the story are the overall percentages. For Americans in general it is 70%. That is a huge number. And it is opposed by only 20%.

But still the mainstream media will portray policies like this and those who support them as the “radical left”, fringe politicians out of touch. And of course the RW media will portray then as Stalin. But this is what the majority of Americans want.

We are often told that America is split and the divide is tremendous and growing. But so often when you look at the actual issues there is remarkable consensus. People are people. They want to feel safe, they want security, for themselves and their families.

This is an issue that Democrats should run on on November. They will win easily if they do.

On another platform of lies and incompetence like they did with with Obama administration?

No thanks.