Make It Compulsory to teach Gen 9:1 to 9:19 In All Abrahamic, Schools, Mosques Synagogues & Church

[Treks]

Its not an Abrahamic text. Its before then. Its an echo of an older story and Hindus, Sikhs love it too So do I, so do you. As I keep repeating Its a pre-religious, socially cohesive non-violent passage that will do all kids the power of good to understand The Flood story pre-dates The Old Testament and it is also secular pre-Old testament and its secular, a secular teaching too You let your kids like Noah arks and rainbows or do you think that is dangerous as well If you go to the EU petition I have started ie on my sig read it and you'll get a better idea

Um, love what, exactly? The Bible?

 

[Treks]

Its a legal measure to get the teachers to teach it. Its a jewish/Christian/Muslim and Secular teaching. Hindus and Sikhs have little ground to object and of course it is easy to make provision to exclude certain religions and atheists if so wished. I mean it isn't impossible is it ?

Why not?

Why do you keep bringing up Sikhs?

 

[genesis9]

Um, love what, exactly? The Bible?

Why not?

Why do you keep bringing up Sikhs?

because I love them and their religion, but you have not read carefully enough. Don't reply and ruin the thread before you re-read and i do not mean you any slight. You are prob very busy etc.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

I might start a petition calling for religion to be kept out of education completely.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

I might start a petition calling for religion to be kept out of education completely.

Do you mean you want to remove religious groups having influence over education or you want to remove classes like RE so people can't learn about religion?

 

[Neo Deist]

I believe Genesis 9 is an echo of a much older philosphy/belief system and it has a message to all of us (its not the oldest eg Gilgamesh)

So you recognize that the Epic of Gilgamesh is older than the Noah story...that is a good start. It also means that the Bible, or at least that particular portion of it, was merely a rebranding of a story that had already been floating around (pun intended). The Hebrews will take exception to this and remind us that their oral tradition predates their written, but the same could be said of the Sumerians, which leads us back to square 1...the only written evidence makes the EoG older than Noah.

 

[Aset's Flames]

Why not read the petition? On my sig then tell me

Because forcing world views onto children is not brainwashing?

And you plan to talk about a story without saying it is real and hope that will counteract any forms of extremist brainwashing at home?

It is defiantly a stepbackwards.

 

[Treks]

because I love them and their religion, but you have not read carefully enough. Don't reply and ruin the thread before you re-read and i do not mean you any slight. You are prob very busy etc.

But Sikhs have nothing to do with the Bible.

I haven't read carefully because I do not believe in the value of the thread, sorry. I'm just here to say it has nothing to do with Sikhs.

 

[genesis9]

Um, love what, exactly? The Bible?

But Sikhs have nothing to do with the Bible.

Why not?
Why do you keep bringing up Sikhs?

Manu's "Navam"

Do you mean you want to remove religious groups having influence over education or you want to remove classes like RE so people can't learn about religion?

see OP please

But Sikhs have nothing to do with the Bible.

I haven't read carefully because I do not believe in the value of the thread, sorry. I'm just here to say it has nothing to do with Sikhs.

No they do not correct! Manu's "Navam" . The TIMELESS ONE =GOD=ALLAH ETC

 

[Treks]

No they do not correct! Manu's "Navam" . The TIMELESS ONE =GOD=ALLAH ETC

I don't now what that is and Google isn't helping.

Sikhs do not believe in Noah, they are not Abrahamic, they have no flood story in their scripture or traditions. So... I'm sorry, but your assertion is incorrect in this regard.

 

[JoStories]

I think all schools. I don't think it makes a difference what type of school, nor indeed what type of abrahamic place of worship either.
There is only one thread that pulls all the three religions togerther and it is written In Genesis 9:1-9:17

God speaks to the world through the sons of Noah is the allegory. Its written c1500BC and its an echo of something much older ehoed around other ancient cultures Its a fragment an essence
Thisis before religion and yet written in the very book that the Koran makes it so very clear was given to the Jews by Allah,
The point is that there can be no religious argument against the inclusion of this socially cohesive text iat the end of RE lessons and in religious services/sermons around the Globe. Any religious leader arguing against this better have the greatest reason in the world for refusing this move because people are being brainwashed to fight for a twisted verison of a beuatiful world religion, Islam.

What do you think?

I personally think that it's a horrible idea. I would not want my children to be taught religion in school ever. If you start teaching that one faith, what about the others? What will the school have to teach for ALL faiths, including the lack thereof? Public schools are no place for religion to be taught.

 

[JoStories]

I think that religious education should be taught in all schools. Religions are such a major part of our history, and still play such an important part in modernity that it should be compulsory. Even non-religious people should know about religions as their ethical and moral codes are still largely grounded in religious concepts.

An education system that doesn't teach about religions is not doing its job properly.

It should be taught from a historical and philosophical perspective though, rather than as religious advocacy.

Perhaps but it would be incredibly difficult to have children who have been steeped in a faith at home to be able to separate the dogma from just studying faiths through intellectualism. If, for example, a teacher began talking about Buddhism, for example, how would a Christian child be able to understand the abstract concepts contained therein and set what they believe aside? Most would be taking the side of there being 'one true god'. They would go home, tell their parents and the parents would be up in arms over this. Or what of the YEC, should they be taught the evolutionary aspects of our species, and again, the parents would be up in arms over their children being taught something other than the Genesis version. It would never work.

 

[JoStories]

Here is the bottom line.
Schools only have limited time and resources. If they manage to teach the basics they're doing well.
Language and math and geography and science and history and literature and civics and basic skills, coupled with the joy of learning and critical thinking and a modicum of discipline and socialization.
The schools already have a huge task. Adding to that task, like expecting them to teach @genesis9 morals and interpretation of scriptures is not at all feasible.
Tom

Agreed. We already are behind in terms of children being taught more than one language, they fail at math, geography and particular grammar and proper English. It is much more important to teach the aforementioned rather than religions.

 

[JoStories]

So you want this section taught according to your interpretation. Got it.

That is my problem with what he is advocating as well. And its one helluva slippery slope once started. It would not work as he thinks it will.

 

[JoStories]

The story is in every culture . its as old as the hills. it obviously contains within it some truth or it would not have been so widely documented. As for whether vampires are real, well like the Flood story they appear in legends in cultures all over the world. But if you read genesis properly you'll find that God wiped them out when he wiped out the nephilim That is a sort of theological joke

The story may be as 'old as the hills' but the story was not known in every culture until more recent years. Many tribes of Native Americans have no such story embedded in our lore. And what truth is there is a story of a world wide flood that wiped out scores of people? You are presuming much about the book of Genesis which has no basis in fact.

 

[genesis9]

Because forcing world views onto children is not brainwashing?
And you plan to talk about a story without saying it is real and hope that will counteract any forms of extremist brainwashing at home?
It is defiantly a stepbackwards.

No, forcing world views onto children IS NOT BRAINWASHING AND YES the strory was realish i

I personally think that it's a horrible idea. I would not want my children to be taught religion in school ever. If you start teaching that one faith, what about the others? What will the school have to teach for ALL faiths, including the lack thereof? Public schools are no place for religion to be taught.

Perhaps but it would be incredibly difficult to have children who have been steeped in a faith at home to be able to separate the dogma from just studying faiths through intellectualism. If, for example, a teacher began talking about Buddhism, for example, how would a Christian child be able to understand the abstract concepts contained therein and set what they believe aside? Most would be taking the side of there being 'one true god'. They would go home, tell their parents and the parents would be up in arms over this. Or what of the YEC, should they be taught the evolutionary aspects of our species, and again, the parents would be up in arms over their children being taught something other than the Genesis version. It would never work.

Agreed. We already are behind in terms of children being taught more than one language, they fail at math, geography and particular grammar and proper English. It is much more important to teach the aforementioned rather than religions.

That is my problem with what he is advocating as well. And its one helluva slippery slope once started. It would not work as he thinks it will.

The story may be as 'old as the hills' but the story was not known in every culture until more recent years. Many tribes of Native Americans have no such story embedded in our lore. And what truth is there is a story of a world wide flood that wiped out scores of people? You are presuming much about the book of Genesis which has no basis in fact.

 

[genesis9]

Ok now that you have released your anger which is a good thing, re-read the OP and folo me............err on some of the other threads

 

[genesis9]

I don't now what that is and Google isn't helping.

Sikhs do not believe in Noah, they are not Abrahamic, they have no flood story in their scripture or traditions. So... I'm sorry, but your assertion is incorrect in this regard.

I am sorry if I have offended you my friend with my ignorance but what I do here now is exactly what you have on youir tagline "To think is easy. To act is difficult. To act as one thinks is the most difficult." - Goethe

 

[Aset's Flames]

No, forcing world views onto children IS NOT BRAINWASHING AND YES the strory was realish i

Forcing world views onto children is brainwashing.

You are forcing someone to adopt certain beliefs through pressure and conditioning.

What do you think brainwahsing is?

How is the story realistic?

I can assure you that no world wide flood has happened within the last 4000 years.

 

[Treks]

I am sorry if I have offended you my friend with my ignorance but what I do here now is exactly what you have on youir tagline "To think is easy. To act is difficult. To act as one thinks is the most difficult." - Goethe

You haven't offended me, I'm merely pointing out that Sikhs have no relevance to your message in any way, shape or form; so stop saying it.