Tesla
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I live in the UK not the USA. In the UK my Great-Grandfather founded Allerton Synagogue
My father too went to the Jewish school and attended all prayers 3 times a day regularly with tephilim etc . I didnt want to do it because when I was 6 I read Gen 9 and found the only writing about God that is acceptable to ALL of Humanity. Didnt know it then of course.
Ergo as per my post I was born an orthodox Jew In the UK ? Well I think it does. Irrelevant anyways.
If you like you are more Jewish than me more holy, closer to God and that really does suit me . You have patronized and insulted me personally, by implying that I am a liar h but that is OK I'm not here to sell myself.
You said this "Please understand that it is offensive when others claim to have this upbringing etc etc . "
...and you diminish my character with your words when we are here to talk about
Make It Compulsory to teach Gen 9:1 to 9:19 In All Abrahamic, Schools, Mosques Synagogues & Church
But just in case you were wrong about my family's Orthodoxy or otherwise you add that I dont know enough/didnt learn hard enough/didn't spend long enough reciting to get anything out of Judaism, another poor guess.
Poor Tesla so in love with the custom and the TRADITION and the stories and the words of the famous rabbis but so immersed in the forest he hasn't realized that the path he walks leads nowhere. Lost like the Qabbalist who only when he puts down all the complex Tetragammaton stuff he reads, only when he walks away from it ....then and only then can he really see it for what it is, a red herring. BTW I bet not all Jews see you as Orthodox even with all your conversions (that was nasty)
Then Tesla said "
No, they have to be orthodox! They have to display that their decision to leave Judaism was based on life-long study of Torah which resulted in undeniable evidence that supports whatever new religious movement they’ve decided to join."
Rubbish, Rubbish Rubbish. Now you are telling me how I should make my own journey when all I was doing was asking you to make Gen 9 more prominent .
And I really like this one " You are the one who inflated your background, not me. I just asked you to answer a very basic question, akin to being like, “Which food is dessert: bread or birthday cake?” You have now shown other Jewish people that you too can tell lies . The clever trap spring loaded question you asked me (and I'll ask perhaps my cousin Rabbi Rosenblatt or perhaps Rabbi Refson Neve Yerushalayim whether or not the question you asked me was basic or not. So dont tell lies.
It was a trick question and no I couldn't answer answer it because I do not care about the subject. By your logic I and indeed everybody reading this forum can'T know God because me and everyone else here couldn't answer a rabbinical question about blessings for bread.
Now I could play your game I could Google you ask you what you are selling. Should we ask you how much you make out of your ministeries. Why not? On the UK forum here I have been batted all over the place BUT I'm not making any living out of this, don't want to. However to do such a thing to you here in Public to assassinate your character imo would not be fruitful to self nor others so I'll not do it
Finally you say this "The problem here is that you believe that you understand Judaism better than practicing Jews do. Not just orthodoxy, but Judaism as a whole. If you cannot understand my religion, my people, my customs, and my traditions, then where do you come off , trying to step into my shul or my yeshiva (either in person, or through any legislation), and tell my Rabbis and my people that we’re studying Torah incorrectly, and that we have to alter +3500 years of Jewish study and belief to satiate your agenda?"
I do not understand Judaism better than practicing Jews do. After reading your words I thought to myself Genesis 9 cannot be a Jewish text . Noach cannot be a Jewish text . Why? because Tesla differentiated in his words Jew and Gentile whilst God (if God exists) blessed ALL equally Rabbi. Instead of filling your head with tradition and prayer, re-educate yourself. You alienate as many as you care for, in your Jewish Batting orders Club so you are irrelevant as is your opinion to anyone not Jewish
I don't want to know Judaism I don't want to brush up on my Parshot or whatever
Focus your mind on this Rabbi . How is your religion going to solve the mess that it equally with the other Abrahamic faiths have made ? Try Gen 9 Rabbi Or if you wish the rest of ALL those that God blessed to think that you have something more special than anyone else and we all know that you do, then Parshat Noach
I was going to end by saying that Yes The rabbis got it wrong and still do and yes after 3500 we are still slaughtering each other, but then I got that that little prod I always get when I'm winning an argument so I will say only that some Rabbis looked in the wrong places and taught the wrong thing and some looked in the right places and taught the right thing, but anybody at a glance can know what is from God and what is not... because you actually blaspheme when you even lead people into prayer if you want to play clever religious argument games with me.......... How so?
Gen 9:6
Parshat Noach
[9:6] Whoever sheds the blood of a human, by a human shall that person's blood be shed; for in his own image God made humankind. [9:7] And you, be fruitful and multiply, abound on the earth and multiply in it."
I'll spell it out again, only this time I'll write it as I feel it and I am allowed to feel it the same way as anybody else because God just told me I was made like him, in his image, not just in looks Oh no clever clever Rabbi BUT also in values ..so we don't need yours thanks!!
Here we go again ...yep my words, yep MY beliefs and YEP the only way to read it
Gen 9:6
Even if you do the very worst thing you can do, which is to kill someone, I'm not going to punish you, I do not need to ......You were made like me, so please be happy be fruitful (that is to self and others by definition)
But I know you won't get that Tesla you have the journey you have made to date, right into the thicket that is Judaism, when you had such a promising start. No I don't mean that. That would be mean.
Correct. They misinterpreted the Adam and Eve snake story. I have it about right I think, but for now that is off-topic imo
Goodness that was quite a rant!
Your whole post serves as a firm reminder to me that I should always check to see if a user has identified their gender on their accounts before I assume that they're male or female.
Good lesson.