"Make Rape Legal" Men's Group Plans Events in 43 Countries for Saturday

[Sunstone]

The spokesperson for a U.S.-based anti-woman group who advocates for “legal” rape has organized worldwide meet-up events in 43 different countries on Saturday.

On a website advertising the “Return of the Kings” event, self-styled “pick up artist” Daryush “Roosh V” Valizadeh has encouraged his misogynist supporters to “come out of the shadows and not have to hide behind a computer screen for fear of retaliation,” The National reported.

The website promises 165 events in 43 countries at 8 p.m. local time on Saturday. Valizadeh has instructed his followers to go to a public location at each meeting area and identify themselves by asking, “Do you know where I can find a pet shop?” From there, group members will be taken to a secret meeting location.

Women and the LGBT community have been banned from attending the meetings.

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Do you think men who hate women represent a significant number of men in the Men's Rights Movement?

What do you think is the ratio of such men in the Men's Rights Movement to men in the Movement who do not hate women?

Do you think women who hate men represent a significant number of women in the Feminist Movement?

What do you think is the ratio of such women in the Feminist Movement to women in the Movement who do not hate men?

“By attempting to teach men not to rape, what we have actually done is teach women not to care about being raped, not to protect themselves from easily preventable acts, and not to take responsibility for their actions,” he wrote at the time. “I thought about this problem and am sure I have the solution: make rape legal if done on private property.” -- Daryush “Roosh V” Valizadeh

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Do you agree with Valizadeh that, "by attempting to teach men not to rape, what we have actually done is teach women not to care about being raped, not to protect themselves from easily preventable acts, and not to take responsibility for their actions"?

Do you think we should teach men not to rape?

[Further Reading]

 

[Kilgore Trout]

Do you think we should teach men not to rape?

I think if we teach people to be respectful, compassionate, and empathetic, that it wouldn't be necessary.

 

[Debater Slayer]

In before #NotAllMRAs and "supporting preventive measures is not victim-blaming."

 

[Sunstone]

I think if we teach people to be respectful, compassionate, and empathetic, that it wouldn't be necessary.

I agree in theory. But I'm honestly not sure how that works out in practice. I've known a few respectful, compassionate, and empathetic men who, it seems, were able to suspend all that when it came to such things as date rape.

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

[Source]

Do you think men who hate women represent a significant number of men in the Men's Rights Movement?

What do you think is the ratio of such men in the Men's Rights Movement to men in the Movement who do not hate women?

Do you think women who hate men represent a significant number of women in the Feminist Movement?

What do you think is the ratio of such women in the Feminist Movement to women in the Movement who do not hate men?

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Do you agree with Valizadeh that, "by attempting to teach men not to rape, what we have actually done is teach women not to care about being raped, not to protect themselves from easily preventable acts, and not to take responsibility for their actions"?

Do you think we should teach men not to rape?

[Further Reading]

(1): Based on there practices...probably but I cannot be sure.

(2): I am not for sure enough to guess.

(3): They are present but not a major voice.

(4): Probably around 80%.

(5): No

(6): We should teach Men, Woman, and Intersexuals not to rape.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

I agree in theory. But I'm honestly not sure how that works out in practice. I've known a few respectful, compassionate, and empathetic men who, it seems, were able to suspend all that when it came to such things as date rape.

I suspect it's more likely that their true personality is what they suspend when they put on their mask of respect, compassion, and empathy.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

I agree in theory. But I'm honestly not sure how that works out in practice. I've known a few respectful, compassionate, and empathetic men who, it seems, were able to suspend all that when it came to such things as date rape.

But, I'm also not sure how it works out in practice. I don't know if it's any more effective at the end of the day than trying to teach people not to do something.

 

[Sunstone]

I suspect it's more likely that their true personality is what they suspend when they put on their mask of respect, compassion, and empathy.

In recent years, I've come to suspect that the frequency of rape worldwide is far too great for it to be something that is merely confined to a relative handful of "bad men". But this is only a suspicion. The studies I've seen are inconclusive.

 

[9Westy9]

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Do you think men who hate women represent a significant number of men in the Men's Rights Movement?

Not sure

What do you think is the ratio of such men in the Men's Rights Movement to men in the Movement who do not hate women?

Not a clue

Do you think women who hate men represent a significant number of women in the Feminist Movement?

Not sure

What do you think is the ratio of such women in the Feminist Movement to women in the Movement who do not hate men?

Not a clue

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Do you agree with Valizadeh that, "by attempting to teach men not to rape, what we have actually done is teach women not to care about being raped, not to protect themselves from easily preventable acts, and not to take responsibility for their actions"?

Partly, the whole "teach men not to rape, don't teach women how not to get raped" dialogue is ridiculous. We tell people to lock their doors to help prevent thefts, so giving sensible tips to women (and men) on how to lower their chances of getting raped makes perfect sense.

Do you think we should teach men not to rape?

[Further Reading]

We already do. We teach people as they're growing up that rape is wrong and it's emphasized by the laws in western countries.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

That Roosh guy is a psychopath. I follow that Return of Kings site on my feed reader and it's extremely horrible. Sadly, I think his views are more widespread than one would like to think, MRA or in just in general.

I don't see much man-hating from feminists these days. That was really a 2nd Wave radfem thing and associated with "political lesbianism" and lesbian separatism. Those types tend to be up in age and literally dying out. They have some younger converts, but they tend to be pretty marginalized. 3rd Wave feminism is currently the mainstream of feminism and tends to be more inclusive of everyone, or at least strives to be.

 

[RedDragon94]

Do you think we should teach men not to rape?

umm... Absolutely!

Do you think men who hate women represent a significant number of men in the Men's Rights Movement?

What do you think is the ratio of such men in the Men's Rights Movement to men in the Movement who do not hate women?

Why do men even need a civil rights movement? That is ridiculous. When have our rights ever been threatened? Rape is not a right.

Do you think women who hate men represent a significant number of women in the Feminist Movement?

I think that depends on what they vocalize about men. Not everything is hate speech, the feminist may raise some valid points on topics that people don't take note of enough. If there are people out there that want to make rape legal then I don't blame women in the feminist movement for hating men.

 

[Sunstone]

I don't know if it's any more effective at the end of the day than trying to teach people not to do something.

I think it might be worth a try --- given that nothing else has seemed to work, and given the gravity of rape. But, like you, I'm prepared to be disappointed.

 

[Sunstone]

If there are people out there that want to make rape legal then I don't blame women in the feminist movement for hating men.

I'm in general agreement with what you've said, but returning hate with hate doesn't seem to me much of a solution.

 

[9Westy9]

In before #NotAllMRAs and "supporting preventive measures is not victim-blaming."

Believing this guy to be representative of MRA's would be like taking radical feminists to be representative of feminism. Also supporting preventive measures isn't victim blaming.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I'm in general agreement with what you've said, but returning hate with hate doesn't seem to me much of a solution.

It's really not, but it's understandable when it comes to victimized groups hating the victimizers.

 

[Jumi]

Partly, the whole "teach men not to rape, don't teach women how not to get raped" dialogue is ridiculous. We tell people to lock their doors to help prevent thefts, so giving sensible tips to women (and men) on how to lower their chances of getting raped makes perfect sense.

Part of the so-called sensible advice is useless and makes one question if the people giving it have any real world experience at all.

 

[Jumi]

In fairness this guy should also campaign to give those women the legal right to use lethal force in self defense against attempted rapists and similar rights to anyone concerned about the rape to give justice. I wonder how long he would last?

 

[RedDragon94]

I'm in general agreement with what you've said, but returning hate with hate doesn't seem to me much of a solution.

What do you think they're gonna do? I think we ought to make a law that says when a person is raped the perpetrator should be open season for anybody. I bet @Nietzsche will be happy to hear. And surprisingly this thought process actually comes from a story from the Bible.

 

[9Westy9]

Part of the so-called sensible advice is useless and makes one question if the people giving it have any real world experience at all.

The point is that there are some sensible pieces of advice that can reduce a person's chances of being raped.

 

[Jumi]

The point is that there are some sensible pieces of advice that can reduce a person's chances of being raped.

Yeah like keeping an arm's length away from guys and firmly saying no. /sarcasm