Making sense of the Pandemic

[dad]

No, you do.

You think scumbags like us are an obsession of God’s !
We are the reason for His Activity and Holographic Self Harm !

Without us, you would be nothing, lol.

Yes, He died for scumbags like us.

 

[John53]

I asked if this could be from God. You are the one claiming I said it was for sure. But there will come a time and possibly it started already, when the vicious demonic baby murderers and haters of all that is natural and good will be dealt with by God if they do not seriously repent.

It's a great system, do what you like just remember to repent before you die.

 

[dad]

It's a great system, do what you like just remember to repent before you die.

If you want to change your leopard spots I would suggest getting to it.

 

[Howard Is]

If you want to change your leopard spots I would suggest getting to it.

You assume that there are no people of goodwill apart from those who use your symbol set.
That is fundamentally wrong.
There are good, loving, generous, forgiving and civic minded atheists, buddhists, Hindus, and heavy metal guitarists.
Grow up.

 

[John53]

If you want to change your leopard spots I would suggest getting to it.

Why do you keep trying to make me believe what you believe? It would be a little silly of me to do that when you've proved yourself so uwrong on several points.

 

[oldbadger]

His main message was to believe in Him as the only way and truth and life and salvation.

The Baptist and Jesus.... both. Their main message:-
Matthew {9:13} But go ye and learn what [that] meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

He talked of the coming kingdom where He rules on earth also. There is no one even in wicked nations that could not ask and receive His free gift of eternal life if they wanted. There is no need for nations to be judged if they repented.

Source?
Jesus was for the working people of Palestine.......

However, God did have to deal with Pharoah to get him to let His people go.

The Israelites got out of Egypt by their own abilities and knowledge and determination.
I might tell you how they did that some time.

He had to deal with many kings and nations throughout history. That does not mean He did not love them and try to get them to come to Him. That only means they refused every time and went on to pose a danger to His people and plan of salvation for man. Then they had to be stopped.

Salvation?
Please tell us about any four cases in the last, say, 1000 years where God has brought salvation to 'his people'.....

Your idea that being loving means bending over and taking it up the rear from the wicked is in error.

What a disgusting mind you've got if you think that is my idea of love. How do you think up this muck?

 

[oldbadger]

I asked if this could be from God. You are the one claiming I said it was for sure. But there will come a time and possibly it started already, .....

You see? Yeah........ I think you hope for this kind of thing.

.......when the vicious demonic baby murderers and haters of all that is natural and good will be dealt with by God if they do not seriously repent.

This is rubbish. Just admit it, please, that you don't give a hoot for babies in the foreign world anywhere.

Question Time!:- Your question........ When God's people captured outsiders who could they spare?
1. Could they spare virgin girls?
2. Could they spare young men?
3. Could they spare foreign wives?

They could only spare one group from the above..... which group?

Last question:- What happened to pregnant captives?

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If the God of the Israelites is your God, then good luck to you.

 

[Howard Is]

Yes, He died for scumbags like us.

No.
I die. No one else can do that for me.

Within my lifetime I regularly face the death of my sense of identity.

When that happens there is a deep inward looking, and I suffer from the realisation of my delusions and bad karma.

That is my personal passion play.

I don’t need to believe anything. What I just described is the natural functioning of a healthy conscience.

 

[Howard Is]

Or the easy listening version...

 

[oldbadger]

@dad .........

So far there have been about 350 posts and about 1880 views on this thread.
I looked through your posts from page 17 all the way back until I would find any one of your posts comment-ticked by a viewer.
I looked and looked until on page (about) 7 Post number 143 I found a comment. The viewer thought that post was 'funny'.

This lack of support might indicate that your ideas about Christianity as well as your insults towards some members are not the right way to go....... what do you think?

 

[SkepticThinker]

The operation God did on Adam did not turn him into a girl. Looking at Focus on the Family's position on the issue, it seems to agree.

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• We affirm God’s design for the two sexes – male and female – and marriage between one man and one woman as the place God established for sexual love to occur.
• We disagree with revisionist gay and transgender theologies as contradictory to foundational Christian doctrine and the Judeo-Christian sexual ethic.
• We oppose the ordination of “transgender” and “transsexual” individuals into the clergy and the celebration of “transgenderism” as one of God’s gifts.
• The church must continue to proclaim the truth of God’s intentional design for marriage and sexuality: The two sexes, male and female, are created in His image; and marriage is the union of one man and one woman. The modern “transgender” movement is systematically working to dismantle the reality of two sexes – male and female – as the Bible and the world have always known this to be. If the transgender lobby succeeds, there will be striking consequences for individuals, marriage, family, children and society at large.
• While God’s intent for sexuality and gender is being turned upside down, we must remember that those who struggle with their gender identity have lived lives of great pain, confusion and rejection. And, just as Jesus went out of his way to reach the outcasts of society, we’re called to humbly share His love embodied in the Gospel, to lift them up in prayer and to allow the Holy Spirit to bring about conviction, healing and transformation.
• We affirm the Christian view that to be human is to be holistically united as body and spirit. Scripture teaches that even in heaven believers will have gloriously redeemed physical bodies. In contrast, transgender revisionists hold to the pagan view that the body is a container that the spirit is poured into. They erroneously conclude that either God has mistakenly put an opposite-sex spirit into the wrong body or that the body is not the real person – that only the spirit is real. As Christians, we believe that God can heal these disconnected, gnostic views and bring restoration and wholeness – where body, soul and spirit are in unity.
• There has been a growing trend of parents raising their children without designating them male or female. A similar trend encourages parents of children who might not fit into typical social expressions of masculinity or femininity to raise them as the opposite sex. Instead, we encourage parents to lovingly help their children to embrace their bodily sexual reality. Christian parents can raise daughters who grow up to accept and enjoy their femininity, knowing deep down that being a girl is a good gift from God. Likewise, Christian families can raise sons to grow up to be healthy men who embrace their masculinity and see it as a good gift from God.
• God calls us to proclaim the truth and beauty of His design and the redemption of sexual brokenness in our lives and culture through Jesus Christ. Like everyone else, “transgendered” individuals are desperately in need of God’s truth and deserve to know the love and compassion of Christ as shown through His people.
  
  Transgenderism - Our Position - Focus on the Family

So even Focus on the Family couldn't come up with scriptural support for their prejudice, eh?
Thanks for sharing.

 

[dfnj]

Not sure how talking about the Almighty invokes that sort of insane demonic response. I forget some people are not here to debate or offer a rational position.

So if someone disagrees with you they are demonic and irrational. I think you are the one who needs to look into the mirror and think deeply about who you are.

In the case of so-called science, one man's religion is also his cult.

You have so much hatred for science. Science is our best method of solving problems without bias or prejudice. Science is not a threat to your faith unless your faith is really weak. I think your faith in God is very weak which is why you have so much hate for other people and see the World as being wicked and evil.

Ignorant blasphemy.

I get it, you idol worship Jesus.

God already spoke in His word. I don't have to speak for Him there. I can pipe in a few insults myself though of my own volition.

You quote scripture like you have the power of God in your hand. You don't know what God thinks. You are not God. The level of your delusion and hubris has no bounds.

You thought they were perfect??! They would not be evil though if they were believers, just sinners that were saved. The evil refuse to get saved and reject God.

This is not true. What is evil is an opinion. People like yourself declare other people are evil all the time.

My faith is stronger than yours. My faith is in an omnipotent God of unconditional love. My God loves and saves everyone with no conditions. This is what unconditional love means. You faith is weak. And you worship a lesser God. My God saves everyone no matter what because my God is all-loving. Your God is weak and unable to forgive. My God allows everyone to enter the gates of Heaven to experience eternal bliss regardless of our Earthly sins or how we practiced our religion or not practiced our religion. Which is good news from some people because it takes almost all of God's omnipotent powers to love them. Your idea of God is full of hate. This why you see everyone else as being evil. Your interpretation of the Bible is full of hate.

Orchestrated in perfect harmony by the Great Conductor.

I will prove to you the Bible was written by men. Consider the following passages:

A blood-curdling tale from the Book of Judges, where an Israelite man is trapped in a house by a hostile crowd, and sends out his concubine to placate them:
“So the man took his concubine and sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused her throughout the night, and at dawn they let her go. At daybreak the woman went back to the house where her master was staying, fell down at the door and lay there until daylight. When her master got up in the morning and opened the door of the house and stepped out to continue on his way, there lay his concubine, fallen in the doorway of the house, with her hands on the threshold. He said to her, ‘Get up; let’s go.’ But there was no answer. Then the man put her on his donkey and set out for home.” (Judges 19:25-28)

As if my wife would ever allow me to have a concubine. Don't you find it a little strange if the Bible were the absolute truth and word of God that having a concubine would be morally okay?

The ending of Psalm 137 is often omitted from readings in church:
“Happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us – he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.” (Psalm 137:9)

In what Universe is it morally okay to dash and infant against the rocks!!!

“Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel.” (1 Peter 2:18)

I'm sorry, how can you think the Bible be absolute truth and the word of God if it got the morality of slavery wrong!

What is moral and what is not moral is in the eye of the beholder. In my World, the way to salvation is not by joining Jesus's fan club or saying magic words. Being a fan of Jesus, as you seem to be, means nothing. Saying magic words means nothing. The way to salvation is by getting forgiveness from the people you have sinned against. We have to listen to the people around us to know if we have sinned. Evil and salvation is in the realm of men. If you want justice you have to get it from our secular court of law.

As I've said God is perfect, whole, complete, and without any needs or desires. God has no reason, cause, or purpose to be involved in the affairs of men. Men are responsible for evil and crapping in their own beds. Men are responsible for cleaning it up. I believe in the golden rule of karma. If you cause other people to suffer you will suffer here and now in equal proportion.
As I said, one's man's religion is another man's cult. Your way of thinking about God is just as much a cult to me as my way is to you.

What, you have tea together? That sort of god sounds more like a spineless phantom bore with no sense of life or humor and no personality or will of their own. But then again the gods' people create in their own image tell us a lot about themselves.

Absolute authority comes from within. If anyone tells you differently they are either trying to sell you something or get you to join the power structure of their cult. For you, all your truth about God comes from outside of yourself. It takes courage to stand up and have confidence in thinking for yourself on such matters of opinion about God. For you, however, you put all your trust in other people's opinions. You acquiesce to what everyone tells you what is right and what is wrong. You are a knee bender. It takes strength of conviction to have real faith God and stand up.

Sin causes that too, and this is the problem.

Sin causes nothing. We act badly because we have needs and desires. It is our needs and desires which are the source of all that is evil in the World. If only God created us with omnipotent powers would we be able to have all our needs and desires fulfilled. God did not create us this way. But you judge people and society as if God created people without any imperfections. You are not about loving people. You are about hating people because people have imperfections. When you label someone as a demon or call them evil this is not an expression of love. You are causing people to suffer from your labeling. People are already suffering enough with their own imperfections. You are just making matters worse.

False. Some desire to help and save people. Some human desire is to love. Not all needs and desires are bad. What a sad little philosophy.

You are closed minded, your faith is weak, and you have no strength in your own inner authority. This is why you cannot comprehend what I am saying or accept it as a possible truth. It's not that my philosophy is little or sad. It's more the case you have too much hubris about your own.

 

[dfnj]

Sinful man is responsible and is aided and abetted by fallen angels. Not like you can wave spirits away, good or bad.
What a hateful thing to say and what a lie. Facing the fact that God has rules and that they are for the best and work for us and for salvation is anything but hateful. We are to love good and despise evil. If God has to step in at times and judge nations it is not out of hate. It is out of love. If He did not correct people and nations in this world, it would have gotten too wicked to warrant continued existence long ago.
You seem to hate believers in society. I, on the other hand merely despise the evil and wickedness that rots society.
God has judged nations in history and He did so for real reasons. Much the same reasons that we see permeating modern societies. God is the judge. If we see that He was stepping in for some judgment that is not believers judging! That is believers being aware of what is going on.

You are not God. It is not for you to judge. The men who wrote the Bible are not God. It is not for them to judge what is evil and what is not. Evil only exists in relationship between two people. It doesn't exist on its own as you believe. People are not inherently evil. People act in an evil way in relationship to someone else. This is why it is more important to take responsibility and fix the mess we have made than just saying magic words of supposed forgiveness which mean nothing to the person who is suffering as a result of our actions. It bothers me when people like yourself do not take evil seriously or assume you have achieved salvation by doing things that have nothing to do with cleaning up the mess you have created!

Stop projecting suffering on others. I am having a great old time!

Stop hating God and pieces of God's creation and I will believe you. God loves everything in His creation as being sacred and divine. God loves the very least quality person among us as well as the greatest saint equally. You claim God makes choices. I choose to have faith in a God of unconditional love that has no conditions over who is loved and who is not loved. My God is stronger than yours because my God does not have any needs or desires. Your God is weak and full of needs and desires about evil and judgment. You are worshiping a lesser God. My God is perfect.

Don't blame me if God has judged nations in the past. If He was acting now, it is not our fault either. Of course, I find mass murder and deep perversions and offending children disgusting. I could see why the Righteous God would want to step up to bat for them.

This is fantasy delusion on your part. You know perfectly well based on human experiments there is NO amount of evil God will not tolerate in order to preserve our free will. God is constantly dropping the ball with regards to unnecessary evil in favor of His long term plan. Again, if you want justice it will only come from a secular court of law. I would not put God to the test and assume God is going to punish people you deem evil. Nobody knows the mind of God. Nobody knows what God will do. As I said evil is in the eye of the beholder. Which person in the World is God going to use as His definition of evil. Yours? I don't think so.

No. Adam was not ignorant at all. It was after the disobedience that he knew evil also, and not just the good anymore.

If your entire religion is about obedience to authority you can have it. Obedience to authority is not the basis of a religion. You would think an omnipotent God would be slightly more egalitarian than authoritarian. But again you are showing your lack of spine. If subjugation is your natural state then keep bending you knee out of fear of authority:

I think you crave subjugation. This is why you kneel

False. Man needs Jesus to return to paradise. He cannot save himself. Man can have no peace until he receives the Prince of Peace.

I disagree. My God is way too powerful not to save everyone. My God uses His omnipotent powers of forgiveness to make sure everyone get's to experience eternal Heavenly bliss. When we die, we go into the light, we look into the face of God and we experience God's infinite beauty. This is the experience of eternal Heavenly bliss. Time stops, all our needs and desires are fulfilled, and our soul returns back to God from whence it came. There is nothing stopping us from going into the light. For thousands of years people have documented near-death experiences which all talk about going into the light. There is no life after death. All there is after death is eternal Heavenly bliss after we experience God's infinite beauty.

I think people who refuse to accept an omnipotent God of unconditional love are just full of hate for themselves and the people around them. God's love has no conditions as you are making up with your false claims.

 

[dad]

You assume that there are no people of goodwill apart from those who use your symbol set.
That is fundamentally wrong.
There are good, loving, generous, forgiving and civic minded atheists, buddhists, Hindus, and heavy metal guitarists.
Grow up.

I do not look for good people. If people were good, Jesus would not have needed to come to pay their ransom price and save them. There are many nice people (much of the time) there are many fairly good people (much of the time) but there is no one on earth that never sinned. No one can save themselves. The very wicked are just people more given into sin than others. Sin is what causes death (and all the problems in the world)--that is the issue.
The only remedy if Jesus. He forgives sin because He was good and only He could have given His life to set us free from death and sin. Man's 'goodness' is like filthy rags that smell beyond any endurance in comparison. We need to accept His gift so we will have His goodness in us. There is no other way.

 

[dad]

Why do you keep trying to make me believe what you believe? It would be a little silly of me to do that when you've proved yourself so uwrong on several points.

OK. Believe what you like.

 

[dad]

The Baptist and Jesus.... both. Their main message:-
Matthew {9:13} But go ye and learn what [that] meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

In other words we deserve death and hell, but He had mercy and made a way to eternal life and forgiveness.

Source?
Jesus was for the working people of Palestine.......

It seems to me that the multitudes He healed could not even work in many cases. His apostles worked for Him. He told them to leave their jobs! The Pharisees worked, but He told them basically to find another job! He is no respecter of persons and saved the rich and the poor.

The Israelites got out of Egypt by their own abilities and knowledge and determination.
I might tell you how they did that some time.

Excellent, so please provide for us here to see, a group of Israelites that can arrange bread each morning to feed millions in the dessert? Who can call in the angel of death to bring Pharoah into line? Who could bring water from rocks in the desert? Who could cause the sea to part and have dry land to walk over?

Salvation?
Please tell us about any four cases in the last, say, 1000 years where God has brought salvation to 'his people'.....

In the last few minutes four people have asked Jesus into their heart and receive eternal life and became part of His people. All believers in the last 1000 years fit that bill also.

 

[dad]

You see? Yeah........ I think you hope for this kind of thing.

When God does have to judge nations He takes no pleasure in their death. I don't think I do either. However, I do look forward to the day His kingdom comes and His will is done on earth as it is in heaven. I do like it if some babies do not get murdered and burned and hacked to death.

"By Amber Butts · March 24, 2020
Abortion clinics in Ohio have been ordered to cease nonessential, elective abortion operations, The Hill reports. This has spurred a debate between pro-choice and pro-life advocates on whether or not abortion is an essential procedure.

Ohio is the first state to make this decision, and the worry over others following suit is legitimate, with Texas running closely behind. Texas attorney general Ken Paxton stated that abortions shouldn’t be performed unless the mother is in danger, The Texas Tribune reports. Providers who violate the executive order risk being fined by $1000 and may face up to 180 days in jail.

Anti-abortion groups across the country celebrate the move, claiming that elective surgeries are a threat to public health."

Abortions Are An Essential Service, Even During COVID-19 Pandemic

I do like it if some young people have trans operations canceled to maybe give them time to rethink things.
Transgender surgeries postponed indefinitely amid coronavirus pandemic

This is rubbish. Just admit it, please, that you don't give a hoot for babies in the foreign world anywhere.

Not sure how not wanting millions of babies to be killed translates into 'hating babies' in your mind. Don't much care either.

Question Time!:- Your question........ When God's people captured outsiders who could they spare?
1. Could they spare virgin girls?
2. Could they spare young men?
3. Could they spare foreign wives?

Whoever God knew needed to be spared.

If the God of the Israelites is your God, then good luck to you.

If He isn't to you, luck won't help.

 

[dad]

No.
I die. No one else can do that for me.

Death forever is not the death you are thinking of. The mere changing of bodies when this life on earth ends is not death, it is more like a short nap, or changing planes at an airport.

Within my lifetime I regularly face the death of my sense of identity.

When that happens there is a deep inward looking, and I suffer from the realisation of my delusions and bad karma.

That is my personal passion play.

I don’t need to believe anything. What I just described is the natural functioning of a healthy conscience.

A conscience helps us realize we did some wrong, it does not save us.

 

[dad]

@dad .........

So far there have been about 350 posts and about 1880 views on this thread.
I looked through your posts from page 17 all the way back until I would find any one of your posts comment-ticked by a viewer.
I looked and looked until on page (about) 7 Post number 143 I found a comment. The viewer thought that post was 'funny'.

This lack of support might indicate that your ideas about Christianity as well as your insults towards some members are not the right way to go....... what do you think?

If you post to please mostly nonbelievers, that could explain the quality of your posts.

 

[dad]

So even Focus on the Family couldn't come up with scriptural support for their prejudice, eh?
Thanks for sharing.

This verse seems to get the point across

Deut 22:5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God

If a man puts off his testicles and puts on boobs, ...connect the dots?