Man made god vs Buddha

[ratikala]

namaskaram :namaste

thanks for your comments.

First of all, I fully respect & accept all other religions, because we are family & from the same source indeed. That is the truth, we are here for each other. ^_^

:yes: this is true we are from the same source , and of the same source and whilst we are here we should recognise that we share the same condition as others , so we should live with compassion .

My point is, do not let the labels, ideas & perceptions separate us from the true self, others & the universe.

some people need to associate with what might be called labels , it is a part of their path ..... and to me there is more than true self ,more than a collection of others , more than the universe , there is a seperate entity , this sepperate entity we may call god , we may call adi buddha , it does not matter what we call it it is the primal force which is without begining and without end , ... even our universe is finite .

you may not be happy with the idea of a creator being and not want to envisage a god , but from where and from what does everything expand , ourselves and our universe ? ....and whos is the power that draws us back in ?


for this reason when a christian says god is love , I understand him :namaste

If you are able to see things as they are from the origin point of view, without carrying the labels, ideas & perceptions that you adopted from the world, it will help you to return to the nature condition & see the true reality of who you really are.

allthough some ideas are presented to us as concepts they are perceptions are born of realisation and are for us to personaly realise , .... they are more than just labels .

Mediation is just one of the way to help us to stay present & to remove the killing perceptions we got from the world, it helps to purify the mind, so that the we can cultivate deeper wisdom to see the true reality of us. Without removing the dirt, we can never be able to see the gem inside us.

the meditation which helps us stay present is merely the preliminary , as is the clensing of defilements , when I say meditation I am refering to contemplation .

Meditation without wisdom of understanding the dharma (Buddha's teaching), will never help you to be enlightened.

Enlightenment requires compassion & wisdom.

thus some would say 'grace' , some would say 'mercy' ....either way there are blessings bestowed from the greatest compassion who is himself wisdom in its fullness .

Btw, as far as i know, there isn't anything higher than the truth of the universal law of "cause & effect" if you truly understand how law of universe works. Only the true enlightenment one will be able to understand it because they are the one who can truly see things as they are without worldly perceptions & ideas.
there is more than universal law , it is how we come to realise that truth , how we come to realise that it is more than cause and effect , by realising that 'mercy' is above these things above us , and above our concepts . if we but knew it such love is our final goal , our final destination :namaste

 

[Gjallarhorn]

I do not see there is anything related to what you claimed in that Sutta. I guess, you have to follow me more & learn about who is Buddha.

So, you didn't notice the point where he says "No, I am not a human being" and where he begins talking of "Mahabrahmas" (Great Brahmas) being born in other worlds? Or that heedfulness (aka, the path of Nirvana) is deathless?

You didn't read them at all, it seems.

 

[graalbaum]

That's why the ancient egyptian are all gone and still so corrupted until now, due to their ignorance and blind faith of their belief. :faint:

now....if only you had a book to sell

 

[Athan]

You are welcome, nice to share the great compassion & wisdom of Buddha with all of you! I am new too, more threads & posts are on the way.

May joy & peace be with all beings on earth.

If you would like to find out more about Buddhism & Zen practice, please visit my blog at: buddhasdreamllc.com

Oh, you misunderstand. My lack of knowledge is deliberate. I have no intention of learning any more Buddhism or Zen practice than what I might occasionally stumble on from people like you. It's rare, and it's purely happenstance.

 

[graalbaum]

Oh, you misunderstand. My lack of knowledge is deliberate. I have no intention of learning any more Buddhism or Zen practice than what I might occasionally stumble on from people like you. It's rare, and it's purely happenstance.

A Master saw a disciple who was very zealous in meditation.*


The Master said: “Virtuous one, what is your aim in practicing*Zazen(meditation)?”

The disciple said: “My aim is to become a Buddha.”*

Then the Master picked up a tile and began to polish it on a stone in front of the hermitage.*

The disciple said: “What is the Master doing?”

The Master said: “I am polishing this tile to make it a mirror.”*

The disciple said: “How can you make a mirror by polishing a*tile?”

The Master replied: “How can you make a Buddha by practicing Zazen?"

 

[Athan]

A Master saw a disciple who was very zealous in meditation.*


The Master said: “Virtuous one, what is your aim in practicing*Zazen(meditation)?”

The disciple said: “My aim is to become a Buddha.”*

Then the Master picked up a tile and began to polish it on a stone in front of the hermitage.*

The disciple said: “What is the Master doing?”

The Master said: “I am polishing this tile to make it a mirror.”*

The disciple said: “How can you make a mirror by polishing a*tile?”

The Master replied: “How can you make a Buddha by practicing Zazen?"

What's your aim, graalbaum?

 

[graalbaum]

What's your aim, graalbaum?

aim?

to break on through to the other side.....
without being a lizard king

 

[FashionOfMyLove]

Isn't Buddha man made too?

No it has been proven he actually was real, he is a historical figure. He was just a spiritual teacher who we believe achieved insight into life and suffering and who taught the way to liberation, not a God.

 

[BUDDHADREAM]

namaskaram :namaste



:yes: this is true we are from the same source , and of the same source and whilst we are here we should recognise that we share the same condition as others , so we should live with compassion .



some people need to associate with what might be called labels , it is a part of their path ..... and to me there is more than true self ,more than a collection of others , more than the universe , there is a seperate entity , this sepperate entity we may call god , we may call adi buddha , it does not matter what we call it it is the primal force which is without begining and without end , ... even our universe is finite .

you may not be happy with the idea of a creator being and not want to envisage a god , but from where and from what does everything expand , ourselves and our universe ? ....and whos is the power that draws us back in ?


for this reason when a christian says god is love , I understand him :namaste


allthough some ideas are presented to us as concepts they are perceptions are born of realisation and are for us to personaly realise , .... they are more than just labels .


the meditation which helps us stay present is merely the preliminary , as is the clensing of defilements , when I say meditation I am refering to contemplation .



thus some would say 'grace' , some would say 'mercy' ....either way there are blessings bestowed from the greatest compassion who is himself wisdom in its fullness .

Btw, as far as i know, there isn't anything higher than the truth of the universal law of "cause & effect" if you truly understand how law of universe works. Only the true enlightenment one will be able to understand it because they are the one who can truly see things as they are without worldly perceptions & ideas.

there is more than universal law , it is how we come to realise that truth , how we come to realise that it is more than cause and effect , by realising that 'mercy' is above these things above us , and above our concepts . if we but knew it such love is our final goal , our final destination :namaste

Thank you for your sharing..

:yes: I totally agree with you that the source of universe is "love & compassion" & the true reality of all of us is also "love & compassion", that is what we called "buddha nature" in buddhism.

The only reason for me to said that the universal law of "cause & effect" is above all, is because, everything that is happening in or out of the universe or rebirth cycles, every single things happened due to the law of "cause & effect", including the source of the universe, buddha, dharma, sangha and all beings, nothing is beyond the law of cause & effect.

Our final goal should be attending buddhahood (returning home) by understanding how the law works in order to cultivate for our compassion & wisdom through our daily life. Dharma is the only true & completed map for you to walk on the path to enlightenment & bring you to the other shore.

Make sure you are using the right map, if you got the wrong map, no matter how hard you try, you will never reach to the right destination.

 

[BUDDHADREAM]

No it has been proven he actually was real, he is a historical figure. He was just a spiritual teacher who we believe achieved insight into life and suffering and who taught the way to liberation, not a God.

:yes: Buddha was here to show the path, but everyone has to walk on their own path by using the map of dharma.

If you truly follow through the paths that he showed, all beings will be able to liberate just like him as we all carrying the same buddha seed (buddha nature).

All we have to do is learn how take care of our buddha seed, make it grow and rip.

Take at least but not limited to the 5 precepts & the nobel eightfold path.

 

[BUDDHADREAM]

A Master saw a disciple who was very zealous in meditation.*


The Master said: “Virtuous one, what is your aim in practicing*Zazen(meditation)?”

The disciple said: “My aim is to become a Buddha.”*

Then the Master picked up a tile and began to polish it on a stone in front of the hermitage.*

The disciple said: “What is the Master doing?”

The Master said: “I am polishing this tile to make it a mirror.”*

The disciple said: “How can you make a mirror by polishing a*tile?”

The Master replied: “How can you make a Buddha by practicing Zazen?"

:clap Thanks for sharing, this is one of my favorite dialog

 

[Me Myself]

If son or father makes no different, then, the man-made-bible should be discarded. The worshipping of god should be discarded as well.

In love I trust, not religion.

Humanity can save the world, not religion.

Don't you think the term of "religion" is a big Separation of mankind?

Can human being survive without religion?

I njoy worshipping gods. I have no reason to discard it

Any label will both separate and unite.

 

[Me Myself]

Then again, all words are labels.

 

[BUDDHADREAM]

So, you didn't notice the point where he says "No, I am not a human being" and where he begins talking of "Mahabrahmas" (Great Brahmas) being born in other worlds? Or that heedfulness (aka, the path of Nirvana) is deathless?

You didn't read them at all, it seems.

Do you know twisting the teachings of buddha and posting the false messages about dharma is the worst karma you could get? Please be aware!

Dharma & zen are sacred because they were the holy boats provided by the source of universe to bring all beings to the shore of eternal joy & peace, they will never be twisted by anyone!

Do you know why you are such a sad person? You carry too much negative energies due to posting too many false posts online.

What you do is what you get, no one can escape. That is the eternal karmic law of the universe.

Be true & honest, that will set you free. :disco:

 

[Me Myself]

Do you know twisting the teachings of buddha and posting the false messages about dharma is the worst karma you could get? Please be aware!

Dharma & zen are sacred because they were the holy boats provided by the source of universe to bring all beings to the shore of eternal joy & peace, they will never be twisted by anyone!

Do you know why you are such a sad person? You carry too much negative energies due to posting too many false posts online.

What you do is what you get, no one can escape. That is the eternal karmic law of the universe.

Be true & honest, that will set you free. :disco:

He is deliberately twisting the dharma because he is evil.

Good thing we have peoe like you to show em.

The naughty one is laughing manically now.

Oh so naughty.

 

[BUDDHADREAM]

I njoy worshipping gods. I have no reason to discard it

Any label will both separate and unite.

Choice is yours, but make sure your god is the true loving god & treat all beings equally, including the animals.

Make sure your god wasn't made by man, and using the name of god to control you.

All the best!:flower2:

 

[Me Myself]

Choice is yours, but make sure your god is the true loving god & treat all beings equally, including the animals.

Make sure your god wasn't made by man, and using the name of god to control you.

All the best!:flower2:

I put my trust in Shiva, in Jesus and in others.

Its mostly an exercise of gratitude me thinks but... Hum... Deeper maybe? The feeling of worship is similar to that of grattitude but somewhat different.

All best to you too :meditate:

 

[BUDDHADREAM]

Then again, all words are labels.

Yes, that is why we have to see things as they are from the origin point of view not how it was labelled. Think beyond words, labels & standards. That will help you to see the true self & treat all beings equally.

Use your heart instead of mind, our mind had download too much junks & hazard perceptions from the world since we were born. Those worldly perceptions & standards will confuse and block you from seeing the true potential of you and disconnect you from the true source of universe.

Zen (meditation) will train us to use our heart more and help us to keep our mind clean and pure, to avoid our mind being polluted by the worldly perceptions and over-powered by our negative desires. :162:

 

[BUDDHADREAM]

I put my trust in Shiva, in Jesus and in others.

Its mostly an exercise of gratitude me thinks but... Hum... Deeper maybe? The feeling of worship is similar to that of grattitude but somewhat different.

All best to you too :meditate:

Always keep your mind more open! I like Jesus teachings as i was a baptized christian before, Jesus was a real person but he wasn't the son of god, he was crucified by those who created god and claimed that he is the son of god and was here to wash away our sin to made their crucification more reasonable.

Look at the world, see how many people are suffering now, how many people were being born in the poor countries without a choice, how many helpless animals were being killed and treated as god's food for human, all the natural disasters! Will a true loving god make their children suffer like this and ask for his savior? Not even an ordinary human will did this to their own children. There is nothing to loose to be a open minded person.

May your love & kindness always be blessed & be the light for others! :dan:

 

[Me Myself]

Yes, that is why we have to see things as they are from the origin point of view not how it was labelled. Think beyond words, labels & standards. That will help you to see the true self & treat all beings equally.

Use your heart instead of mind, our mind had download too much junks & hazard perceptions from the world since we were born. Those worldly perceptions & standards will confuse and block you from seeing the true potential of you and disconnect you from the true source of universe.

Zen (meditation) will train us to use our heart more and help us to keep our mind clean and pure, to avoid our mind being polluted by the worldly perceptions and over-powered by our negative desires. :162:

Heart and mind both have their place. Neither is all. Both are beautiful assets
I am happy to have

I consider Jesus God and his son, I consider myself God and his son, I consider you god and his son.

Ultimately, I call God to the consciousness that is beyond all and encompasses us all.

I wish I meditated more, i certainly should do that now that I have job, I need the load off my head :thud:

Always keep your mind more open! I like Jesus teachings as i was a baptized christian before, Jesus was a real person but he wasn't the son of god, he was crucified by those who created god and claimed that he is the son of god and was here to wash away our sin to made their crucification more reasonable.

Look at the world, see how many people are suffering now, how many people were being born in the poor countries without a choice, how many helpless animals were being killed and treated as god's food for human, all the natural disasters! There is nothing to loose to be a open minded person.

May you love & kindness always be blessed & be the light for others! :dan:

I put some of my thoughts of this above

I all, may you too be so blessed :namaste