3rdAngel
Well-Known Member
Hi @Katzpur
3rd Angel already lost his debate regarding his claims he could prove the genesis 7th day pause was a Saturday and that he could prove it has been held on every Saturday since the beginning of time.
I think that the reason 3rd Angel lost this specific debate is, I think, because his claim to be able to prove a historical point extended beyond the historical data and into pre-history. In short, he promised he could prove too much. It became a bragging point lorded over other religions rather than an objective historical point.
Historians (and the rest of us) know that the available historical data will only take one so far. For example, one can theorize that Adam had blue eyes and blond hair. The problem with that theory is that, while we might imagine Adam had a certain appearance for Adam, there simply isn't enough data to tell us what color Adams eyes were, nor what color hair he had.
For 3rd Angel to claim that he could prove that the when God paused his work, was the same day as our modern Saturday, or that he could prove that this same saturday was the sabbath throughout all time was a claim that could easily be dismissed. Another problem that accompanies personal pride is that it often leads the proud to dismiss good qualities in other individuals. For example, the O.P. chastizes other Christians who may actually have more Love and Honor for God than the person who chastizes them for honoring God differently than he does. And this, when their humble and kind and loving religion may be more pure and authentic than the religion of the proud.
The point of asking posters if ANY of them believe that they or anyone else can prove that the day God paused in this work was a Saturday on a modern calendar was to show that they did not have confidence in the data they were given. IF Christians are to make any headway in helping others come to authentic faith in God, they will need to have influence and credibility. Credibility is like other resources, credibility can be squandered and lost. And one cannot gain it by dishonest claims or my mischaracterizations of other people. Forum readers are not particularly stupid and the intelligent ones see mischaracterizations for what they are.
3rd Angels claim that he could prove the 7th day of rest in Genesis was a Saturday and the current Saturday is the SAME as THAT Saturday was doomed from the beginning.
I think it is proper to honor theists who honestly love and honor and exercise faith in God whether they agree with our own theories or not.
Clear
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According to the scriptures, it is given to the blind to have eyes to see and ears to hear and the lame to walk while those saying they see do not see. Those saying they hear do not hear and those saying they walk do not walk. This is because spiritual things are spiritually discerned. They that be whole do not need the physician but those that are sick seek him. Many do not know the meaning.
Who can know the mind of God? As the heavens are higher than the earth so are my ways from your ways and so are my thoughts from your thoughts. But the Spirit of truth is given only to those that are poor. He is the teacher of all the poor in spirit, he knows them all by name because he reads the intent of the heart that is sick. Who can look into the mirror that God gives to see who they are? These are those the look into the mirror and see God. The natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God neither can he know them because in his mind they are foolishness. Now you say you see therefore your sin remains.
Come let us reason together; Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: If any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. Call upon me while I am near, tomorrow may be too late and why will you die when by my stripes you may be healed. With an everlasting love have I loved you and with loving kindness have I drawn you therefore why will you turn from me? It is hard to kick against the pricks.
Do you know these scriptures dear clear? If so what do you think they mean?