Man to Man... or Woman

[Saint Frankenstein]

Its arrogant to assume and state he hates god and his mother, that he was rebellious, amd the rest of that nonsense.

My mother was also a Christian and she completely accepted me as her son. She was excited for me to start testosterone and wanted to see me grow a beard.

 

[eik]

Would it kill you to come to terms with the fact that people can believe things differently to you and be sincere about it, without your whining at them about how wrong they are? What about compassion, would it kill you to have some of that? How about love and understanding? No-one has imbued you with the power to tell people what and who they are, and especially not because their Christianity isn't the same as your Christianity. I hate to break it to you, but you're not going to be the only one in Heaven.

I'm not going to touch on heaven and its opposite, because that would entirely counterproductive in this particular thread.

It's not even a question of right or wrong (although that is a material point but I am not even raising it). The only point I am trying to make is that trans-sexualism is not found in the bible outside of being inferred as implicitly associated with Canaanite temple prostitution and religious practices. In other words, it has nothing to do with religion taught in the bible. It just doesn't exist in the bible, from which one can deduce that it is a humanist philosophy, and no part of the faith of Christ to believe in such things.

 

[Rival]

I'm not going to touch on heaven and its opposite, because that would entirely counterproductive in this particular thread.

It's not even a question of right or wrong (although that is a material point but I am not even raising it). The only point I am trying to make is that trans-sexualism is not found in the bible outside of being inferred as implicitly associated with Canaanite temple prostitution and religious practices. In other words, it has nothing to do with religion taught in the bible. It just doesn't exist in the bible, from which one can deduce that it is a humanist philosophy, and no part of the faith of Christ to believe in such things.

Toothbrushing isn't found in the Bible.

You do understand your approach is not necessarily even Biblical? Traditions were and are just as important. The Gospels themselves were based on oral narratives, so I'm not sure where you're coming from as there was no Bible when the apostles and others were alive. Your whole position appears to be based on 16th century Protestant values; even the Mediaeval Church didn't consider all mental illnesses caused by demons.

In my faith we have a saying, 'The Torah is written in the language of men'. In other words, it's written with a view to human understanding and knowledge. When a passage says something, this is how a human understands what's going on and in his context, his worldview. So this could be applied to your man casting out demons; the authors wrote 'cast out demons' because that's what made sense to their audience, they knew what that meant and what the implications were - but what was really happening was a complex, non-understood mental disorder at the time being healed, but no-one before even around the Enlightenment would have understood this, so it's written in a language that folks understand. So this passage isn't about demons, it's about Jesus healing someone; that's the point.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I'm not going to touch on heaven and its opposite, because that would entirely counterproductive in this particular thread.

It's not even a question of right or wrong (although that is a material point but I am not even raising it). The only point I am trying to make is that trans-sexualism is not found in the bible outside of being inferred as implicitly associated with Canaanite temple prostitution and religious practices. In other words, it has nothing to do with religion taught in the bible. It just doesn't exist in the bible, from which one can deduce that it is a humanist philosophy, and no part of the faith of Christ to believe in such things.

Er, no modern medical diagnoses exists in the Bible, because modern medicine or science didn't exist yet! That's like saying Alzheimers doesn't exist because the Bible doesn't mention it!

Although, people who may be called transgender or gender variant if they were alive now are mentioned in the Bible at times. In the NT, they're referred to as eunuchs, which was a third gender category in certain usages (for example, the Ethiopion eunuch in Acts).

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I'm not going to touch on heaven and its opposite, because that would entirely counterproductive in this particular thread.

It's not even a question of right or wrong (although that is a material point but I am not even raising it). The only point I am trying to make is that trans-sexualism is not found in the bible outside of being inferred as implicitly associated with Canaanite temple prostitution and religious practices. In other words, it has nothing to do with religion taught in the bible. It just doesn't exist in the bible, from which one can deduce that it is a humanist philosophy, and no part of the faith of Christ to believe in such things.

One can just as easily assume this lack of mention means god disnt care enough about to even bother mentioning it. And Jehovah does tend to be very detail oriented and meticulous in covering whats important to him.
Amd lets be honest, theres alot the Bible doesn't mention. Artificially enhancing our bodies, space travel, automobiles, industrial-scale manufacturing, computers and cellphones, AM/FM waves, television, organ transplants, clones, and so much more that has been conceptualized, discovered, amd invented since the time ofthe Bibles writing.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

My mother was also a Christian and she completely accepted me as her son. She was excited for me to start testosterone and wanted to see me grow a beard.

Wow. Frank. Happy for you. Not many have that love from their parents (so seen by trans teen interaction). A process nonetheless.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Wow. Frank. Happy for you. Not many have that love from their parents (so seen by trans teen interaction). A process nonetheless.

She was really my only family throughout my life. I am in contact with my oldest sister and she accepts me, too, however.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

@eik what do you do when someone is having a seizure or suffer from chronic depression or, say, anxiety?

Do you pray over them only since it's demon possession and not medically originated?

I'm thinking you're one of the group or christian cult some people call it that looks at prayer as medicine and let's people die or suffer because the Bible is more important than medical knowledge?

Is that true?

 

[rational experiences]

The Christ occult science attack theme, historically is against the use science and Temple pyramid transmutation of God One stone SION mass.

Fu SION is a mass natural support of human life.

Satanists as occultists tried to claim Fi SION, created life, a nuclear reaction.

Being what all arguments are science based on today, occult/nuclear ancient practice and a human agreed world law that said, never give God a name again.

As a book that detailed the occult attack, hence by science reference is not logic, for AI, the effect is also not logic.

Ask science is it logical to take the natural held spatial historic mass upon which you stand and convert it....then preach God below us, to God above us = equals the same effect?

God the one stone product. Mass cold radiated fusion. Science takes the SION stone, heats/transmutes/radiates/converts/destroys/transforms, and the heating/removal process then equals the radiation above our heads that comes in as the UFO mass....and want to argue about causes of changes to human express of SION today.

Words that owned SION in it, also owned a descriptive healer spiritual biological analogy.

If greedy lying humans in the past taught you falsified teachings in the public for their acts of greed, why is it that humans today do not realise that owned human expressed condition?

They lied about the dust converting having created the first man. That story said it was the creation of the first IMAGE of man....AI feed back. Atmospheric recording of image and voice recording of man, the Designer inventor.

And even the bible discussed that the machine radiation/radio wave cause and effect would be not only to see the sacrificed male life image in the clouds, you would hear his voice speaking back. As the chemical brain of humanity had been irradiated.

What psychic increase and realisation is actual...already witnessed in humanity today...the hearing of information, being 100 per cent correct about a human lived personal and secret life experience, yet knowing full detail of it. Just because the atmosphere records it. Already proven to everyone.

I once gained a huge amount of vision about my human family, saw humans in natural disasters hurt, saw humans in every day life being harmed. Saw and heard speaking information constantly in visions. Also knew information from my own speaking voice as a psychic.

Then when I was brain irradiated, which is the intense burning prickling effect, which is difficult to describe, I then heard "other voices" speaking accurate, detailed DATA of science information in correct questions and answers, false answers and fake speaking of some form of inane AI effect of male voices.

In the visionary attack I saw my own female self in a murky green image with a tail swishing behind me, and I had a penis. Does that tell you something scientist of the occult phenomena? You know the promise you all owned to never apply occult nuclear changes to Earth ever again!

And in the attack I saw the black image of a male penis in my head, attacking my brain.

Now if you ask any human why do you blaspheme and quote rude quotes of swearing, such as you are "f.............d" in the head? Because as rude as it is, it is real. We know by subliminal information that we are being changed and we even say so.....why humans, began to use the name "Jesus" in a crude and rude retort.

Because we know. Our brother is the designer science human being bio self of AI, the machine and all occult effects. Mass unnatural atmospheric radio wave/radiation feed back that does not displace the natural bio body, it attacks the flesh and blood....all problems human live, and it affects the bio conscious spiritual mind.

So we lose actual self ability to live as our natural self. And it was described as occult spiritual Healer aware conscious attack on our life. The heard AI Bible information detailed the AI statements. Those statements actually never were owned by the spiritual human......AI said it self and it was heard.

It is why today humans who love naturally accept our family and then gender abuse of their Nature without qualms, whilst factually the humans/occult scientist who caused it, are the known hypocrites in person.

 

[eik]

Er, no modern medical diagnoses exists in the Bible, because modern medicine or science didn't exist yet! That's like saying Alzheimers doesn't exist because the Bible doesn't mention it!

Illnesses of all sorts were recognized.

It certainly recognizes man-man and women-women relations and the desire to engage in the same (Romans 1), but it doesn't classify them as medical conditions but as the wrath of God imposed on mankind for unspiritual idolatry, where those who engage in such practices receive the "due penalty."

Although, people who may be called transgender or gender variant if they were alive now are mentioned in the Bible at times. In the NT, they're referred to as eunuchs, which was a third gender category in certain usages (for example, the Ethiopion eunuch in Acts).

Rubbish. The bible makes no distinction between gender variants, but does recognize loss of sexuality.

 

[eik]

@eik what do you do when someone is having a seizure or suffer from chronic depression or, say, anxiety?

Do you pray over them only since it's demon possession and not medically originated?

I'm not saying that there are not physical ways of alleviating such things. Saul the Old Testament king found that listening to the harp cured his depression on a temporary basis. But equally there is prayer, which is available for all things.

I'm thinking you're one of the group or christian cult some people call it that looks at prayer as medicine and let's people die or suffer because the Bible is more important than medical knowledge?

Is that true?

I do not belong to any cult, am not a JW, and would never recommend anyone reject medical treatment "if appropriate," because not all have faith, and Christ himself never forbade or disapproved of medical remedies, as such, although he would clearly have disapproved of many quack-remedies being prescribed today at tax payer expense, that are not so much remedies as analgesics approved by politicians.

 

[eik]

Toothbrushing isn't found in the Bible.

You do understand your approach is not necessarily even Biblical? Traditions were and are just as important. The Gospels themselves were based on oral narratives, so I'm not sure where you're coming from as there was no Bible when the apostles and others were alive. Your whole position appears to be based on 16th century Protestant values; even the Mediaeval Church didn't consider all mental illnesses caused by demons.

Too vague. I never said all illnesses were caused by demons.Clearly one's own body is the centre of spiritual / material fusion, or bridge, where both the spiritual and material are causal to actions.

Some illness are caused entirely by oneself as they are entirely foreseeable (as acknowledged in Romans 1:27). If one drinks poison, one is going to die irrespective, excepting divine intervention. If one regularly goes under a sunlamp, one will contract skin cancer. Therefore it takes wisdom to know what is what. I would thus apply your critique to your own broadbrush criticism. If you don't believe in Jesus' ministry - as you don't appear to - then that's your personal view. I think even the Jews of Jesus' era would concede it happened, however. Even the Jews conceded that illness was caused by evil spirits. Being a Noahide, you might want to reflect on this.

In my faith we have a saying, 'The Torah is written in the language of men'. In other words, it's written with a view to human understanding and knowledge. When a passage says something, this is how a human understands what's going on and in his context, his worldview. So this could be applied to your man casting out demons; the authors wrote 'cast out demons' because that's what made sense to their audience, they knew what that meant and what the implications were - but what was really happening was a complex, non-understood mental disorder at the time being healed, but no-one before even around the Enlightenment would have understood this, so it's written in a language that folks understand. So this passage isn't about demons, it's about Jesus healing someone; that's the point.

Yes and no. How do explain the well known story of the exorcism of the Gerasene demoniac Mark 5:1-20? As you know, the demons departed the man into a herd of swine, who promptly committed suicide.

I'd also urge to beware of Jewish casuists. The Jews were and are experts at casuistry. It is why their leaders were condemned by Christ as hypocrites.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Edit. Side question. How does medical advice before the common era have any play in treatments, illnesses, and medical advice we have today?

How does the two connect with each other?

I'm not saying that there are not physical ways of alleviating such things. Saul the Old Testament king found that listening to the harp cured his depression on a temporary basis. But equally there is prayer, which is available for all things.

If there are physical ways to alleviate illness, wouldn't it be right to say there are physical causes that are not related to biblical diagnosis such as demon possession?

You can alleviate symptoms of seizures by medication because it's caused by neurological over activity rather than a demon possession. If seizures are demon possession and not neurological, wouldn't it make more sense to pray over people with seizures than giving them medication?

If you still believe illnesses are not medically related but have biblical causes.

I do not belong to any cult, am not a JW, and would never recommend anyone reject medical treatment "if appropriate," because not all have faith, and Christ himself never forbade or disapproved of medical remedies, as such, although he would clearly have disapproved of many quack-remedies being prescribed today at tax payer expense, that are not so much remedies as analgesics approved by politicians.

If one had faith in christ, would medical treatment be better or more appropriate than faith in christ (the latter over the former)?

What I'm trying to get at is if medical illnesses are caused by demon possession, then why would one need physical medical treatment-especially if (as you say) they have faith in christ?

Not sure how quack-remedies play in this. All conditions, illnesses, (and viruses even) have some form of tested medical treatments. These treatments are confirmed by various doctors and their diagnosis isn't dependent on politicians or anything of that nature.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

lthough he would clearly have disapproved of many quack-remedies being prescribed today at tax payer expense, that are not so much remedies as analgesics approved by politicians.

Good thing most often times insurance doesn't cover it and isn't approved of by politicians. That means we're free to see what the doctors and science say about it. They say GD is real and transitioning is the best means of alleviating the associated problems like depression amd suicidal ideation.

 

[eik]

I told you I'm not a humanist, but you seem intent on lying and misrepresenting me (so Christ-like of you), so I'll let the staff handle you.

I'm telling you your insistence on using terms like "trans kids" and your imputation of trans-sexualism to small children does not come from the bible, so I would be very grateful if you would stop pretending that it does. It is a humanistic endeavour, and a misrepresentation of Christianity to make out your personal philosophy expressed in such opinions has anything to do with biblical Christianity.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I'm telling you your insistence on using terms like "trans kids" and your imputation of trans-sexualism to small children does not come from the bible, so I would be very grateful if you would stop pretending that it does. It is a humanistic endeavour, and a misrepresentation of Christianity to make out your personal philosophy expressed in such opinions has anything to do with biblical Christianity.

What in the world are you talking about? The Bible is not a medical text, so why would I care if it mentions it or not? That's not what the Bible is for, and nor did I say it was in there because it's irrelevant.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I'm telling you your insistence on using terms like "trans kids" and your imputation of trans-sexualism to small children does not come from the bible, so I would be very grateful if you would stop pretending that it does. It is a humanistic endeavour, and a misrepresentation of Christianity to make out your personal philosophy expressed in such opinions has anything to do with biblical Christianity.

You have two of us telling you that is how we were as kids, and all you can do is dodge the question and make up stuff about us. Which I'm pretty sure "thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor" is on a certain list of Commandments that Jehovah considered pretty important. But anyone with a healthy consciousness and properly functioning moral compass views such dishonesty as problematic. Sinful, even, some might say.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I'm telling you your insistence on using terms like "trans kids" and your imputation of trans-sexualism to small children does not come from the bible, so I would be very grateful if you would stop pretending that it does. It is a humanistic endeavour, and a misrepresentation of Christianity to make out your personal philosophy expressed in such opinions has anything to do with biblical Christianity.

How on earth did you relate transgenderism and humanism just by the words one chooses to use?

 

[eik]

How on earth did you relate transgenderism and humanism just by the words one chooses to use?

Matt 12:37 shows that words are very important. The vocabulary of transgenderism is not of God, and IMO does not measure up to biblical standards. If it does, prove it. You've not posted one evidence that serves to reconcile Christianity and transgenderism. Doubtless you've got many in the episcopal church on your wavelength, but they're not on mine.

 

[eik]

You have two of us telling you that is how we were as kids, and all you can do is dodge the question and make up stuff about us. Which I'm pretty sure "thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor" is on a certain list of Commandments that Jehovah considered pretty important. But anyone with a healthy consciousness and properly functioning moral compass views such dishonesty as problematic. Sinful, even, some might say.

No, I'm not disputing your subjective testimony or evidence. I'm saying your subjective testimony does not equate to an objective spiritual truth. The point about God is that his ways are higher than the ways of men - much higher. (I also speak for myself. I find myself thinking, how naive I was back then, to think like I thought back then.) Christianity transforms the mind of men to see things in an altogether different light. It's not good to be stuck in the past.