Many many Chariot wheels found at bottom of Red sea.

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Gods own chosen scholars in Jesus day on earth were mislead. Satan beat them and they didn't even know it. The scholarship you describe aren't even close to what they were in Jesus day. They probably know little of God thus are ruled by satan and they don't even know it. Mortals have 0 choice in that matter. If they are not on the true Gods side then they belong to satan.
Be careful whose words you trust.

You keep demonstrating that you have nothing. That is not what a scholar is. You should just admit that you have never properly studied the Bible.

 

[servant1]

No, that has been the claim of doomsayers for thousands of years. You have no evidence. You have been given multiple chances and all that you can repeat is the same old same old.

The two horned beast and 7 headed beast had to be in place-Rev 13--they have been there since ww2, possibly ww1 counted.

 

[servant1]

You keep demonstrating that you have nothing. That is not what a scholar is. You should just admit that you have never properly studied the Bible.

I have studied much more than just the bible. My words are facts.

 

[servant1]

You are describing belief not knowledge

You are wrong-God reveals himself to those who love him and put him first.

 

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I have studied much more than just the bible. My words are facts.

No, if your words were facts you could support them. You have not been able to do so rationally.

Can you answer one simple question: Does God lie?

 

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The two horned beast and 7 headed beast had to be in place-Rev 13--they have been there since ww2, possibly ww1 counted.

Trump does not have two horns nor does he have seven heads.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

No, as your own posts have shown in the past, there have been claims of support but most failed rather badly when one looked deeper into those claims.

I know you have a need to believe this.
However, when evidence has been discovered, it’s exactly the opposite ….the Bible has been verified.

For example, according to the Bible, the last ruler of Babylon was Belshazzar, before it fell to the Persians. Although other than the Bible, no mention of Belshazzar could be found. So of course, the naysayers (which is the majority as expected) claimed the Bible was wrong; this Belshazzar never lived. But then, in the 19th century in what is now southern Iraq, archeologists discovered some small cuneiform cylinders in ancient ruins . Among other things, they included a prayer for the health of the son of Nabonidus — Belshazzar.

I can present much more evidence vindicating the Bible’s historicity, but I’ll just post the following comment:

David Noel Freedman, Professor of Near East Studies at U. of Michigan…

Freedman, David Noel (1922-2008), 1932-1983 - University of Michigan Bentley Historical Library - University of Michigan Finding Aids

findingaids.lib.umich.edu

….stated: “In general, however, archaeology has tended to support the historical validity of the biblical narrative. The broad chronological outline from the patriarchs to N[ew] T[estament] times correlates with archaeological data. . . . Future discoveries are likely to sustain the present moderate position that the biblical tradition is historically rooted, and faithfully transmitted, though it is not history in the critical or scientific sense.”

And there’s much more that will be found.

You knew that most of your claims have been refuted, right?

Counter arguments are not refutations. I keep informing you of that. I guess you keep closing your eyes.

How about the ten year difference in birth dates of Jesus between Luke and Matthew?

Reference source, please. (This is a new one, to me.) Is this source biased or objective?

LOL! When you refer to a failed scientist and liar you are not helping yourself.

Last I heard, he’s still a Professor.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

It would seem that those that unearth such evidence find the evidence they want to find. Take for example the Exodus, most recent scholarship maintains that no such event occurred, at least not on the scale described in the Bible.

Saying “no such event occurred”
is different than “…at least not on the scale described in the Bible.”

So which is it?

Did you know there was a Pharaoh Jacob-Baal?
Since “Jacob” is definitely Hebrew, how could such an influence become so profound?

There are many other evidences that provide for a Hebrew influence in ancient Egypt.

Whereas in the past just the opposite was found.

What opposite?

 

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I know you have a need to believe this.
However, when evidence has been discovered, it’s exactly the opposite ….the Bible has been verified.

For example, according to the Bible, the last ruler of Babylon was Belshazzar, before it fell to the Persians. Although other than the Bible, no mention of Belshazzar could be found. So of course, the naysayers (which is the majority as expected) claimed the Bible was wrong; this Belshazzar never lived. But then, in the 19th century in what is now southern Iraq, archeologists discovered some small cuneiform cylinders in ancient ruins . Among other things, they included a prayer for the health of the son of Nabonidus — Belshazzar.

I can present much more evidence vindicating the Bible’s historicity, but I’ll just post the following comment:

David Noel Freedman, Professor of Near East Studies at U. of Michigan…

Freedman, David Noel (1922-2008), 1932-1983 - University of Michigan Bentley Historical Library - University of Michigan Finding Aids

findingaids.lib.umich.edu

….stated: “In general, however, archaeology has tended to support the historical validity of the biblical narrative. The broad chronological outline from the patriarchs to N[ew] T[estament] times correlates with archaeological data. . . . Future discoveries are likely to sustain the present moderate position that the biblical tradition is historically rooted, and faithfully transmitted, though it is not history in the critical or scientific sense.”

And there’s much more that will be found.


Counter arguments are not refutations. I keep informing you of that. I guess you keep closing your eyes.

Reference source, please. (This is a new one, to me.) Is this source biased or objective?

Last I heard, he’s still a Professor.

Dude, no one said all of it was wrong. And of course they got Belshazzar right. That was during the Babylonian captivity. In case you forgot that was the time period when the Pentateuch was written. That was rather recent. It is the older history that is often supported by frauds. Two recent ones that you should remember were the Cursing Tablet, and the supposed comet strike of Sodom.

And I am surprised that you do not know of the ten year difference. What year do you favor for the birth of Jesus and why?

And yes. Behe has tenure. That makes him almost impossible to fire. But he still is a failed scientist.

 

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Saying “no such event occurred”
is different than “…at least not on the scale described in the Bible.”

So which is it?

Did you know there was a Pharaoh Jacob-Baal?
Since “Jacob” is definitely Hebrew, how could such an influence become so profound?

There are many other evidences that provide for a Hebrew influence in ancient Egypt.



What opposite?

No, the "Jacob-baal claim is not legitimate. This one is easily refuted:

Yaqub-Har - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

"Popular speculation
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In Exodus Decoded, filmmaker Simcha Jacobovici suggested that Yaqub-Har was the Patriarch Jacob, on the basis of a signet ring found in the Hyksos capital Avaris that read "Yakov/Yakub" (from Yaqub-her), similar to the Hebrew name of the Biblical patriarch Jacob (Ya'aqov). Jacobovici ignores the fact that Yaqub-Har is a well-attested pharaoh of the Second Intermediate Period; and Yakov and its variants are common Semitic names from the period. Furthermore, Jacobovici provides no explanation as to why Joseph would have a signet ring with the name of his father Jacob.[9]"

 

[Hockeycowboy]

That was during the Babylonian captivity. In case you forgot that was the time period when the Pentateuch was written.

No, the silver scrolls testify to the Pentateuch existing before Belshazzar; in fact, before the deportation.

In case you forgot.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

No, the "Jacob-baal claim is not legitimate. This one is easily refuted:

Yaqub-Har - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

"Popular speculation
edit
In Exodus Decoded, filmmaker Simcha Jacobovici suggested that Yaqub-Har was the Patriarch Jacob, on the basis of a signet ring found in the Hyksos capital Avaris that read "Yakov/Yakub" (from Yaqub-her), similar to the Hebrew name of the Biblical patriarch Jacob (Ya'aqov). Jacobovici ignores the fact that Yaqub-Har is a well-attested pharaoh of the Second Intermediate Period; and Yakov and its variants are common Semitic names from the period. Furthermore, Jacobovici provides no explanation as to why Joseph would have a signet ring with the name of his father Jacob.[9]"

You misunderstand… I was not claiming that Jacob-Baal was the Joseph… or his father Jacob. Never said that.

But the Hebrew influence is revealed by that name. At the highest level.

 

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You misunderstand… I was not claiming that Jacob-Baal was the Joseph… or his father Jacob. Never said that.

But the Hebrew influence is revealed by that name. At the highest level.

Not at all. You either did not read or did not understand the linked article. The name is not a Hebrew name. It is a Semite name. Or in other words it is a rather generic name for all sorts of languages of Western Asia down to the Horn of Africa. It was not just a Hebrew name. There doesn't appear to be any good reason to assume that it was Hebraic

 

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No, the silver scrolls testify to the Pentateuch existing before Belshazzar; in fact, before the deportation.

In case you forgot.

No, they do not. You were already corrected on this. You seem to be the one that forgot. @shunyadragon went over this in detail with you.

 

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No, the silver scrolls testify to the Pentateuch existing before Belshazzar; in fact, before the deportation.

In case you forgot.

And you seem to have forgotten the two birth year problems of Luke and Matthew. Here is the challenge you need to meet. This is a historical problem, and to refute it you need historians. Not Liars for Jesus. If you use those you will have failed. Matthew has the birth in 4 BCE or earlier. Luke's badly scrambled nativity myth has it in 6 CE. That is a difference of at least ten years.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

And you seem to have forgotten the two birth year problems of Luke and Matthew. Here is the challenge you need to meet. This is a historical problem, and to refute it you need historians. Not Liars for Jesus. If you use those you will have failed. Matthew has the birth in 4 BCE or earlier. Luke's badly scrambled nativity myth has it in 6 CE. That is a difference of at least ten years.

Like I said, you talk w/o referencing any source.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

No, they do not. You were already corrected on this. You seem to be the one that forgot. @shunyadragon went over this in detail with you.

I corrected him.

 

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Like I said, you talk w/o referencing any source.

The gospels themselves are the ultimate source. Haven't you ever read them?

 

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I corrected him.

You have that backwards.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

Not at all. You either did not read or did not understand the linked article. The name is not a Hebrew name. It is a Semite name. Or in other words it is a rather generic name for all sorts of languages of Western Asia down to the Horn of Africa. It was not just a Hebrew name. There doesn't appear to be any good reason to assume that it was Hebraic

Jacob is Semitic . He was a descendant of Shem. Specifically, it’s a Hebrew name! Learn what Jacob means… you’ll see it’s unique.

Horn of Africa lol.