Many many Chariot wheels found at bottom of Red sea.

[shunyadragon]

Why can't we all just agree to disagree please?

. . . because we would no longer be a diverse forum with many conflicting views. On top of that your vies are too extreme to me to agree to disagree,
If we did that we would also all go to the sample temple, and debate only fine points splitting frog hairs. and agree to disagree.

 

[shunyadragon]

I admitted the red sea footage was error. But archeologists dug many sights proving the bible stories of them were truth.

This claim goes far beyond any known academic evidence of the Middle East ancient history You have failed to present any evidence documenting these claims of "proof." . None have been documented.

 

[shunyadragon]

I am sorry I got a little sidetracked, evidence for what?

The existence of God.

 

[Tomef]

I just watched a video showing they found encrusted chariot wheels stretching from Nuwerba beach to the Saudi arabian side of red sea=Proof the exodus occurred.
I always thought they should be able to find some proof.

The ancient world equivalent of shopping trolleys.

 

[servant1]

None of the gospels were eyewitnesses. Arguably Peter was an eye witness. And only 1 Peter

Oh i did err, only Mark and John were eyewitnesses--thus you erred as well. Nice to teach each other truth.

 

[servant1]

There are dozens of gospels, but even the four chosen for inclusion by early church leaders do not quite match. None are signed, and the first editions published were unattributed. The evangelists' names were added later, probably to add credibility. All four were written several generations after the fact.
No eyewitness to Jesus are known. The information we have are the various, apocryphal gospel stories, and narratives like Josephus', written about the Christians and their beliefs.

Only Mark and John were actual eyewitnesses.
I am confident God put his 66 books together how he wants them.

 

[ppp]

Oh i did err, only Mark and John were eyewitnesses--thus you erred as well. Nice to teach each other truth.

Neither the Gospel of Mark nor the Gospel of John claim to be eyewitness accounts. It is the consensus on NT scholars (both Christian and non-Christian) that neither Mark nor John were written by the Disciples to whom the names are attached.

 

[servant1]

Neither the Gospel of Mark nor the Gospel of John claim to be eyewitness accounts. It is the consensus on NT scholars (both Christian and non-Christian) that neither Mark nor John were written by the Disciples to whom the names are attached.

I just googled it. Mark and John were both eyewitnesses.

 

[ppp]

I just googled it. Mark and John were both eyewitnesses.

The body of scholars who study this topic professionally will always surmount your googling.

 

[servant1]

The body of scholars who study this topic professionally will always surmount your googling.

And God will surmount them and prove their errors.

 

[ppp]

And God will surmount them and prove their errors.

The body of scholars who study this topic professionally will always surmount your googling and your god claims.

 

[Valjean]

Only Mark and John were actual eyewitnesses.
I am confident God put his 66 books together how he wants them.

We don't even know who wrote Mark and John; and what makes you think they were eyewitnesses when Bible scholars don't?

On what objective, factual evidence do you base your confidence that the 66 Bible books are those approved of by God? Is your confidence even evidence-based?
Biblical configuration has changed over the centuries, has it not? The present configurations, except perhaps Revelation, were voted on by various sects in power at the time.

 

[Valjean]

And God will surmount them and prove their errors.

We've been waiting 2,000 years, through endless wars and religious disputes, for God to make things clear. Why the delay?

I just googled it. Mark and John were both eyewitnesses.

Source? Evidence?

 

[WonderingWorrier]

Jesus and the Apostles quote the Old Testament quite a bit.

Do you think they speak of the Old Testament words bread and wine or not?

As in the bread, oil, and wine:
"And wine that maketh glad the heart of man, and oil to make his face to shine, and bread which strengtheneth man's heart". Psalm

"And he will take your fields, and your vineyards, and your oliveyards, even the best of them, and give them to his servants". Samuel.

"Until I come and take you away to a land like your own land, a land of corn and wine, a land of bread and vineyards, a land of oil olive" Kings.

Do you agree the above Old Testament verses have the words bread and wine together as part of a set?

A specific set of unheard words:
"And the earth shall hear the corn, and the wine, and the oil; and they shall hear Jezreel". Hosea.

The Corn (Grain) is as the Bread in the set, as the Olive is as the Oil in the set, and the Grape is as the Wine in the set:

Bread - Oil - Wine
Corn - Olive - Grape
Field - Oliveyard - Vineyard


Just like the Sea, River, and Stream are as a set:
"And the Lord shall utterly destroy the tongue of the Egyptian sea; and with his mighty wind shall he shake his hand over the river, and shall smite it in the seven streams, and make men go over dryshod". Isaiah.

Do you agree, or not?

Edit:
When the tongue of man is destroyed anything is possible. Look down through these sets of words in bold:

Bread - Oil - Wine
Corn - Olive - Grape
Field - Oliveyard - Vineyard
Red - Purple - Blue
Sea - River - Stream

There is a clear way through the Red Sea, as if it was a Corn Field.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Only Mark and John were actual eyewitnesses.
I am confident God put his 66 books together how he wants them.

No, people that actually study the Bibles can show that that is not the case.

 

[servant1]

The body of scholars who study this topic professionally will always surmount your googling and your god claims.

We shall see. Did you notice in Jesus days on earth. Gods chosen scholars were in darkness. Misleading all listening to them to not enter Gods kingdom.

 

[servant1]

We don't even know who wrote Mark and John; and what makes you think they were eyewitnesses when Bible scholars don't?

On what objective, factual evidence do you base your confidence that the 66 Bible books are those approved of by God? Is your confidence even evidence-based?
Biblical configuration has changed over the centuries, has it not? The present configurations, except perhaps Revelation, were voted on by various sects in power at the time.

I have something better than evidence from men. I have faith in God.

 

[servant1]

We've been waiting 2,000 years, through endless wars and religious disputes, for God to make things clear. Why the delay?

Source? Evidence?

We are at the last days of the last days. It won't be much longer.

 

[servant1]

No, people that actually study the Bibles can show that that is not the case.

You can't prove who wrote those books.

 

[ppp]

We shall see

"You will rue the day!" [waggles finger ominously]
*cue thunder clap*