But you forgot above, below, and through. And teleportation.
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Many Paths???
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But you forgot above, below, and through. And teleportation.
High road and low road too.But you forgot above, below, and through. And teleportation.
That only applies to people who are born fully realised such as Krishna or Shiva. Ordinary folk however need guide lines and guidance to follow the path. Having a good experience is nice, but in itself has nothing to do with systematic spiritual growth or expansion. It all depends on your goal in life and how serious you take that goal.
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mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
In one sense, there is no ultimate truth test, because lack of positive evidence, is not positive evidence of lack. Rather in practice for the apparent everyday world we share, it is simple. We can all get away with making different subjective sense of everyday world, so there is no strong need for the ultimate truth.
rocala
Well-Known Member
Most perhaps all religions do not confine themselves to just our human existence. That is what the question is about.
Road Less Traveled
Active Member
Strangely, I have to agree with you. Anyone can speak eloquently in saying a bunch of futile wise, spiritually, fluffy, right sounding words in order to be perceived as wise, good, and a master guru that should be followed. While most have no clue as to what is meant and just blindly follow. Good tool to coerce and deceive.
Not that I think that were the writers intent, but many that do this are wolves with ulterior motives.
If someone knows the game, meanings, and themselves better than another: easy prey.
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sealchan
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I think that the answer becomes clear only when one becomes certain of the nature of the ultimate truth. So what is or what is the nature of the ultimate truth? Can we talk of it without agreeing as to what it is or what it is like?
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
When you ask a question, you should be prepared to accept that there is no positive answer. It is the same in philosophy BTW.
Philosophy, (from Greek, by way of Latin, philosophia, “love of wisdom”) the rational, abstract, and methodical consideration of reality as a whole or of fundamental dimensions of human existence and experience.
philosophy | Definition, Systems, Fields, Schools, & Biographies
The first - reality as a whole can't be answered in a positive. In practice reality is how reality is to humans and thus we end up with the second. The problem is even then that the rational, abstract, and methodical consideration of fundamental dimensions of human existence and experience can't be done in this manner, because rationality has a limit.
Yep.Infinite ways to get to the one truth but one must be willing to step off the Path to realize the Way, the Truth, and the Light flows through everything
love of self, or love of other as self, is not unique to any one religion, path.
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sealchan
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That sounds like revelation or spiritual rebirth. IMO that would be an experience of truth that is fundamentally a subjective one where the individual achieves an ultimate truth for themselves which may or may not have value for others. But so long as it is long lasting...
We just need to make a list of such truths and see what they have in common.
rocala
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@mikkel_the_dane Thanks but I know what philosophy is. It is in the dictionary along with patronizing.
The quote that you posted makes it clear that part of the question refers in part to the non-human existence accepted by most religions. Therefore
" the rational, abstract, and methodical consideration of fundamental dimensions of human existence and experience can't be done in this manner" is irrelevant.
The quote that you posted makes it clear that part of the question refers in part to the non-human existence accepted by most religions. Therefore
" the rational, abstract, and methodical consideration of fundamental dimensions of human existence and experience can't be done in this manner" is irrelevant.
Spartan
Well-Known Member
"Thus, to disprove Christianity one would only need to show Christ was never raised from the dead. Some years ago a skeptic of Christianity named Josh McDowell set out to do precisely this. He wanted to write a book that would refute Christianity. In his book Evidence that Demands a Verdict he writes,
"After more than 700 hrs of studying this subject, and thoroughly investigating its foundation, I have come to the conclusion that the resurrection of Jesus Christ is one the most wicked, vicious, heartless hoaxes ever foisted upon the minds of men, or it is the most fantastic fact of history."
As a skeptic of Christianity Josh McDowell not only found the evidence for Christ's resurrection from the dead compelling, but himself became a follower of Jesus Christ."
Do All Paths Lead to the Same Destination?
THE RESURRECTION - That's the key.
"The Historical Jesus," by scholar Dr. Gary Habermas;
The Historical Jesus of the Gospels, by Dr. Craig Keener
"New Evidence that Demands a Verdict," by former skeptic Josh McDowell;
"The Case for Christ," by Lee Strobel," and
"The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus," by scholar Dr. Gary Habermas.
"After more than 700 hrs of studying this subject, and thoroughly investigating its foundation, I have come to the conclusion that the resurrection of Jesus Christ is one the most wicked, vicious, heartless hoaxes ever foisted upon the minds of men, or it is the most fantastic fact of history."
As a skeptic of Christianity Josh McDowell not only found the evidence for Christ's resurrection from the dead compelling, but himself became a follower of Jesus Christ."
Do All Paths Lead to the Same Destination?
THE RESURRECTION - That's the key.
"The Historical Jesus," by scholar Dr. Gary Habermas;
The Historical Jesus of the Gospels, by Dr. Craig Keener
"New Evidence that Demands a Verdict," by former skeptic Josh McDowell;
"The Case for Christ," by Lee Strobel," and
"The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus," by scholar Dr. Gary Habermas.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
That someone are certain tell us nothing. I am certain that certainty is not in itself and I am as certain as someone is certain of the nature of the ultimate truth
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
No, it is irrelevant to you. But not to me. So the problem we face is this.
You claim religion can do it. I claim, that it is irrelevant to some humans, because they look differently. You claim that is irrelevant for; what all humans or some humans, who use religion?
Do you claim that religion can judge humans, if yes, then how?
How can a human know the non-human existence? That is a contradiction in terms. You can believe in it, but does that mean that you know better?
BTW some humans use science and/or philosophy and not religion to make claims about the non-human existence. What about them? All claims about the non-human existence are not only religious.
sealchan
Well-Known Member
It depends on what you think Jesus is...if you think he was a man who literally was God's only Son and therefore is the one and only gateway to ultimate truth then IMO that raises more questions than it answers.
If, however, Jesus is simply a proxy for our own ultimate experience then he would simply be saying...to live your life as I have lived mine in the spirit of impoverishment of spirit, in humble mercy to others, etc...is the only way to experience salvation then we might be on to something.
rocala
Well-Known Member
I have claimed nothing. I have asked questions about the teachings of religions. Try reading instead of assuming.
sealchan
Well-Known Member
I suspect that if there is an ultimate truth that it is close to what you are saying here.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Okay, I point out that it is not only religions, which teach about the non-human existence. So if you limit your question you might overlook something.
sealchan
Well-Known Member
How about if that subjective sense brings one to a deep long lasting contentment that does not trouble ones self to spread it's own importance to others?
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Thanks.