"March for Science protests ramp up around the globe"

[shmogie]

March for Science protests ramp up around the globe

It is very timely to march for science. Right? Please
The world is in dangerous political hands.
Regards

Here we go. We are 20 trillion in debt, and everybody wants money no matter what the debt. So, the "march for science" in the US is in actuality to keep spending huge amounts of money on the NIH, which has significant overlap with numerous other agencies, and the EPA, founded by a Republican President, which has far, far exceeded it's original mandate, and has become a bloated agency mandating itself into every aspect of American life. We simply cannot keep borrowing money ( interest, a billion a day) to do everything everybody wants, it is a suicidal path. The primary purpose of the executive branch is to protect Americans and maintain a strong defense. The last Administration totally ignored this responsibility, and while running up dept higher than all previous presidents, combined, allowed the military to deteriorate dangerously, this must be corrected. What do you do when your household budget isn't covering your bills, keep borrowing with no way in sight to pay off the loans, or prioritize what is important , and cut your spending ? Everybody cannot have everything. It is totally reasonable and prudent to make cuts where they can be made, to achieve the primary responsibility. For other nations, who cares what you do ? It is your money and your priorities.

 

[shmogie]

lol. That's rich. The protests could not make more sense, as the President denies science all the time, painting scientific theories as gibberish created by the Chinese.

The Vice President doesn't even believe in evolution.

Good for the Vice President

 

[leibowde84]

It reminds me of Alex Jones, he picks up the ball to drop it. Same with Michael Moore, etc. You bury the conspiracy theory by attaching something as ludicrous as the Chinese did it. It sinks the whole ship.

I mean, a lot of people agree with Trump. Problem is, they are all extremely stubborn and wrong. There is an overwhelming amount of evidence confirming man-made climate change. The "evidence" against it is purely circumstantial and based on some widespread conspiracy. I think that science has to be left to the experts.

 

[leibowde84]

Good for the Vice President

No, that's bad. There isn't any evidence that contradicts the theory of evolution, yet there is a plethora of evidence confirming it.

 

[shmogie]

Not really surprising though. He thinks the Chinese invented it to hurt American business. He surrounds himself with conspiracy theorists and alt right nutjobs.

What a crock of BS, First, I doubt you even know what the alt- right is. Second, you condemn the cabinet by labeling them conspiracy theorists and nut jobs. I suspect you don't even know who they are or their credentials. You sound like another generalizing whining liberal who just can't believe that your precious democrat party has lost the house, senate and presidency, most governorships, most state legislatures. People are sick of whining liberal democrats, because they are liberal whining democrats.

 

[shmogie]

I mean, a lot of people agree with Trump. Problem is, they are all extremely stubborn and wrong. There is an overwhelming amount of evidence confirming man-made climate change. The "evidence" against it is purely circumstantial and based on some widespread conspiracy. I think that science has to be left to the experts.

Really ? Your scientific evidence of bogus studies, suppression of counter evidence, and ignoring the 30,000 plus scientists who are involved in the science petition project demanding the re evaluation of the entire concept of man made climate change ? Circumstantial evidence is as good as, or sometimes better than other forms of evidence. "Science " in the 70's was warning of a coming ice age, the exhaustion of the worlds oil by year 2000, and people dying in the millions regularly by starvation because of the inability of the world to produce even a percentage of the worlds required food in the early 2,000's. Total, complete, abysmal failures, yet you and others adopt the attitude that "science" is the most reliable and always correct oracle of what is to be. That ultimate "scientist" of the man made weather change bandwagon, Al Gore, predicted that Manhattan would be two feet under water by now.

The weather is changing, it always has, ice ages, drought and rising temperatures existed long before the industrial revolution. Man may be contributing to it, but regardless of the propaganda, this is far from proven. Even if it is true, what can be done about it, and is it worth destroying economies and quality of life to reduce the mean temperature by a degree ? No answers to these questions, just hysterical predictions that the sky is falling. I doubt that it is, and I need much more than informed guesses to convince me that it is.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

The funny thing is that the protest crowd appears way more dignified than any of the redneck trainwrecks that were trump rallies, not to mention that every scientist ever (including Dawkins) the world over agrees with their message. And when it comes to science, I'll trust the actual scientists over slackjaw backwater yokels anyday.

I'll trust the science over the 'scientists' any day

 

[shmogie]

No, that's bad. There isn't any evidence that contradicts the theory of evolution, yet there is a plethora of evidence confirming it.

What possible difference does his belief make to anything ? YOU believe it, to you that "plethora" exists. Many don't. Including prominent physicists, bio chemists, biologists, cosmologists, geneticists, and others.

 

[leibowde84]

What a crock of BS, First, I doubt you even know what the alt- right is. Second, you condemn the cabinet by labeling them conspiracy theorists and nut jobs. I suspect you don't even know who they are or their credentials. You sound like another generalizing whining liberal who just can't believe that your precious democrat party has lost the house, senate and presidency, most governorships, most state legislatures. People are sick of whining liberal democrats, because they are liberal whining democrats.

Nope. You obviously have no idea where I am coming from. This post makes that crystal clear.

I do know what the alt-right is. They are the ones who think that we are losing our "American culture". They are nationalist and protectionist. All of these things are terrible positions, imho. The American culture has and will continue to change consistently. And, I wouldn't want it any other way. More diversity of culture, race, sexual orientation, etc. is always a good thing. And, nationalism/protectionism are extremely dangerous ideals that have always failed in the past.

Also, my hatred for Trump and his cronies has nothing at all to do with him claiming to be a republican. I hate the guy because he is the most dishonest politician I've seen in my lifetime (and that is really saying something, as all politicians are pretty dishonest). He is a slumlord kind of businessman who has been dishonest in his business dealings, cheating those he does business with all the time. And, personally he is a terrible example for children (and adults too).

Trump is a bully, name-calling, thin-skinned, egotistical, ignorant person who has no ideals, holding loyalty as the most important characteristic for anyone working for him. I don't like his for these reasons.

 

[leibowde84]

Including prominent physicists, bio chemists, biologists, cosmologists, geneticists, and others.

What "prominent" scientists don't believe in the theory of evolution?

 

[leibowde84]

What possible difference does his belief make to anything ? YOU believe it, to you that "plethora" exists. Many don't. Including prominent physicists, bio chemists, biologists, cosmologists, geneticists, and others.

It shows he has very bad judgment. And, it seems to show that he puts faith above reason.

 

[shmogie]

It shows he has very bad judgment. And, it seems to show that he puts faith above reason.

It shows he has very bad judgment. And, it seems to show that he puts faith above reason.

Reason and faith go hand in hand. So, anyone who doesn't agree with you shows bad judgement ? Goodness, that's what hitler, stalin ans mao said too !

 

[paarsurrey]

Your never ending threads aimed at debasing science suggest you have an issue.

I don't debase science. It is beneficial in human activities in the physical and material realms. I always say that. Is it debasing science?
Regards

 

[shmogie]

What "prominent" scientists don't believe in the theory of evolution?

Many aren't macro evolutionists. I hate the term " you people ", but you people are so smug and arrogant, comfortably housed in your self validating bubble, you refuse to see and acknowledge that other well qualified and very intelligent people, aren't part of you people. After all, regardless of qualifications, they just can't be taken seriously, right ? You are the final arbiter of truth

 

[paarsurrey]

I'll trust the science over the 'scientists' any day

That is one supposed to think and to do always.
Regards

 

[leibowde84]

Reason and faith go hand in hand. So, anyone who doesn't agree with you shows bad judgement ? Goodness, that's what hitler, stalin ans mao said too !

Nice strawman. I said that it shows he is putting faith above reason. Also, Hitler, Stalin and Mao never said that. If I'm wrong, please provide the quotes.

Btw, what do you mean by faith and reason going hand in hand?

 

[leibowde84]

Many aren't macro evolutionists. I hate the term " you people ", but you people are so smug and arrogant, comfortably housed in your self validating bubble, you refuse to see and acknowledge that other well qualified and very intelligent people, aren't part of you people. After all, regardless of qualifications, they just can't be taken seriously, right ? You are the final arbiter of truth

Wow, that was intense. So, can you provide the names of the "prominent scientists" that don't believe in the theory of evolution?

 

[shmogie]

Wow, that was intense. So, can you provide the names of the "prominent scientists" that don't believe in the theory of evolution?

Of course, but I won't. If you are interested, you can find them. I've played this game before with evolutionists, and the game goes like this, I name ten, they want twenty five, I name twenty five, they want fifty and on it goes till we switch to another game, education, then to institutions, then to peer reviewed articles, .............................., I don't have the time to play the game, If you don't want to research it yourself, then take my word on it, or not, it makes not one whit of difference to me. But they exist in most science faculties of most universities

 

[shmogie]

Nice strawman. I said that it shows he is putting faith above reason. Also, Hitler, Stalin and Mao never said that. If I'm wrong, please provide the quotes.

Btw, what do you mean by faith and reason going hand in hand?

They never said what ? If you disagree with me you show bad judgement, you think not ? They murdered thousands and thousands who disagreed with them, you don't think they considered the temerity of those whom they killed for disagreeing the exercise of poor judgement ? Reason and logical thinking leads to faith. For some it is religion, for others it is the fairty tale of abiogenesis, it's all based on faith

 

[shmogie]

Nope. You obviously have no idea where I am coming from. This post makes that crystal clear.

I do know what the alt-right is. They are the ones who think that we are losing our "American culture". They are nationalist and protectionist. All of these things are terrible positions, imho. The American culture has and will continue to change consistently. And, I wouldn't want it any other way. More diversity of culture, race, sexual orientation, etc. is always a good thing. And, nationalism/protectionism are extremely dangerous ideals that have always failed in the past.

Also, my hatred for Trump and his cronies has nothing at all to do with him claiming to be a republican. I hate the guy because he is the most dishonest politician I've seen in my lifetime (and that is really saying something, as all politicians are pretty dishonest). He is a slumlord kind of businessman who has been dishonest in his business dealings, cheating those he does business with all the time. And, personally he is a terrible example for children (and adults too).

Trump is a bully, name-calling, thin-skinned, egotistical, ignorant person who has no ideals, holding loyalty as the most important characteristic for anyone working for him. I don't like his for these reasons.

Let me give you the benefit of some research on the alt-right, as I suspected, you don't know much about them. They are primarily young white males, loosely connected by the internet, which constitutes their major method of communication and promotion. They are racist, reactionary neo nazi's who don't care about American culture, only what they think it should be. They are anti women in that they view women as having the purpose of home maker, mothers who should stay in the home. They believe strongly that women should not be able to seek careers outside the home. I consider them and their idea's inherently evil. Diversity is fine, provided no single group is scapegoated or persecuted. Nationalism is perfectly fine, and I am not sure what you mean by protectionism. Trump is not a Republican, and I was a charter member of the Republican never trump movement. Whatever you or I think about him, our fellow citizens elected him as President. He actually has surrounded himself with some well qualified people. I find it interesting that you view him as the most dishonest politician you have ever seen. I find hillary clinton to be the bearer of that honor, with trump a distant second. Neither of the two who ran were role models for anyone in my opinion. Chronic liars, greedy, power mad, unprincipled. I do support some of Trumps ideas though, fiscal responsibility and accountability, lower taxes, a strong military, strong border security, deportation of criminal illegals, and dismantling the federal government to it's primary function and returning power to the states to be more responsive to their citizens. I am glad of his supreme court choice and hope he does as well with future ones. A judges role is to address the law as written, not create new law by faulty and activist opinions.