Marie Yavanovitch Testimony

[Jose Fly]

The claim as in why Biden was going to withhold foreign funding. I asked for evidence of Biden's actions were on the behalf of those group not that those group supported his action after the fact. There is a difference.

And I provided that.

You mean the statement that actions by Trump compared to that of Biden were "not the same"

Republicans never dropped that point really.

Once again, thanks for your time.

 

[Shad]

And I provided that.

No you didn't.

Once again, thanks for your time.

Why are you not answering my question? I wanted a reference so I could read it.

 

[Jose Fly]

No you didn't.

Why are you not answering my question? I wanted a reference so I could read it.

One more time, and then I'm done with this.

Apparently Republican Senators were in on it!

Donald Trump is digging his own grave

If after all that, you're still of the mind that there's no evidence that J. Biden was acting in concert with the international community and official US foreign policy, then there is no point in continuing.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

One more time, and then I'm done with this.

Apparently Republican Senators were in on it!

Donald Trump is digging his own grave

If after all that, you're still of the mind that there's no evidence that J. Biden was acting in concert with the international community and official US foreign policy, then there is no point in continuing.

Agreed.

The other thing I've noticed, especially in today's testimony, is that the Democrats are focussing on substance (who said/did what, when), while the Republicans are focussing on impugning the witnesses themselves, while basically ignoring substance. This is very telling...

 

[Shad]

One more time, and then I'm done with this.

Apparently Republican Senators were in on it!

It says nothing about the official in question. You are assuming a reference never made and support of an act that occurred later.

Donald Trump is digging his own grave

If after all that, you're still of the mind that there's no evidence that J. Biden was acting in concert with the international community and official US foreign policy, then there is no point in continuing.

Supporting the action after the fact is not supporting an action to be taken. Do you have anything from an organization requesting the US to take the specific action of firing the official by the action Biden took? Namely withholding aid for the removal of office?

 

[Jose Fly]

Agreed.

The other thing I've noticed, especially in today's testimony, is that the Democrats are focussing on substance (who said/did what, when), while the Republicans are focussing on impugning the witnesses themselves, while basically ignoring substance. This is very telling...

Yup. They seem quite proud of themselves too. I wonder how such personal attacks against someone like Vindman play with people who are still undecided on this?

 

[Jose Fly]

It says nothing about the official in question. You are assuming a reference never made and support of an act that occurred later.

The letter specifically called for reforms in the prosecutor's office. And when VP Biden engineered the ouster of the prosecutor, not one Republican or anyone else in the US gov't objected or even complained.

Supporting the action after the fact is not supporting an action to be taken.

Oh for......are you serious?

Supporting an action after it's happened is not supporting the action? Once again, the stupidity of your arguments is astounding.

Do you have anything from an organization requesting the US to take the specific action of firing the official by the action Biden took? Namely withholding aid for the removal of office?

I'm not playing your stupid little game. Every time I meet your latest demands, you just demand something else. If you want to stick to the clearly false GOP alternative reality, be my guest.

 

[Shad]

The letter specifically called for reforms in the prosecutor's office. And when VP Biden engineered the ouster of the prosecutor, not one Republican or anyone else in the US gov't objected or even complained.

You are changing reform to mean what you want it to mean.

Oh for......are you serious?

That is what I requested in the first place. Support for Bidens to take action not support after the fact.

Supporting an action after it's happened is not supporting the action? Once again, the stupidity of your arguments is astounding.

There is a difference. If I support taking an action it means I have knowledge of it prior to the act being made. Supporting it after the fact does not indicate that knowledge

I'm not playing your stupid little game. Every time I meet your latest demands, you just demand something else. If you want to stick to the clearly false GOP alternative reality, be my guest.

You are making claims. There is no reason why I can not ask for evidence. You have conflated my point about support. Hence why I request evidence of the point I am talking about not the point you want to talk about. As per the above there are different types of support. Prior-action support and post-action support.

Groups wanting him gone is not the same as supporting a specific act to remove him.

 

[Prometheus85]

She did have knowledge just not much. She knew the WH wanted to refer questions about both to the WH. That is still knowledge. Just nothing big. The point is not her messing up. The point is the WH told her what to say about specific questions. The WH had the issue.

You see what your doing is called logic chopping, which is focusing on trivial details instead of directly addressing the main issue in dispute which is Marie Yovanovitch being Prepped to say "Ask the Bidens" about the Bidens clearly a massive conspiracy there.

I never claimed such. Strawman.

didn’t you say the Obama administration prepping her meant they were concerned about hunter Biden?

Hah right. A man with no knowledge of the industry nor nation gets a job on his merit..........The guy kicked out the military for doing coke. Sounds legit.

Fact-checking all things Ukraine, Trump and the Bidens - CNNPolitics

 

[Jollybear]

What?


By prepped they mean told her to direct questions about a person and a company she knew nothing about back to those who do have knowledge.

Sounds truly nefarious.

And if it was a problem that it is now, why didn't any Republicans raise the issue during her confirmation hearings?

also that do not Prosecute list has already been Proving to be a lie by the person who started it.

Ukraine Prosecutor General Lutsenko admits U.S. ambassador didn't give him a do not prosecute list

Why did lutsenko change his testimony about the prosecute list? Thats weird.

 

[Jollybear]

He's definitely racking up quite the "greatest hits" list. My favorite so far is when he demanded I provide evidence that J. Biden was acting in concert with the EU, IMF, and bipartisan US foreign policy, I provided sources saying exactly that. And how did he respond? By saying all I had done was "throw a bunch of links" at him!

Denialism certainly is something to behold.

Denialism comes from you lefties and thats all you know how to do is throw articles at people because you dont understand lick about anything you talk about. You lefties dont address arguments or all questions and are the ultimate projectors.

 

[Shad]

You see what your doing is called logic chopping, which is focusing on trivial details instead of directly addressing the main issue in dispute which is Marie Yovanovitch being Prepped to say "Ask the Bidens" about the Bidens clearly a massive conspiracy there.

Nope. It establishes that the Bidens were of concern otherwise there would be no prepping.

She was told to refer to the VP office ergo the WH.

didn’t you say the Obama administration prepping her meant they were concerned about hunter Biden?

Yes. That is still different than what you said hence was a strawman.

Fact-checking all things Ukraine, Trump and the Bidens - CNNPolitics

Irrelevant to what I posted

 

[Shad]

Why did lutsenko change his testimony about the prosecute list? Thats weird.

He just was not given a list in writing. She (ambassador) still said some people being investigated was unacceptable.That is still a list just not one written down on paper. He saw that as a list.

Генпрокурор Юрий Луценко не уходит в отставку. Вот что он рассказал нам о конфликтах с послом США и главой НАБУ, деле Burisma, пленках Розенблата и источниках коррупции — большое интервью

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Who did she call? Who was on her list?

The meeting [with the ambassador] was at the GPU, at this table

Интервью записывалось в кабинете генерального прокурора.
in January 2017. She passed not one on one. She was not alone, and I was not alone. Mrs. Jovanovic was interested in the case of [the former deputy prosecutor general] Vitaliy Kasko [whom the prosecutor’s office of Kiev suspected of fraud in the privatization of housing]. The fact is that Mr. Kasko ordered a mother who never left Lviv in the office apartment - there were signs of abuse

В январе 2017 года прокуратура Киева закрыла дело против Касько «за недостаточностью доказательств».
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According to her, Kasko was an outstanding anti-corruption figure, and the criminal case [against him] discredited anti-corruption. I set out the details [of the case] and explained that I could not open and close the production at will. He also called a number of so-called anti-corruption officials who are on business. She said that this is unacceptable, they say, will undermine the credibility of anti-corruption activists. I took a piece of paper, recorded the surnames announced and said: “Dictate a list of inviolable persons.” She says: "No, you misunderstood me." I say: “No, I understood you correctly; Earlier, such lists were written [in the Presidential Administration] on Bankovaya, and you propose new lists from Tankovaya

На улице И. Сикорского (бывшая Танковая) в Киеве находится посольство США в Украине.
. ” The meeting is over. I'm afraid the emotions were not very good."

 

[Jollybear]

Absolutely they were. They continually tried to speak out of turn, then got all bent out of shape when told it wasn't their turn.
They've been doing that since the hearings started.


Nope. I think you should read it again and watch Yovanovich's testimony again.


Sorry your feelings are hurt but that doesn't make our points bull****.

Watch the hearing again.

Im not listening to her 7 hour testimony again. I listened to the other 7 hour or 8 hour whatever it was, yesterday. Now today im going to listen to sondlands. Probably going to be another 7 hours or so.

Its YOU, not i, who needs to watch yovonavich testimony again.

Adam shifts "rules" wer not fair to the republicans. You know it, i know it. Quit making up ****. The republicans wernt talking over anyone. It was adam shift doing the talking over!

Oh, come on. With you, everything is about right wing versus left wing. That's abundantly clear from almost every single one of your posts. Let's not kid ourselves.

No, thats a strawman argument on your part. Quit doing it because it makes you a waste of time.

What she said in her opening statement was that during her tenure in Ukraine, Biden/Burisma was never raised as an issue.

Whats so hard about this? She LIED! period.

Look again

"Yovanovitch said, "although I have met former vice president Joe Biden several times over the course of our many years in government service, neither he nor the previous administration ever raised the issue of either Burisma or Hunter Biden with me."

Then here shes asked a question

"The first time you personally became aware of Burisma was actually when you were being prepared by the Obama State Department for your Senate confirmation hearings, and this was in the form of practice questions and answers," Stefanik told the former ambassador. "This was your deposition. And you testified in this particular practice Q & A with the Obama State Department, it wasn't just generally about Burisma and corruption. It was specifically about Hunter Biden and Burisma. Is that correct?"

Yovanovitch answered, "Yes. It is."

If you dont see that as a lie cought, you dont know what a dam lie is. Mayby liers dont recognize when there lied to. Theres no cure for zombeism.

 

[wandering peacefully]

It's going to be a poop day of hearings. Nunes, is already resorting to name calling and hyperbole. Nothing refuting the actual evidence . I'm out of popcorn.

 

[Revoltingest]

It's going to be a poop day of hearings. Nunes, is already resorting to name calling and hyperbole. Nothing refuting the actual evidence . I'm out of popcorn.

Perhaps you need poopcorn?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Nunes deferred time to her which he can do as she is a member of the committee.

Not at that time, he couldn't. He was only allowed to yield his time to staff counsel, at that point.

"Only the chair and ranking minority member, or a Permanent Select Committee employee if yielded to by the chair or ranking minority member, may question witnesses during such periods of questioning. At the conclusion of questioning pursuant to this paragraph, the committee shall proceed with questioning under the five-minute rule …"
READ: House Democrats Release Draft Resolution On Impeachment Inquiry | NPR

 

[SkepticThinker]

Denialism comes from you lefties and thats all you know how to do is throw articles at people because you dont understand lick about anything you talk about. You lefties dont address arguments or all questions and are the ultimate projectors.

You say, as you project your denial of the facts onto others.

Here's a news flash for you ... news articles contain information and knowledge about the topic at hand. It sure beats making stuff up!

 

[SkepticThinker]

Nope. It establishes that the Bidens were of concern otherwise there would be no prepping.

She was told to refer to the VP office ergo the WH.







Yes. That is still different than what you said hence was a strawman.




Irrelevant to what I posted

The only thing it establishes as that they knew the Republicans were going to throw their Ukraine/Biden conspiracy stuff at her (and everyone else, apparently.)

 

[SkepticThinker]

Im not listening to her 7 hour testimony again. I listened to the other 7 hour or 8 hour whatever it was, yesterday. Now today im going to listen to sondlands. Probably going to be another 7 hours or so.

Its YOU, not i, who needs to watch yovonavich testimony again.

Adam shifts "rules" wer not fair to the republicans. You know it, i know it. Quit making up ****. The republicans wernt talking over anyone. It was adam shift doing the talking over!

As you already should know, those rules were created by the Republicans. So I'm not sure why they're (and you're) whining about them now.

I haven't made anything up. Nunes, Jordan and Stefanik have tried to speak out of turn several times throughout these hearings. I guess you missed it.

Adam Schiff is the Chair of the committee and is authorized to speak over those who are in not speaking in their proper turn. Somebody has to keep order; that's his job.

No, thats a strawman argument on your part. Quit doing it because it makes you a waste of time.

It's not a straw man, and that claim doesn't even make sense.

You should read through some of your own posts once in a while, it's a lot of "you lefties this" and "you commies that" and "democrats are communists/zombies" and on and on.
Your posts are extremely partisan in nature.

Whats so hard about this? She LIED! period.

Look again

"Yovanovitch said, "although I have met former vice president Joe Biden several times over the course of our many years in government service, neither he nor the previous administration ever raised the issue of either Burisma or Hunter Biden with me."

Then here shes asked a question

"The first time you personally became aware of Burisma was actually when you were being prepared by the Obama State Department for your Senate confirmation hearings, and this was in the form of practice questions and answers," Stefanik told the former ambassador. "This was your deposition. And you testified in this particular practice Q & A with the Obama State Department, it wasn't just generally about Burisma and corruption. It was specifically about Hunter Biden and Burisma. Is that correct?"

Yovanovitch answered, "Yes. It is."

If you dont see that as a lie cought, you dont know what a dam lie is. Mayby liers dont recognize when there lied to. Theres no cure for zombeism.

Raising the issue as a serious concern that needs dealing with, and using the issue as an example during a prep question and answer period, knowing that Republicans are obssessed with the Biden/Ukraine conspiracy theory and knowing that they would grill her on it, are not the same thing at all.

Please call me a liar again though, you're cracking me up. You seem to be coming more and more unhinged here ...