masturbation

[Guitar's Cry]

Self gratification is weaved into the fabric of our being. It is the opposite of love. When self gratification is the rule of our life nothing is acceptable. When benevolence is our ultimate preference, all actions that proceed from it are pleasing to God.

Self-gratification can be an expression for love, though. If a person cannot love themselves, knowing intimately all the evils and selfishness that person is capable of and still finding the ability to satisfy our most basic relationship.

 

[Danmac]

Self-gratification can be an expression for love, though. If a person cannot love themselves, knowing intimately all the evils and selfishness that person is capable of and still finding the ability to satisfy our most basic relationship.

A person that is committed to the indulgence of the sensibility will have an affection for anything that will excite it. This is not love, but self gratification. Love concerns itself with the welfare of others, not the welfare of itself.

 

[Badran]

The thread is about masturbation as a sin.

Yes, in christianity. The OP says:

do christians still think its wrong or has things changed

I don't hate Islam - I critisise it.

I have no problem with criticism.

I'll criticise anything that attempts to restrict the freedom of others. Especially women.

You'll criticize anything you want obviously. This doesn't seem like criticism to me though. Or at least if this is your idea of criticism, you could at least keep it to relevant topics. Because when put in irrelevant threads, muslims might not be able to see it, and wouldn't be able to respond to it.

 

[Storm]

***Mod Post***

Folks, the topic of the thread is Christian views of masturbation. Stick to it.

Just say "no" to hijackers.
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[Guitar's Cry]

A person that is committed to the indulgence of the sensibility will have an affection for anything that will excite it. This is not love, but self gratification. Love concerns itself with the welfare of others, not the welfare of itself.

If all they are committed to is self-gratification, then yes, this is a dangerous state of obsession. But self-gratification can be a loving thing: it is concern over a person's own welfare.

A person who does not love his own self is going to be restricted in his love for others.

 

[fantome profane]

***Mod Post***

Folks, the topic of the thread is Christian views of masturbation. Stick to it.

Just say "no" to hijackers.
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Personally I feel that any Christians who have a view of my masturbation should be arrested for invasion of privacy.

 

[Nerthus]

Personally I feel that any Christians who have a view of my masturbation should be arrested for invasion of privacy.

Ha, I like that one!

 

[Skwim]

Self gratification is weaved into the fabric of our being. It is the opposite of love.

Self gratification is the opposite of love is it?. Hmmm, sounds like an overblown pulpit proclamation.

When self gratification is the rule of our life nothing is acceptable.

Really! "Nothing"? Nothing at all? WOW!

When benevolence is our ultimate preference, all actions that proceed from it are pleasing to God.

So what?

A person that is committed to the indulgence of the sensibility will have an affection for anything that will excite it.

Ah, just what is this "committed to the indulgence of the sensibility"? Care to explain where the commitment comes in? And what, exactly, is an "indulgence of the sensibility"?

This is not love, but self gratification. Love concerns itself with the welfare of others, not the welfare of itself.

But why can't one's own welfare also be one of the objects of love? No one is limiting their love to just oneself. And, as you must surely be aware, love isn't only restricted to others.

"Love your neighbor as yourself.’ No other commandment is greater than these.”Mark 12:31.
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Be pretty hard to do this if you didn't first love yourself.
And why would it be wrong to appreciate and value, even love, one's welfare? After all, being a temple of god,

"Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?" 1 Corinthians 3:16
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I would think it's welfare would have pretty high priority on the love scale.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Self gratification is weaved into the fabric of our being. It is the opposite of love. When self gratification is the rule of our life nothing is acceptable. When benevolence is our ultimate preference, all actions that proceed from it are pleasing to God.

You know, there is a difference between altruism and self-martyrdom.

If one aims to be benevolent to all people, does that not also include one's self? Otherwise, why eat what is pleasing at all? Why listen to music one finds beautiful? Why engage any of one's senses that brings joy internally?

I suspect throwing up a mask of "benevolence" is merely just a cover for self-hatred.

 

[beenie]

Just watched the video posted by Octavia156, featuring some mad f***er. I stopped after these words:
"Even if she did fornicate, she does not deserve to be killed. At the most, she should be flogged if she confesses four times..."

I really hope children aren't exposed to religion. Who knows what damage may be caused....

it's not stated anywhere in the Qur'an that a woman should be flogged for masturbating. honestly, i don't know what the heck that dude was talking about.

 

[beenie]

I know!!!!

The more I uncover about how women are treated in Islamic countries, the more furious it makes me, especially when pig ignorant men come and try and defend their peers.

Its disgusting - in this day and age!!

there are truly a lot of ignorant "Muslims" out there, i'll give you that.

 

[deniro]

Women belong to man and not vice versa, because women were created from the rib of man is ,,,Eve

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Women belong to man and not vice versa, because women were created from the rib of man is ,,,Eve

Oh, how quaint. :sarcastic:

My husband would rather drop dead than "own" me. The very idea demeans us both. I don't belong to anybody, thank you.

One, my husband has enough to worry about with his own life that he shares with me.

And two, I decide what is good for me and my body. The only time Steve would ever step in is if I was being harmed. That's only because he cares, not because I'm his property.

And three... How is this at all relevent to the thread?

 

[joea]

It's a form of self fortification, it's giving in to the lustful desires of your flesh. It's a sin and If your not careful you'll be controlled by those desires.

No act is virtue, and no act is a sin....remember that. It is the quality of unconsciousness and unawareness in man that is a sin..not the act itself. Awareness is virtue and unawareness is a sin.

 

[Nerthus]

Women belong to man and not vice versa, because women were created from the rib of man is ,,,Eve

Well I would never be with a man who believed so

And, I have tried to see how this connects to masturbation, but have so far failed

 

[Octavia156]

"The word of Sin is Restriction." Liber AL vel Legis I:41

 

[supervamp78]

wow i didnt know i create such a popular thread haha
i believe that satisfy ur self a lil is ok i mean i just want to feel good doesn't mean ill go crazy with it or anything but yea so wats wrong with that its like eating a chocolate cake after a long day at work ur gonna tell me thats a sin too because i want to please myself for a while

 

[Nerthus]

its like eating a chocolate cake after a long day at work ur gonna tell me thats a sin too because i want to please myself for a while

Yes, that's a sin too

 

[EverChanging]

The Bible never actually forbids masturbation. Words attributed to Jesus do mention that to lust after a woman is to commit adultery with her in your heart, but he never said anything about imaginary women (or men), and besides that, I often masturbate without any thoughts, but rather focus on the feelings of my body. So even some very conservative, fundamentalist Christians don't claim that it is wrong. Some refer to it as "Onanism," but the "sin" of Onan was to withdraw and spill his seed on the ground rather than bearing children in place of his brother.

Ejaculation (as well as intercourse) made a man unclean in the Hebrew scriptures, but that isn't the same as sin....Even menstrual blood made women unclean. This is not sin, but ritual impurity.

 

[fantome profane]

Words attributed to Jesus do mention that to lust after a woman is to commit adultery with her in your heart, but he never said anything about imaginary women

That’s why I always fantasize about Marge Simpson.

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