Masturbation

[Bastet]

That sure explains a lot about some people I know... :lol:

 

[dan]

I read a medical study a while back that found an adult male can go about two and a half years without sex before the lack of it begins to mess with him emotionally -- provided he has a healthy fantasy life and masturbates.

Studies like that make me wonder what sort of sordid pathologies priests and monks harbor.

That study is a fraud. I've gone 23 years without sex or masturbation and I'm perfectly happy. That study is just someone who doesn't want to feel bad about masturbating.

 

[Sunstone]

Dan writes,

"That study is a fraud. I've gone 23 years without sex or masturbation and I'm perfectly happy."

Could it be your happiness is a statistical fluke?

I think “fraud” is probably too strong of a word here. We shouldn’t be too hasty to claim that someone’s work in the medical sciences is fraudulent merely because their work is not something we personally believe we can agree with in light of our own subjective experience. To jump to the conclusion that every study we must disagree with on personal grounds is fraudulent risks making us look like fools, besides its doing nothing to maintain our standards for intellectual honesty and discipline.

 

[Pah]

That study is a fraud. I've gone 23 years without sex or masturbation and I'm perfectly happy. That study is just someone who doesn't want to feel bad about masturbating.

You may have a personal point about the study Dan, but unless you are about 33-36 years old, 23 three years would include the time up to puberty and that doesn't really count for sex and only a bit if you include "comfort" masturbation. So can I guess it is really only 10 years?

 

[Irenicas]

Just to say: this is becoming more and more just nit-picking arguments, and less a debate about the wider issues. Let's get this back on track people.

 

[dan]

I have yet to find someone who has mentalproblems as a result of abstinence. I know many, many people who are chaste, and many many more who are not, and the promiscuous ones are the ones with mental instabilities. The study is worthless.

You may have a personal point about the study Dan, but unless you are about 33-36 years old, 23 three years would include the time up to puberty and that doesn't really count for sex and only a bit if you include "comfort" masturbation. So can I guess it is really only 10 years?

Geez, you're right, I guess ten years isn't long enough to come to a conclusion about something. Man....

Look, your sex drive is not like hunger or a bowel movement. It does not gain pressure until you die. It is a state of mind, and I happen to be very aware of the effects of one's sex drive or lack thereof. The study is worthless. I am telling you as a person that that study focuses on: it is worthless.

 

[Pah]

I have yet to find someone who has mentalproblems as a result of abstinence. I know many, many people who are chaste, and many many more who are not, and the promiscuous ones are the ones with mental instabilities. The study is worthless.

One of the main causes of the Witch Hunts at the beginning of the Renaissance was in response to the sexual activities of some monks and nuns

source: http://www.mind.org.uk/NR/exeres/73...ose=Basic&WBCMODE=PresentationUnpublished

You may have a personal point about the study Dan, but unless you are about 33-36 years old, 23 three years would include the time up to puberty and that doesn't really count for sex and only a bit if you include "comfort" masturbation. So can I guess it is really only 10 years?

Geez, you're right, I guess ten years isn't long enough to come to a conclusion about something. Man....

Just commenting on your exaggeration for effect

Look, your sex drive is not like hunger or a bowel movement. It does not gain pressure until you die. It is a state of mind, and I happen to be very aware of the effects of one's sex drive or lack thereof. The study is worthless. I am telling you as a person that that study focuses on: it is worthless.

It would be much better if you could summarize a peer reviewd study that supported your personal assertion and contradicted whatever you consider worthless A link would be helpful too!

 

[Sam Bloom]

What's humorous to me is the number of views that this topic has gotten compared to others.

People love anything having to do with sex. Ha.

 

[tumble_weed]

ha...right this topic's a bit odd...eh...XD

"eek, 10 pages on the masturbation thread. how far will it go?

Until it reaches a climax."

XD!!

anyway I don't think it's wrong...*refers to quote from first page....no actually I'll just paraphrase...I can't be bothered going back to the first page...but maize said something along the lines of it's your body you can play with it if you want...I mean you're not harming yourself...infact probably the opposite...unless you're using some sadomasochistic form of masterbation...o_o...

Also the first time I masturbated was when I was around 10...I was like wow crazy look what I can do...this is fun...then I didn't do it for a while because I was under the impression that it was wrong and evil for some reason...then when I was about 12 or something I finally learned that this magical trick I could do was called masterbation....

...anyway gotta go....I have important business to attend to XD

 

[Sam Bloom]

This thread has slowed down a lot. I guess everything that could ever have been said about masturbation has been said.

Or , everyone is off masturbating.

 

[dan]

"Only a man who has perfect self control is truly free."

 

[Bastet]

This thread has slowed down a lot. I guess everything that could ever have been said about masturbation has been said.

Or , everyone is off masturbating.

All those who are masturbating, raise your hands...oh...wait...you can't...

 

[Ardhanariswar]

well i can, i sometimes masturbate without them... lol.

 

[hail-satan-666]

god don't like the thought of masterbation because it is not helping it doesn't create life all your doing is forfilling your carnal desires

 

[Quoth The Raven]

An orgasm isn't an incredibly hard thing to experience.

If you don't masturbate and aren't married ,Sunshine, how the hell would you have a clue?:banghead3
And some days, it takes quite a bit of effort. I've really gotta crack the whip.:149:

 

[Quoth The Raven]

Didn't we give up these Victorian attitudes about masturbation when we started eating Corn Flakes for the flavor?

You can eat cornflakes for the flavour?! :woohoo:
And all this time I thought the flavour was just a dirty little pleasure while I was claiming to be eating them for the greater glory of God.

 

[Quoth The Raven]

That's a common fear for millions who don't have the will power to wait, but the dozens of people that I have spoken with on the subject agree that it (that fear) is totally unfounded. I have yet to meet a person who took that path and regretted it. You're just making assumptions based on information that you get from already sexually active people. It's entirely different for people who don't think like you.

Ditto.

So what you're saying is that these judgments you're passing are only conjecture and assumptions; in that you've never experienced what I speak of. I have talked to numerous people from both sides of the fence, and I am 100% confident in my conclusion.



You have nothing to compare it to, so how can you make a qualitative judgment? You've only experienced one side of the situation; and you dismiss the other side without sincere research. You can say it's enjoyable, but not more enjoyable.

With all due respect, you haven't experienced anything. You haven't even experienced one side of the situation. You've gotten a viewpoint formed through vicarious living and the opinions of others. You can't even say something is enjoyable at this point, let alone MORE enjoyable. I - on the other hand - have had sex as a virgin with a virgin (someone I loved) and you know what, it was a pretty sucky experience, because neither of us had a clue!
As to your sources,I've yet to meet any recently - and by that I mean within the last 5 years - married people who delayed sex until marriage who take the veiwpoint of ,'you know, I wish I'd just shagged my brains out with multiple partners before I got married', but I can tell you from my own observations of other people, many of them 10 or 15 years down the track are wondering if perhaps they didn't miss out on something. Note I said many and not all, because - as you seem to miss - every experience is different.

 

[Quoth The Raven]

But love is completely relevant here. God gave us the procreative power for two reasons; no less and no more. That power is to 1) create life, and 2) strengthen the bonds of love between man and wife. Say what you will, those are the two reasons sex exists. That's revealed truth rirht there.

Masturbation is cheating. It's using a God-given power in ways never intended by the Giver. There is nothing more sacred to God than sex, and when we undertake to practice it with no respect for its sanctity or importance we slap God across the mouth. He gave us His power. We have the power to create life. Have you stopped to think about that? we can create life; where there was no life we can make life. Science can never do that. It is the very power of God, and when one abuses this power it is an affront to God, regardless of how much you've fooled yourself into thinking it's OK. Rationalization and justification are the most prevelant sins in the world, and supoport of masturbation is just that. A man or woman who has the Spirit of the Lord in his life cannot but know that. A man who respects his future wife, wife, children, future children or own sexuality will recognize the worth of personal restraint in that area.

No Dan, we can't create life from where there was no life...sperm are alive and so are eggs. And using that as your argument every animal on the planet that reproduces sexually has the power of God, creating new life from nothingness.
Science does it all the time...it's called invitro fertilization. You should look into it; it's quite the industry.
Personally, if God has nothing better to think about than my sex life, then frankly he needs a friggin hobby.

 

[Ardhanariswar]

how do you know that God never intended masturbation? how do you know? did you ask God personally? how do you know that God never intended his creation to explore sexually so they learn to please and enjoy union with thier loved one?

 

[Quoth The Raven]

"Only a man who has perfect self control is truly free."

Or he could just be truly self-repressed.