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Mathematical proof of the omniscient Champion. Can we call Him "God"?

questfortruth

Well-Known Member
Is known, that human H1 knows 10 facts. Group of facts of human H1 is denoted as
M_{H1}={F1,F2, ...., F10}.
Is known, that human H2 knows 25 facts: M_{H2}={F1,F2, ...., F25}. Let us consider Champion of the humans, HC, who knows all facts: M_{HC}={F1,F2, ...., FN}, where N>25 is the number of the facts, that exist in all Reality, {F1,F2, ...., FN} \in Reality. Then, inside group M_{HC} is the knowledge of own existence: F5={HC exists}. Therefore F5 \in M_{HC}, so M_{HC}={F1,F2, F3, F4, F5...., FN}. Let us recall, that M_{HC} is the group of all facts of Reality. Thus, the existence of the Champion is real: F5 \in Reality.

We are the champions,
Got time for lost ones,
Cause we are the champions
Of the Good!

Why the Theology is not a Science, while is taught in Top Scientific Universes? Not, theology is Science. Because Science is Quest for Knowledge. People, who want to know God better, are going into Theology. So, because the Physics and Theology are Established Sciences, then not all facts can be described within methodological atheism of Physics. The atheism, is the absolute solipsism, because word "Reality" is defined as "Reality is what comes from God." Do you have alternative definition?

Reality is the totality of all things that have objective existence. Reality and Existence are synonyms, not definitions. The fictional beings -if recognized as objects inside human imagination- are objectively real as real are books of fairytales. You can touch the book, you can smell the book. You can record the brain activity while reading the fairytale book. All that is physical and objectively real.
 
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questfortruth

Well-Known Member
The atheism, is the absolute solipsism, because word "Reality" is defined as "Reality is what comes from God." Do you have alternative definition?
 

Little Lunch

Atheist
Not all mathematical equations are proof of reality.
It's been proven that there are infinite measurements between my bed and the toilet, yet it only takes me 4 seconds to get there or 12 seconds in the middle of the night.
 

DavidFirth

Well-Known Member
Not all mathematical equations are proof of reality.
It's been proven that there are infinite measurements between my bed and the toilet, yet it only takes me 4 seconds to get there or 12 seconds in the middle of the night.

Just don't try to get there half way at a time, you'll never make it. ;)
 

Polymath257

Think & Care
Staff member
Premium Member
Is known, that human H1 knows 10 facts. Group of facts of human H1 is denoted as
M_{H1}={F1,F2, ...., F10}.
Is known, that human H2 knows 25 facts: M_{H2}={F1,F2, ...., F25}. Let us consider Champion of the humans, HC, who knows all facts: M_{HC}={F1,F2, ...., FN}, where N>25 is the number of the facts, that exist in all Reality, {F1,F2, ...., FN} \in Reality. Then, inside group M_{HC} is the knowledge of own existence: F5={HC exists}. Therefore F5 \in M_{HC}, so M_{HC}={F1,F2, F3, F4, F5...., FN}. Let us recall, that M_{HC} is the group of all facts of Reality. Thus, the existence of the Champion is real: F5 \in Reality.

You may want to go take an actual math class involving proofs. Nobody past the first proof class would give such a poor argument.

What you have done is shown that *if* HC exists then F5 is in reality (i.e, HC knows of their own existence). But that is not a proof that F5 is, in fact, in reality.

And, in fact, it is pretty easy to show that HC does NOT exist: it is clear that there are two humans H and K where each knows something the other does not and such that no other human knows everything that either H or K knows. All we need to do to show this existence is find very knowledgeable people in two very different areas of study where nobody is an expert in both areas. But, since your supposed HC would know everything knowable, HC would provide and example of a person violating the choice of H and K.
 

Jumi

Well-Known Member
The atheism, is the absolute solipsism, because word "Reality" is defined as "Reality is what comes from God." Do you have alternative definition?
Interesting interpretation, but not one that's really true. It's something that you believe, but not commonly believed.
 

DavidFirth

Well-Known Member
I travel an infinite number of halfway distances, & I make it there on time.
The real trick is to avoid stubbing my pinky toe in the dark.

Just be wary of your wife if she leaves stuff out in the hallways. I tripped over a space heater one night and nearly broke my glasses. I did get a black eye.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Just be wary of your wife if she leaves stuff out in the hallways. I tripped over a space heater one night and nearly broke my glasses. I did get a black eye.
I'm usually the one to leave stuff lying around.
(Blame it on building projects in progress.)
 

DavidFirth

Well-Known Member
I'm usually the one to leave stuff lying around.
(Blame it on building projects in progress.)

You're horrible. Now I have to make sure I find a light switch and turn it on because she's so absent minded about stuff. I'm afraid I'll trip over something trying to find it.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
You're horrible. Now I have to make sure I find a light switch and turn it on because she's so absent minded about stuff. I'm afraid I'll trip over something trying to find it.
Reminds me of the old joke about how to punish Helen Keller....
Rearrange the furniture.
 

leibowde84

Veteran Member
The atheism, is the absolute solipsism, because word "Reality" is defined as "Reality is what comes from God." Do you have alternative definition?
That is absolutely NOT what "reality" means. Here is the actual definition:
re·al·i·ty
rēˈalədē/
noun
  1. the world or the state of things as they actually exist, as opposed to an idealistic or notional idea of them.
God is nowhere in the meaning of the term "reality".
 
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