Mathematical proof of the omniscient Champion. Can we call Him "God"?

[leibowde84]

The atheism, is the absolute solipsism, because word "Reality" is defined as "Reality is what comes from God." Do you have alternative definition?

Can you provide the source you are getting your incorrect definition for the term "reality" from?

 

[beenherebeforeagain]

I travel an infinite number of halfway distances, & I make it there on time.
The real trick is to avoid stubbing my pinky toe in the dark.

the secret to hitting your target, instead of never getting there because of the quandary of halves, is to aim beyond it...the path of the arrow in the classic formulation only looks at the arrow and the target, ignoring that the arrow would actually travel on its course much farther than the target, if we hadn't put the target in the way...

My wife, however, does complain about me aiming beyond my target, at home, at night, in the smallest room in our house...

 

[Revoltingest]

the secret to hitting your target, instead of never getting there because of the quandary of halves, is to aim beyond it...the path of the arrow in the classic formulation only looks at the arrow and the target, ignoring that the arrow would actually travel on its course much farther than the target, if we hadn't put the target in the way...

I use a different trick.
Knowing calculus, I can divide by zero.

 

[questfortruth]

That is absolutely NOT what "reality" means. Here is the actual definition:
re·al·i·ty
rēˈalədē/
noun

1. the world or the state of things as they actually exist, as opposed to an idealistic or notional idea of them.

God is nowhere in the meaning of the term "reality".

What is word "Existence" then?

 

[questfortruth]

Reality is what doesn't change depending on people's thoughts and beliefs.
Tom

A persistent mass-hallucination, a dream in Matrix, they are permanent.

 

[questfortruth]

Interesting interpretation, but not one that's really true. It's something that you believe, but not commonly believed.

I have brain.

 

[questfortruth]

You may want to go take an actual math class involving proofs. Nobody past the first proof class would give such a poor argument.

What you have done is shown that *if* HC exists then F5 is in reality (i.e, HC knows of their own existence). But that is not a proof that F5 is, in fact, in reality. ......

Word "if" means, that I am assuming the HC existence. No assumptions are in the proof. I am considering an imagination. Then the latter becomes real.
Consider the person HC, who knows ALL Reality. Then He knows own existence, because we considering Him. Thus, among ALL Reality is the existence of the HC.

 

[Polymath257]

Consider the person HC, who knows ALL Reality. Then He knows own existence, because we considering Him. Thus, among ALL Reality is the existence of the HC.

But to get that knowledge, you have to *first* have the existence.

So, your argument boils down to 'if HC exists, then his existence is part of reality, and so he knows it, so the collection of real knowledge includes that existence, so HC exists'. It is all preconditioned on the existence of HC.

 

[Polymath257]

Word "if" means, that I am assuming the HC existence. No assumptions are in the proof. I am considering a fantasy. Then the latter becomes real.
Consider the person HC, who knows ALL Reality. Then He knows own existence, because we considering Him. Thus, among ALL Reality is the existence of the HC.

And if HC does not exist, then his existence is not part of reality. You are assuming the conclusion.

 

[leibowde84]

What is word "Existence" then?

Here you go. There is absolutely no requirement of God in this definition either. Can you provide your source for these definitions that do require God?

ex·ist·ence
iɡˈzistəns/
noun

1. the fact or state of living or having objective reality.

AND, here is the definition from Dictionary.com:

noun
1.the state or fact of existing; being.
2.continuance in being or life
3.mode of existing
4.all that exists
5.something that exists; entity; being.

 

[leibowde84]

Word "if" means, that I am assuming the HC existence. No assumptions are in the proof. I am considering an imagination. Then the latter becomes real.
Consider the person HC, who knows ALL Reality. Then He knows own existence, because we considering Him. Thus, among ALL Reality is the existence of the HC.

This is merely using fraudulent, circular logic. You are assuming your conclusion in your premise. You can see this easily because you can replace "HC" wth "the boogy man" and you still get to the same place.

You are falling for the same faulty logic as St. Anselm did. Anselm defined God as "that than which nothing greater can be thought", and argued that this being must exist in the mind, even in the mind of the person who denies the existence of God. He suggested that, if the greatest possible being exists in the mind, it must also exist in reality. If it only exists in the mind, then an even greater being must be possible—one which exists both in the mind and in reality. Therefore, this greatest possible being must exist in reality.

Anselm was obviously wrong, using nothing but a faulty, dishonest logical fallacy. It is nothing but an exercise in circular reasoning, as he, like you, was using a man-made definition of God.

In short, you cannot use a definition of God that assumes God exists and expect that to count as evidence for God's existence. It is beyond ignorant.

 

[questfortruth]

This is merely using fraudulent, circular logic. You are assuming your conclusion in your premise. You can see this easily because you can replace "HC" wth "the boogy man" and you still get to the same place. ...

I am not giving names, otherwise it can become blasphemy. The boogy man is a hallucination, or a devil. God would be angry, if I call Him that. So, I am using word "Champion". If the Champion exist in Reality, then He knows own existence. Thus, among the facts is the existence of the Champion. No contradiction in this line of thought? Now, let us imagine the Champion. Then He knows own existence. Thus, among the facts is the existence of Champion. (Otherwise we can not imagine Him.) Thus, He exists in Reality.

 

[HonestJoe]

Word "if" means, that I am assuming the HC existence. No assumptions are in the proof.

You can’t use logic to prove one of your assumptions. If you think you have, your logic is flawed by definition.

Consider the person HC, who knows ALL Reality. Then He knows own existence, because we considering Him. Thus, among ALL Reality is the existence of the HC.

Our consideration is only the idea that such a being could exist, not that it certainly does and certainly not in a definitive singular form. There is a difference between the existence of a concept and the existence of the actual entity.

 

[questfortruth]

You can’t use logic to prove one of your assumptions. If you think you have, your logic is flawed by definition.

Our consideration is only the idea that such a being could exist, not that it certainly does and certainly not in a definitive singular form. There is a difference between the existence of a concept and the existence of the actual entity.

Good, that God is Judge of the proofs, not you.

 

[Little Lunch]

Gobbledygook.

 

[leibowde84]

I am not giving names, otherwise it can become blasphemy. The boogy man is a hallucination, or a devil. God would be angry, if I call Him that. So, I am using word "Champion". If the Champion exist in Reality, then He knows own existence. Thus, among the facts is the existence of the Champion. No contradiction in this line of thought? Now, let us imagine the Champion. Then He knows own existence. Thus, among the facts is the existence of Champion. (Otherwise we can not imagine Him.) Thus, He exists in Reality.

I'm sorry, but you are dead wrong. We can all imagine characters, animals, and beings of all kinds that don't exist in reality. We can all imagine unicorns, but they don't exist in reality. We can all imagine Homer Simpson, but he doesn't exist in reality. We can all imagine Forrest Gump, but he doesn't exist in reality.

If God were just invented by the minds of men, we would still be able to imagine God in the same way we can imagine any other fictional character.

In short, our ability to imagine God in no way provides any evidence that God actually exists.

 

[Jumi]

I have brain.

All people do.

 

[Polymath257]

I am not giving names, otherwise it can become blasphemy. The boogy man is a hallucination, or a devil. God would be angry, if I call Him that. So, I am using word "Champion". If the Champion exist in Reality, then He knows own existence. Thus, among the facts is the existence of the Champion. No contradiction in this line of thought? Now, let us imagine the Champion. Then He knows own existence. Thus, among the facts is the existence of Champion. (Otherwise we can not imagine Him.) Thus, He exists in Reality.

You have only shown that if HC exists, then HC exists.

 

[ChristineM]

Just be wary of your wife if she leaves stuff out in the hallways. I tripped over a space heater one night and nearly broke my glasses. I did get a black eye.

My husband tripped over the cat one night. I had to try to explain to the kids what "dad" shouted. The cat is now called "Cooking Fat"

 

[DavidFirth]

My husband tripped over the cat one night. I had to try to explain to the kids what "dad" shouted. The cat is now called "Cooking Fat"

That's pretty dog gone funny. I now move very slowly around the house at night.