Mathew takes Isaiah Chapter 7 way out of context

[Jayhawker Soule]

Jesus was conceived by Mary and her husband Joseph in the normal way.

And just which 'celestial being' told you this?

 

[Super Universe]

And just which 'celestial being' told you this?

Oh, that's right. Only 4,000 year old revelation counts to some people. Anything more recent can't be true because "celestial beings" only talked to Abraham and Moses.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Oh, that's right. Only 4,000 year old revelation counts to some people.

You might wish to check and see if your celestial beings offer anything in the way of remedial math.

By the way, I particularly like

Joseph, the human father of Jesus (Joshua ben Joseph), was a Hebrew of the Hebrews, albeit he carried many non-Jewish racial strains which had been added to his ancestral tree from time to time by the female lines of his progenitors. ​

Those celestial beings of yours really have a rather distasteful fixation on 'racial strains'. It's something they should work on.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Parenthetically, for those who now wonder about Mary ...

Mary, the earth mother of Jesus, was a descendant of a long line of unique ancestors embracing many of the most remarkable women in the racial history of Urantia.​

Not just history ... racial history!

 

[Super Universe]

You might wish to check and see if your celestial beings offer anything in the way of remedial math.

By the way, I particularly like

Joseph, the human father of Jesus (Joshua ben Joseph), was a Hebrew of the Hebrews, albeit he carried many non-Jewish racial strains which had been added to his ancestral tree from time to time by the female lines of his progenitors.
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Those celestial beings of yours really have a rather distasteful fixation on 'racial strains'. It's something they should work on.

That's nothing, you should have posted the part about the Oriental race being superior. That ones a real kicker.

The reason the celestial beings, otherwise known as angels, are so fixated on racial strains is because the original intention for humanity was that inferior genes would be bred out long ago but Adam and Eve failed in that part of their mission.

 

[Super Universe]

Parenthetically, for those who now wonder about Mary ...

Mary, the earth mother of Jesus, was a descendant of a long line of unique ancestors embracing many of the most remarkable women in the racial history of Urantia.
​

Not just history ... racial history!

And this is better?

Genesis 38:7
But Er, Judah’s firstborn, was wicked in the LORD’s sight; so the LORD put him to death.
Exodus 19:12
Put limits for the people around the mountain and tell them, ‘Be careful that you do not approach the mountain or touch the foot of it. Whoever touches the mountain is to be put to death.
Exodus 35:2
For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a day of sabbath rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it is to be put to death

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

The reason the celestial beings, otherwise known as angels, are so fixated on racial strains is because the original intention for humanity was that inferior genes would be bred out long ago ...

I'm a Jew. I'm quite familiar with the sick logic of 'inferior racial strains'.

 

[Super Universe]

I'm a Jew. I'm quite familiar with the sick logic of 'inferior racial strains'.

Are you really? So to you Tay Sachs is an acceptable gene to have in humanity? Cystic Fibrosis? Diabetes? And I haven't even touched upon them all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genetic_disorders

How come humanity is spending billions of dollars and countless hours of time to eliminate these "inferior racial strains", as you call them, if it's sick logic?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

Are you really? So to you Tay Sachs is an acceptable gene to have in humanity? Cystic Fibrosis? Diabetes? And I haven't even touched upon them all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genetic_disorders

How come humanity is spending billions of dollars and countless hours of time to eliminate these "inferior racial strains", as you call them, if it's sick logic?

Writing in really big letters does not make the racist drivel any less racist. But, for the record ...

Tay-Sachs disease occurs when the body lacks hexosaminidase A, a protein that helps break down a chemical found in nerve tissue called gangliosides. Without this protein, gangliosides, particularly ganglioside GM2, build up in cells, especially nerve cells in the brain.

Tay-Sachs disease is caused by a defective gene on chromosome 15. When both parents carry the defective Tay-Sachs gene, a child has a 25% chance of developing the disease. The child must receive two copies of the defective gene -- one from each parent -- in order to become sick. If only one parent passes the defective gene to the child, the child is called a carrier. He or she won't be sick, but will have the potential to pass the disease to his or her own children.

Anyone can be a carrier of Tay-Sachs, but the disease is most common among the Ashkenazi Jewish population. About 1 in every 27 members of the Ashkenazi Jewish population carries the Tay-Sachs gene.
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... please show me where science has defined the Ashkenazi Jewish population as a race.

You may wish to start here ...

Ashkenazi Jews, also known as Ashkenazic Jews or Ashkenazim (Hebrew: אַשְׁכְּנַזִּים‎‎, Ashkenazi Hebrew pronunciation: [ˌaʃkəˈnazim], singular: [ˌaʃkəˈnazi], Modern Hebrew: [aʃkenaˈzim], [aʃkenaˈzi]; also יְהוּדֵי אַשְׁכֲּנַז Y'hudey Ashkenaz, "The Jews of Ashkenaz"), are the Jews descended from the medieval Jewish communities along the Rhine in Germany from Alsace in the south to the Rhineland in the north.

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In an ethnic sense, an Ashkenazi Jew is one whose ancestry can be traced to the Jews of Central and Eastern Europe. For roughly a thousand years, the Ashkenazim were a reproductively isolated population in Europe, despite living in many countries, with little inflow or outflow from migration, conversion, or intermarriage with other groups, including other Jews. Human geneticists have identified genetic variations that have high frequencies among Ashkenazi Jews, but not in the general European population. This is true for patrilineal markers (Y-chromosome haplotypes) as well as for matrilineal markers (mitotypes).

But perhaps to someone awash in Urantia 'reasonng', everything is viewed through the lens of race, racial strains, and racial purity.

 

[Shermana]

If there's nothing "racial" about being Jewish, why the emphasis on Maternal lineage?

Perhaps this should be a new OP.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

On a separate note, and regarding the proverb Birds of a Feather Flock Together, I found the following to be a bit humorous ...

This proverb has been in use since at least the mid 16th century. In 1545, William Turner used a version of it in his papist satire The Rescuing of Romish Fox:

"Byrdes of on kynde and color flok and flye allwayes together." ​

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Now, back to gMt.

 

[Shermana]

It's a simple question Jay, and I guess it could relate to the OP, if there's no racial element, why is there an emphasis on Maternal lineage?

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

It's a simple question Jay, and I guess it could relate to the OP, if there's no racial element, why is there an emphasis on Maternal lineage?

If it's a serious question, start a thread in the Judaism DIR.

 

[Shermana]

If it's a serious question, start a thread in the Judaism DIR.

See ya there.

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/judaism-dir/140240-maternal-lineage.html

 

[Super Universe]

Writing in really big letters does not make the racist drivel any less racist. But, for the record ...... please show me where science has defined the Ashkenazi Jewish population as a race.

You may wish to start here ...But perhaps to someone awash in Urantia 'reasonng', everything is viewed through the lens of race, racial strains, and racial purity.

Posting the link changed the following script. I'm sure it upset you greatly but then everything does that.

I'm a racist because I think genetic diseases should be eliminated from the human gene pool, huh?

Who cares whether the Ashkenazi Jewish population is a race or not? There were no such thing as Jews during the time of Adam and Eve when the purifying of the gene pool from genetic defects was supposed to take place.

And Tay Sachs is just one of hundreds of genetic diseases but you don't seem to care much about the other genetic diseases for some reason. Hmm, I wonder why? Maybe because Tay Sachs primarily affects Jews?

And what is the racial make up of the Jews? Uh, lets see, there is some white, some more white, and, uh, well, it's all white and it's going to stay that way under the guise of "tradition", isn't it?

 

[Shermana]

And what is the racial make up of the Jews? Uh, lets see, there is some white, some more white, and, uh, well, it's all white

I'm assuming you've never heard the word "Mizrahi" before?

 

[Super Universe]

It doesn't mean, non-white. It means "Eastern". Are you saying that Eastern people are a different racial group than white?

And did these Eastern Jews intermarry with other "racial" groups?

 

[Shermana]

It doesn't mean, non-white. It means "Eastern". Are you saying that Eastern people are a different racial group than white?

When people say "White" they usually mean Caucasian, which likely has Scythian-Caucusus roots. Mizrahi Jews are not very light skinned as a whole and their features are quite different than most "Caucasians". And even Ashkenazi Jews, who are invariably genetically similar to Mizrahis and Sephardim, are much different looking than most "Whites". I can often spot a fellow Ashkenazi on sight. So yes, both Eastern and "Western" Jews are indeed a different racial group than "Whites". However, I have my opinions on Danes and Jutes and Saxons that they may in fact be the descendents of European interbreeding.

And did these Eastern Jews intermarry with other "racial" groups?

They were most probably just as isolated and fiercely anti-interbreeding as my Ukrainian Ashkenazi Jewish ancestors. The phenemonon of interbreeding on a large scale is a very recent concept.

 

[Super Universe]

When people say "White" they usually mean Caucasian, which likely has Scythian-Caucusus roots. Mizrahi Jews are not very light skinned as a whole and their features are quite different than most "Caucasians". And even Ashkenazi Jews, who are invariably genetically similar to Mizrahis and Sephardim, are much different looking than most "Whites". I can often spot a fellow Ashkenazi on sight. So yes, both Eastern and "Western" Jews are indeed a different racial group than "Whites". However, I have my opinions on Danes and Jutes and Saxons that they may in fact be the descendents of European interbreeding.



They were most probably just as isolated and fiercely anti-interbreeding as my Ukrainian Ashkenazi Jewish ancestors. The phenemonon of interbreeding on a large scale is a very recent concept.

So some Jews migrated to the east in ancient times and interbred with those outside of their racial group?

Isn't that against the Jewish tradition of maintaining racial purity?

 

[Shermana]

So some Jews migrated to the east in ancient times and interbred with those outside of their racial group?

Isn't that against the Jewish tradition of maintaining racial purity?

Of course there was some interbreeding, just not on a large scale til modern times, I'd bet the grand majority of that ancient interbreeding was due to the women being taken as slaves and War booty. And the rest was from Apostates who didn't care much about the religion to begin with, like nowadays.

So what's your point, and what does have to do with my response to your reply? The grand majority of Jews I'd largely bet come from very isolated communities who never interbred willfully.