Matthew 25 and signs of the Second Coming

[soulsurvivor]

Dear ss,
Those programs are based on the printing of money, in order to procure votes, and not the generosity of the liberal left. If you had been able to have children, you would know that they would have to pay the bill if the system doesn't collapse in the near future. The unfunded liabilities of the U.S. government are approximately 175 trillion dollars. That is around $600,000 for each man woman and child in the U.S. I think maybe it would be better if you helped the people in your neighborhood, and leave the government out of it. I think the commandment is to "not steal", and that would apply to stealing candy from a baby, unborn or not.

Very convincing theory! I am sure the Christ will be very happy that you are more concerned about the deficit than you are about the poor, sick and hungry. In fact he may skip the goats and sheep groups altogether and put you directly among the angels! Your salvation I am sure, is pretty much guaranteed (right behind Paul Ryan, who believes himself to be the first in line).

 

[2ndpillar]

Very convincing theory! I am sure the Christ will be very happy that you are more concerned about the deficit than you are about the poor, sick and hungry. In fact he may skip the goats and sheep groups altogether and put you directly among the angels! Your salvation I am sure, is pretty much guaranteed (right behind Paul Ryan, who believes himself to be the first in line).

Dear ss,
I am sorry, the total liabilities was only 126 trillion. Does the United States have $128 trillion in unfunded liabilities?
All stolen from unborn children of future generations. But don't worry, the bubble will probably bust within a year, and you will be happy to escape with your life. Figure on getting by with no money, or credit cards. I am sure your life of being a liberal "snow flake", most likely living on the State's largeness, will have prepared you for what is coming. Your god appears to be the state. That generally does not work out well in the end.

 

[soulsurvivor]

Dear ss,
I am sorry, the total liabilities was only 126 trillion. Does the United States have $128 trillion in unfunded liabilities?
All stolen from unborn children of future generations. But don't worry, the bubble will probably bust within a year, and you will be happy to escape with your life. Figure on getting by with no money, or credit cards. I am sure your life of being a liberal "snow flake", most likely living on the State's largeness, will have prepared you for what is coming. Your god appears to be the state. That generally does not work out well in the end.

Like I said, the Christ will probably love your argument. He is a very fiscally responsible guy. It is much better to save some money rather than help some poor, starving, sick person.

Matthew 25 31-46 is all ancient stuff which is not suited for our modern times and economies, I am sure the Christ will revise it considerably when he returns. Good luck on the Day of Judgement though, it is pretty close.

 

[MHz]

Putting these verses in today's context, I see food of the hungry as programs like the foodstamp program; looking after the sick as programs like Medicaid, Obamacare, Medicare; welcoming strangers as welcoming immigrants/refugees; and taking care of those in prison as the previous administration's clemency program.

Just as the Christ predicted, the country is divided bitterly into two polarized groups with diametrically opposite views regarding such programs.

So do you think the perfect match between the Christ's prophesy and the most contentious issues of today is a mere coincidence?

I think this division in the country (and perhaps the world) is the surest sign that the Return of the Christ is imminent. What do you think?

Since we have the ability to cure those woes ourselves it would seem that it is not what the Bible covers. The Bible is more specif to mentioning individuals and how they conduct themselves with other they meet during their waking hours than it being about being in a certain group that saves you.

M't:5:43-48:
Ye have heard that it hath been said,
Thou shalt love thy neighbour,
and hate thine enemy.
But I say unto you,
Love your enemies,
bless them that curse you,
do good to them that hate you,
and pray for them which despitefully use you,
and persecute you;
That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good,
and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
For if ye love them which love you,
what reward have ye?
do not even the publicans the same?
And if ye salute your brethren only,
what do ye more than others?
do not even the publicans so?
Be ye therefore perfect,
even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

M't:24:36-42:
But of that day and hour knoweth no man,
no,
not the angels of heaven,
but my Father only.
But as the days of Noe were,
so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking,
marrying and giving in marriage,
until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
And knew not until the flood came,
and took them all away;
so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Then shall two be in the field;
the one shall be taken,
and the other left.
Two women shall be grinding at the mill;
the one shall be taken,
and the other left.
Watch therefore:
for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

 

[MHz]

Please provide ONE verse that mentions, "Christs anointed brothers".

Every stranger is to be treated like he was Jesus as in the time Peter was naked on the boat and it was the Beloved Disciple who recognized Jesus in His glorified body. Should the stranger prove to be a sinner you are allowed to go a different route.

1Pe:4:7-19:
But the end of all things is at hand:
be ye therefore sober,
and watch unto prayer.
And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves:
for charity shall cover the multitude of sins.
Use hospitality one to another without grudging.
As every man hath received the gift,
even so minister the same one to another,
as good stewards of the manifold grace of God.
If any man speak,
let him speak as the oracles of God;
if any man minister,
let him do it as of the ability which God giveth:
that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ,
to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever.
Amen.
Beloved,
think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:
But rejoice,
inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings;
that,
when his glory shall be revealed,
ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.
If ye be reproached for the name of Christ,
happy are ye;
for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you:
on their part he is evil spoken of,
but on your part he is glorified.
But let none of you suffer as a murderer,
or as a thief,
or as an evildoer,
or as a busybody in other men's matters.
Yet if any man suffer as a Christian,
let him not be ashamed;
but let him glorify God on this behalf.
For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God:
and if it first begin at us,
what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
And if the righteous scarcely be saved,
where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing,
as unto a faithful Creator.

Heb:13:2:
Be not forgetful to entertain strangers:
for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

 

[MJFlores]

The relevant verses are Matthew 25:31-46. In these verses, the Christ says that when he returns to the world, humanity will be divided into two - those on the left and those on the right - the goats and the sheep.

First of all let us not make assumptions or
presumptions. If we do we would be interpreting what he said falsely.

Sheep - who are they? Goats - who are they?

John 10:7,9 New International Version (NIV)

Therefore Jesus said again, “Very truly I tell you, I am the gate for the sheep. I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. They will come in and go out, and find pasture.

It is very clear that whoever ENTERS through the Lord Jesus will be saved. He is the gate for the sheep not the goats, dogs or other kind of description. Sheep are people (whoever).

John 10:14-15 New International Version (NIV)

“I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me— just as the Father knows me and I know the Father—and I lay down my life for the sheep.

The Lord Jesus knows his sheep and his sheep knows him. He offered his life for his sheep. Will the sheep inherit the kingdom of heaven?

Luke 12:32

“Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father has been pleased to give you the kingdom.

What symbolizes his sheep or flock?

Acts 20:28

Take heed therefore to yourselves and to all the flock, over which the Holy Spirit has appointed you overseers, to feed the church of Christ which he has purchased with his blood.

The sheep = Church of Christ (Jesus described himself as the good shepherd, the gate for the sheep)

The goats = Not the Church of Christ (Jesus did not describe himself as a goat herder)

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Please provide ONE verse that mentions, "Christs anointed brothers".

Every stranger is to be treated like he was Jesus as in the time Peter was naked on the boat and it was the Beloved Disciple who recognized Jesus in His glorified body. Should the stranger prove to be a sinner you are allowed to go a different route.

1Pe:4:7-19:
But the end of all things is at hand:
be ye therefore sober,
and watch unto prayer.
And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves:
for charity shall cover the multitude of sins.
Use hospitality one to another without grudging.
As every man hath received the gift,
even so minister the same one to another,
as good stewards of the manifold grace of God.
If any man speak,
let him speak as the oracles of God;
if any man minister,
let him do it as of the ability which God giveth:
that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ,
to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever.
Amen.
Beloved,
think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:
But rejoice,
inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings;
that,
when his glory shall be revealed,
ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.
If ye be reproached for the name of Christ,
happy are ye;
for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you:
on their part he is evil spoken of,
but on your part he is glorified.
But let none of you suffer as a murderer,
or as a thief,
or as an evildoer,
or as a busybody in other men's matters.
Yet if any man suffer as a Christian,
let him not be ashamed;
but let him glorify God on this behalf.
For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God:
and if it first begin at us,
what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
And if the righteous scarcely be saved,
where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?
Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing,
as unto a faithful Creator.

Heb:13:2:
Be not forgetful to entertain strangers:
for thereby some have entertained angels unawares.

What has any of that have to do with my request to provide one verse that says, "Christs anointed brothers"?

 

[MJFlores]

What has any of that have to do with my request to provide one verse that says, "Christs anointed brothers"?

What was that for?

Colossians 1:2 New International Version (NIV)

To God’s holy people in Colossae, the faithful brothers and sisters in Christ:

Grace and peace to you from God our Father.

 

[soulsurvivor]

First of all let us not make assumptions or
presumptions. If we do we would be interpreting what he said falsely.

Sheep - who are they? Goats - who are they?

John 10:7,9 New International Version (NIV)

Therefore Jesus said again, “Very truly I tell you, I am the gate for the sheep. I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. They will come in and go out, and find pasture.

It is very clear that whoever ENTERS through the Lord Jesus will be saved. He is the gate for the sheep not the goats, dogs or other kind of description. Sheep are people (whoever).

John 10:14-15 New International Version (NIV)

“I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me— just as the Father knows me and I know the Father—and I lay down my life for the sheep.

The Lord Jesus knows his sheep and his sheep knows him. He offered his life for his sheep. Will the sheep inherit the kingdom of heaven?

Luke 12:32

“Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father has been pleased to give you the kingdom.

What symbolizes his sheep or flock?

Acts 20:28

Take heed therefore to yourselves and to all the flock, over which the Holy Spirit has appointed you overseers, to feed the church of Christ which he has purchased with his blood.

The sheep = Church of Christ (Jesus described himself as the good shepherd, the gate for the sheep)

The goats = Not the Church of Christ (Jesus did not describe himself as a goat herder)

Sounds very self-serving! Ignore the 'least of these' and join some Church. That should be enough to enter the gate to heaven. Good luck!

 

[Muffled]

The relevant verses are Matthew 25:31-46. In these verses, the Christ says that when he returns to the world, humanity will be divided into two - those on the left and those on the right - the goats and the sheep. The division will be entirely based on the people's attitude to the 'least of these' - ie the poorest of the poor, the most oppressed, the worst down-trodden.

In verses 41-43, he goes on to say '‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

Putting these verses in today's context, I see food of the hungry as programs like the foodstamp program; looking after the sick as programs like Medicaid, Obamacare, Medicare; welcoming strangers as welcoming immigrants/refugees; and taking care of those in prison as the previous administration's clemency program.

Just as the Christ predicted, the country is divided bitterly into two polarized groups with diametrically opposite views regarding such programs.

So do you think the perfect match between the Christ's prophesy and the most contentious issues of today is a mere coincidence?

I think this division in the country (and perhaps the world) is the surest sign that the Return of the Christ is imminent. What do you think?

I believe if the government does it, you wont get credit for it. Just as I don't need to take the blame for all the babies that have been murdered.

IMO the debate is whether those things are personal issues or government issues and therefore doesn't qualify as the dichotomy of Mat 25.

 

[soulsurvivor]

I believe if the government does it, you wont get credit for it. Just as I don't need to take the blame for all the babies that have been murdered.

IMO the debate is whether those things are personal issues or government issues and therefore doesn't qualify as the dichotomy of Mat 25.

If you supported and voted for a government, you will get the credit for everything the government does, including helping the 'least of these'.

If you supported and voted for a government that does not help poor people or actually hurts them, then you are complicit too. The government does not murder any babies, so you don't have to worry about taking any blame.

 

[MJFlores]

Sounds very self-serving! Ignore the 'least of these' and join some Church. That should be enough to enter the gate to heaven. Good luck!

Self serving? Who then should guide people to the truth? Satan so it won't be self serving? Some terrorist so it won't be self serving? The Trump so it won't be self serving? Who do you think has to say these things to someone? I think sometimes people stayed too long at self service gasoline station and cafeterias. Check it out, if you think it is not good for you - ignore it. Give things a chance - for you.

 

[2ndpillar]

Like I said, the Christ will probably love your argument. He is a very fiscally responsible guy. It is much better to save some money rather than help some poor, starving, sick person.

Matthew 25 31-46 is all ancient stuff which is not suited for our modern times and economies, I am sure the Christ will revise it considerably when he returns. Good luck on the Day of Judgement though, it is pretty close.

Dear ss,
The government is not, or will not be saving any money. They have spent an average of 1 trillion per year more than they have taken in over the last 8 years. It is all stolen money from the surviving children of this generation and the next, if indeed we can even get past this year. The only sick people I know of go to a doctor regularly, and continue to be sick and get sicker. I can't remember seeing any starving people other than on TV commercials originating from other countries. I don't think Social Security, and Obama Care covers those individuals. But I can take down the phone number if you are interested. No use stealing from the next generation, if you can solve the problem from the comfort of your own home. As with the Clinton Foundation, you really can't be sure how much of the money will reach the needy, but hopefully it will keep someone happy. With the Clinton Foundation, I am thinking that I heard around 6% got to the needy.

 

[soulsurvivor]

Dear ss,
The government is not, or will not be saving any money. They have spent an average of 1 trillion per year more than they have taken in over the last 8 years. It is all stolen money from the surviving children of this generation and the next, if indeed we can even get past this year. The only sick people I know of go to a doctor regularly, and continue to be sick and get sicker. I can't remember seeing any starving people other than on TV commercials originating from other countries. I don't think Social Security, and Obama Care covers those individuals. But I can take down the phone number if you are interested. No use stealing from the next generation, if you can solve the problem from the comfort of your own home. As with the Clinton Foundation, you really can't be sure how much of the money will reach the needy, but hopefully it will keep someone happy. With the Clinton Foundation, I am thinking that I heard around 6% got to the needy.

Like I said before your arguments are quite convincing, Jesus probably forgot to mention in Matthew 25:31-46 that you should help the poor only after making sure grandchildren will be doing OK. You should correct him when he returns so that he understands why you don't want the government to spend any money helping the poor. I am sure he will see your point of view immediately and rewrite those pages in the NT and put you ahead in the queue for entry into heaven (but you will be still after Paul Ryan who believes himself to be the first in line). I am convinced Jesus will return pretty soon, so you don't have long to wait and set him straight.

 

[soulsurvivor]

Self serving? Who then should guide people to the truth? Satan so it won't be self serving? Some terrorist so it won't be self serving? The Trump so it won't be self serving? Who do you think has to say these things to someone? I think sometimes people stayed too long at self service gasoline station and cafeterias. Check it out, if you think it is not good for you - ignore it. Give things a chance - for you.

Sorry, I did not mean to say that you should not guide people if you feel called upon to do so. I just meant that it is pretty self-serving to imagine that by merely being part of a Church you will qualify to enter heaven - that feeding the hungry, healing the sick, welcoming strangers or caring about people in prison was comparatively unimportant.

 

[MHz]

The goats = Not the Church of Christ (Jesus did not describe himself as a goat herder)

Saul was transformed from a goat into a sheep. The odds are Saul was walking along with a the Gospel of Luke and he just happened to say the Lord's prayer and that caused a prophecy from De:4:30 to be fulfilled. (if any were wondering how Paul was chosen?)

 

[MHz]

What has any of that have to do with my request to provide one verse that says, "Christs anointed brothers"?

There was more than one verse that tells you how to get through the two woes that are the 5th and 6th trumps and you don't think they are 'anointed' so just what are they?
The NT has the sheep from Matt:25 as being the children of the light and when the 7th trump sounds that is when the separation takes place and using Zec:13 the split is 1/3 remain alive and see that day arrive as the people in Re:10 see it. the 2/3 that dies are the children of the darkness and that day comes to them in the form of the 7 vials in Re:16 and the 'thief in the night' arrival. If the survivors aren't anointed then who would be??

Re:7:3:
Saying,
Hurt not the earth,
neither the sea,
nor the trees,
till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

Re:9:3-5:
And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth:
and unto them was given power,
as the scorpions of the earth have power.
And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth,
neither any green thing,
neither any tree;
but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
And to them it was given that they should not kill them,
but that they should be tormented five months:
and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion,
when he striketh a man.

In addition to the 144,000 that are sealed the ones found in the Temple in Re:11 are Gentiles who have repented their sins, they eventually are the 1/3of the whole planet that are repented Gentiles on the day of the return.

There are lots of OT references that also point to people being in favor with God.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

There was more than one verse that tells you how to get through the two woes that are the 5th and 6th trumps and you don't think they are 'anointed' so just what are they?
The NT has the sheep from Matt:25 as being the children of the light and when the 7th trump sounds that is when the separation takes place and using Zec:13 the split is 1/3 remain alive and see that day arrive as the people in Re:10 see it. the 2/3 that dies are the children of the darkness and that day comes to them in the form of the 7 vials in Re:16 and the 'thief in the night' arrival. If the survivors aren't anointed then who would be??

Re:7:3:
Saying,
Hurt not the earth,
neither the sea,
nor the trees,
till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

Re:9:3-5:
And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth:
and unto them was given power,
as the scorpions of the earth have power.
And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth,
neither any green thing,
neither any tree;
but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
And to them it was given that they should not kill them,
but that they should be tormented five months:
and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion,
when he striketh a man.

In addition to the 144,000 that are sealed the ones found in the Temple in Re:11 are Gentiles who have repented their sins, they eventually are the 1/3of the whole planet that are repented Gentiles on the day of the return.

There are lots of OT references that also point to people being in favor with God.

You still did not provide ONE verse that says, "Christ's anointed brothers"!

Are there anointed, yes.

Are there brothers of Christ, yes.

But there is not ONE verse that says, "the anointed brothers of Christ".

 

[MHz]

You admit there are many references yet you are still looking for a single verse??

Re:11:3-6:
And I will give power unto my two witnesses,
and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days,
clothed in sackcloth.
These are the two olive trees,
and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
And if any man will hurt them,
fire proceedeth out of their mouth,
and devoureth their enemies:
and if any man will hurt them,
he must in this manner be killed.
These have power to shut heaven,
that it rain not in the days of their prophecy:
and have power over waters to turn them to blood,
and to smite the earth with all plagues,
as often as they will.

Zec:4:2:
And said unto me,
What seest thou?
And I said,
I have looked,
and behold a candlestick all of gold,
with a bowl upon the top of it,
and his seven lamps thereon,
and seven pipes to the seven lamps,
which are upon the top thereof:
Zec:4:3:
And two olive trees by it,
one upon the right side of the bowl,
and the other upon the left side thereof.

Zec:4:10-14:
For who hath despised the day of small things?
for they shall rejoice,
and shall see the plummet in the hand of Zerubbabel with those seven;
they are the eyes of the LORD,
which run to and fro through the whole earth.
Then answered I,
and said unto him,
What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?
And I answered again,
and said unto him,
What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?
And he answered me and said,
Knowest thou not what these be?
And I said,
No,
my lord.
Then said he,
These are the two anointed ones,
that stand by the LORD of the whole earth.

Not enough?

Re:15:2-4:
And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire:
and them that had gotten the victory over the beast,
and over his image,
and over his mark,
and over the number of his name,
stand on the sea of glass,
having the harps of God.
And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God,
and the song of the Lamb,
saying,
Great and marvellous are thy works,
Lord God Almighty;
just and true are thy ways,
thou King of saints.
Who shall not fear thee,
O Lord,
and glorify thy name?
for thou only art holy:
for all nations shall come and worship before thee;
for thy judgments are made manifest.

 

[Muffled]

If you supported and voted for a government, you will get the credit for everything the government does, including helping the 'least of these'.

If you supported and voted for a government that does not help poor people or actually hurts them, then you are complicit too. The government does not murder any babies, so you don't have to worry about taking any blame.

I don't worry about it. I am a born again Christian so there is never any blame.