Beaudreaux
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No no, brother! I am the best holder of your earthly goods. I promise to NEVER give them back. THis will truly SHOW your faith in God to the non believers.
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May 21st 2011
- Thread starter Just_me_Mike
- Start date
stacey bo bacey
oh no you di'int
stacey bo bacey
oh no you di'int
The world will end June 8, 2009...when I turn 22! I AM THE ANTI CHRIST. You have been warned.
The Voice of Reason
Doctor of Thinkology
Might I suggest that, just to be on the safe side, the two of you use me as a go-between?
On the off chance that itwillend might lack that trust in you, Beaudreaux, I would like to offer myself as the buffer for your transaction. I appreciate the magnanimous gesture you are making, in offering to help itwillend divest himself of his earthly possessions, and prove his worthiness to go with God.
Don't make any rash decisions - take your time and consider my offer. I have only your interests at heart.
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The Voice of Reason
Doctor of Thinkology
tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
Yes, I saved that page for later use. hehehe
Just_me_Mike
Well-Known Member
Someone pointed out how the bible says
"But of that day, and hour, no one knoweth; no, not the angels of God in heaven, but my Father only."
You know it is quite immature for someon to point out and pick scripture that support their concerns of views. When we study the bible we have to compare scripture with scripture. If we read a statement like "But of that day, and hour, no one knoweth; no, not the angels of God in heaven, but my Father only." We then have to take that statement and see what the rest of the bible has to say about it.
Let me give you an example. It says in the old testament that all children at a certain age are to be circumcised, no? Well whether you believe in the bible or not, it does say that. Yet later when Jesus came, he fullfilled this requirement by shedding his blood. So we no longer need to do that.
The point being if we were to just read that in the old testament we could conclude we have to do that!
It is the same with the text you quote. You know God does that a lot in the bible so unblievers will sit back and say "A HA". Well turn to the book of 1st Thessalonians CH 5. Where you will read that the Lord will come as a thief in the night for those who are in darkeness, but keep reading. You will see for his children are not in darkeness that that day should take them as a thief in the night.
Also turn to Revelations 3 ch 3.
After you read these come back to me, and tell me that your initial quotation needs to re-addressed. At the very least you will have to conclude maybe what you read is being taken out of context. Which is how the bible is designed. If we don't read the whole thing comparing scripture with scripture, we will never understand.
My goal here is not to say A HA I know more than you. My goal is to genuinely talk about these topics. I don't want to fight, so if I say something that is not scripturally backed up, just let me know.
"But of that day, and hour, no one knoweth; no, not the angels of God in heaven, but my Father only."
You know it is quite immature for someon to point out and pick scripture that support their concerns of views. When we study the bible we have to compare scripture with scripture. If we read a statement like "But of that day, and hour, no one knoweth; no, not the angels of God in heaven, but my Father only." We then have to take that statement and see what the rest of the bible has to say about it.
Let me give you an example. It says in the old testament that all children at a certain age are to be circumcised, no? Well whether you believe in the bible or not, it does say that. Yet later when Jesus came, he fullfilled this requirement by shedding his blood. So we no longer need to do that.
The point being if we were to just read that in the old testament we could conclude we have to do that!
It is the same with the text you quote. You know God does that a lot in the bible so unblievers will sit back and say "A HA". Well turn to the book of 1st Thessalonians CH 5. Where you will read that the Lord will come as a thief in the night for those who are in darkeness, but keep reading. You will see for his children are not in darkeness that that day should take them as a thief in the night.
Also turn to Revelations 3 ch 3.
After you read these come back to me, and tell me that your initial quotation needs to re-addressed. At the very least you will have to conclude maybe what you read is being taken out of context. Which is how the bible is designed. If we don't read the whole thing comparing scripture with scripture, we will never understand.
My goal here is not to say A HA I know more than you. My goal is to genuinely talk about these topics. I don't want to fight, so if I say something that is not scripturally backed up, just let me know.
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Trey of Diamonds
Well-Known Member
Hey! I"M the anti-christ, not you! :fork: Well, I was when I was younger anyway. Now I just practice evil on the weekends and holidays. :devil:
Just_me_Mike
Well-Known Member
Hmm maybe I am at the wrong forum. I am just as open as the next guy or girl when it comes to discussion, but it seems that a lot of what I am reading is just pointless. The forum is for religous discussion right?
Trey of Diamonds
Well-Known Member
Sure, but we like to have a little fun too. I'm still waiting for you to give us more details on this. Where does it say that on May 21st 2011, the lord will return? And by which calendar? Gregorian, Julian, Hebrew?
Just_me_Mike
Well-Known Member
Event Year BC
Creation (about 13,000 yrs. Ago) 11013
Creation of Adam 11013
Birth of Seth. Adam was 130 when Seth was born (Gen. 5:3) 10883
Birth of Enos. Seth was 105 when Enos was born (Gen. 5:6) 10778
End of Enos Period 905 yrs. after his birth (Gen. 5:11), which is the year Kenan was born and which began his period 9873
End of Kenan Period 910 yrs. after his birth (Gen. 5:14). This is the year Mahalaleel was born and the beginning of his period 8963
End of Mahalaleel Period 895 yrs. after his birth (Gen. 5:17). This is the year Jared was born and the beginning of his period 8068
End of Jared Period 962 yrs. after his birth (Gen. 5:20). This is the year Enoch was born and the beginning of his period 7106
End of Enoch Period 365 yrs. after his birth (Gen. 5:23). This is the year Methuselah was born and the beginning of his period 6741
End of Methuselah Period 969 yrs. after his birth (Gen. 5:27). This is the year Lamech was born and the beginning of his period 5772
Birth of Noah. Lamech was 182 when Noah was born (Gen. 5:28-29) 5590
The Flood (about 7,000 years ago). Noah was 600 when the flood came (Gen. 7:6) 4990
Death of Shem 502 years after the flood (Gen. 11:10-11). This is the year Arpachshad was born and the beginning of his period 4488
End of Arpachshad Period 438 years after his birth (Gen. 11:12-13). This is the year Shelah was born and the beginning of his period 5050
End of Shelah Period 433 years after his birth (Gen. 11:14-15). This is the year Eber was born and the beginning of his period 3617
End of Eber Period 464 years after his birth (Gen. 11:16-17). This is the year Peleg was born and
the beginning of his period. 3153
Tower of Babel. During Peleg’s patriarchal period, the division of the continents occurred. The Tower of Babel must have been between these dates (Gen. 10:25) 3153-2914
End of Peleg Period 239 years after his birth (Gen. 11:18-19). This is the year Reu was born and the beginning of his period 2914
End of Reu Period 239 years after this birth (Gen. 11:20-21). This is the year Serug was born and the beginning of his period 2675
End of Serug Period 230 years after his birth (Gen. 11:22-23). This is the year Nahor was born and the beginning of his period 2445
End of Nahor Period 148 years after his birth (Gen. 11:24-25). This is the year Terah was born and the beginning of his period 2297
Birth of Abram to Terah. Terah was 130 yrs. old at the birth of Abram. 2167
Abram Entered Canaan 2092
Circumcision of Abram when he was 99 yrs. of age 2068
Birth of Isaac. Abraham was 100 yrs. of age at the birth of Isaac (Gen. 21:5) 2067
Birth of Jacob. Isaac was 60 years old at birth of Jacob (Gen. 25:26). 2007
1. Jacob arrives in Haran at the age of 60
2. Jacob works for seven years for Rachel and is then married to Leah 67
3. Reuben is born to Leah the following year, when Jacob is 68
4. Simeon is born to Leah when Jacob is 69
5. Levi is born to Leah when Jacob is 70
6. Jacob finishes his second seven-year contract for Rachel when he is 74
7. Jacob works for wages for 20 yrs. In the 17th year of this period, Joseph is born. Jacob is 91
8. At the end of the 20-yr. period, Joseph is weaned and Jacob wishes to leave Haran. He is 94
9. Jacob works for six years longer for his flocks and leaves Haran at age 100
Jacob’s family arrives in Egypt when Jacob is 130 (Gen. 47:9) 1877
This timelie was developed over many years, and I will continue in th next post for fear that I run out of space. I'll pick up from 1877
Creation (about 13,000 yrs. Ago) 11013
Creation of Adam 11013
Birth of Seth. Adam was 130 when Seth was born (Gen. 5:3) 10883
Birth of Enos. Seth was 105 when Enos was born (Gen. 5:6) 10778
End of Enos Period 905 yrs. after his birth (Gen. 5:11), which is the year Kenan was born and which began his period 9873
End of Kenan Period 910 yrs. after his birth (Gen. 5:14). This is the year Mahalaleel was born and the beginning of his period 8963
End of Mahalaleel Period 895 yrs. after his birth (Gen. 5:17). This is the year Jared was born and the beginning of his period 8068
End of Jared Period 962 yrs. after his birth (Gen. 5:20). This is the year Enoch was born and the beginning of his period 7106
End of Enoch Period 365 yrs. after his birth (Gen. 5:23). This is the year Methuselah was born and the beginning of his period 6741
End of Methuselah Period 969 yrs. after his birth (Gen. 5:27). This is the year Lamech was born and the beginning of his period 5772
Birth of Noah. Lamech was 182 when Noah was born (Gen. 5:28-29) 5590
The Flood (about 7,000 years ago). Noah was 600 when the flood came (Gen. 7:6) 4990
Death of Shem 502 years after the flood (Gen. 11:10-11). This is the year Arpachshad was born and the beginning of his period 4488
End of Arpachshad Period 438 years after his birth (Gen. 11:12-13). This is the year Shelah was born and the beginning of his period 5050
End of Shelah Period 433 years after his birth (Gen. 11:14-15). This is the year Eber was born and the beginning of his period 3617
End of Eber Period 464 years after his birth (Gen. 11:16-17). This is the year Peleg was born and
the beginning of his period. 3153
Tower of Babel. During Peleg’s patriarchal period, the division of the continents occurred. The Tower of Babel must have been between these dates (Gen. 10:25) 3153-2914
End of Peleg Period 239 years after his birth (Gen. 11:18-19). This is the year Reu was born and the beginning of his period 2914
End of Reu Period 239 years after this birth (Gen. 11:20-21). This is the year Serug was born and the beginning of his period 2675
End of Serug Period 230 years after his birth (Gen. 11:22-23). This is the year Nahor was born and the beginning of his period 2445
End of Nahor Period 148 years after his birth (Gen. 11:24-25). This is the year Terah was born and the beginning of his period 2297
Birth of Abram to Terah. Terah was 130 yrs. old at the birth of Abram. 2167
Abram Entered Canaan 2092
Circumcision of Abram when he was 99 yrs. of age 2068
Birth of Isaac. Abraham was 100 yrs. of age at the birth of Isaac (Gen. 21:5) 2067
Birth of Jacob. Isaac was 60 years old at birth of Jacob (Gen. 25:26). 2007
1. Jacob arrives in Haran at the age of 60
2. Jacob works for seven years for Rachel and is then married to Leah 67
3. Reuben is born to Leah the following year, when Jacob is 68
4. Simeon is born to Leah when Jacob is 69
5. Levi is born to Leah when Jacob is 70
6. Jacob finishes his second seven-year contract for Rachel when he is 74
7. Jacob works for wages for 20 yrs. In the 17th year of this period, Joseph is born. Jacob is 91
8. At the end of the 20-yr. period, Joseph is weaned and Jacob wishes to leave Haran. He is 94
9. Jacob works for six years longer for his flocks and leaves Haran at age 100
Jacob’s family arrives in Egypt when Jacob is 130 (Gen. 47:9) 1877
This timelie was developed over many years, and I will continue in th next post for fear that I run out of space. I'll pick up from 1877
Just_me_Mike
Well-Known Member
1877 BC. The family of Joseph cam to Egypt and took up residence in the land of Goshen. The city of Avaris (Zoan in the Bible), which later was called Tanis or Qantir, was the capital.
1850 BC. Sesostris III died after an exceedingly successful reign of 38 years. HE was succeeded by another great 12th Dynasty pharaoh named Amenemhet III. Under his reign Joseph continued as Prime Minister. A canal bearing Joseph’s name was constructed at this time.
1806 BC. Joseph died.
1802 BC. Amenemhet III died after a 48-year reign. During his reign Egypt was prosperous, tranquil, and productive. He was succeeded by Amenemhet IV who reigned for 9 years. During his reign, there was much internal strife for royal supremacy.
1791 BC. Amenemhet IV died and succeeded by the last pharaoh of the 12th Dynasty, Sebeknefrure.
1787 BC. Sebeknefrure’s reign of four years ended and with it ended the 12th Dynasty. The 13th Dynasty began. The reigns of succeeding pharaohs were short, and the empire began to dissolve. The Israelites, who no doubt are the "Hyksos" of archaeological fame, took advantage of the internal struggles to acquire a strong hand in the Egyptian government and indeed some of them may have reigned as pharaohs during this period.
1580 BC. (approx.) Several dynasties have ruled over Egypt since 1787 BC. At this time, Ahmose I began to reign as the first king of the 18th Dynasty. He forcibly began to remove the Israelites (Hyksos) from political power. The most war-like Israelites were driven from the land, and the Israelitish nation began to be severely oppressed. Either this pharaoh or a closely succeeding pharaoh such as Thutmose I could well have been the king who "did not know Joseph" (Exod. 1:8).
1560 BC. (approx.) Ahmose I was followed by his son Amenhotep I. Amenhotep I consolidated the gains of his father.
1540-1535 BC. (approx.) Thutmose I began to reign as king. He, too, was a continuation of the 18th Dynasty. He continued and probably intensified the oppressive measures against the Israelites; he was ruling when Moses was born. His animosity towards the Israelites was probably heightened b his troubles with Palestine and Syria. His reign was followed by that of his son Thutmose II.
1527 BC. Moses was born at a time when a royal edict condemned all Hebrew boy babies to be destroyed. Princess Hatshepsut, a daughter of the king, found Moses in the bulrushes and raised him as her son.
1501 BC. Thutmose III began to reign as the greatest king of the 18th Dynasty. For approximately the first 254 years of his reign, he was co-regent with Princess Hatshepsut. She regarded herself as a king and was the dominant ruler during this co-regency.
1487 BC. Moses fled from Egypt. King Hatshepsut, who had raised Moses as her son, sought to kill him because of his evident loyalty for the Israelites.
1481 BC. (approx.) King Hatshepsut died and Thutmose III continued to reign until the time of the Exodus.
1447 BC. Israel went out of Egypt during the reign of Thutmose III. The Exodus was after Israel had been in Egypt for 430 years (Gen. 12:40).
1407 BC. Israel’s entrance into Canaan.
1850 BC. Sesostris III died after an exceedingly successful reign of 38 years. HE was succeeded by another great 12th Dynasty pharaoh named Amenemhet III. Under his reign Joseph continued as Prime Minister. A canal bearing Joseph’s name was constructed at this time.
1806 BC. Joseph died.
1802 BC. Amenemhet III died after a 48-year reign. During his reign Egypt was prosperous, tranquil, and productive. He was succeeded by Amenemhet IV who reigned for 9 years. During his reign, there was much internal strife for royal supremacy.
1791 BC. Amenemhet IV died and succeeded by the last pharaoh of the 12th Dynasty, Sebeknefrure.
1787 BC. Sebeknefrure’s reign of four years ended and with it ended the 12th Dynasty. The 13th Dynasty began. The reigns of succeeding pharaohs were short, and the empire began to dissolve. The Israelites, who no doubt are the "Hyksos" of archaeological fame, took advantage of the internal struggles to acquire a strong hand in the Egyptian government and indeed some of them may have reigned as pharaohs during this period.
1580 BC. (approx.) Several dynasties have ruled over Egypt since 1787 BC. At this time, Ahmose I began to reign as the first king of the 18th Dynasty. He forcibly began to remove the Israelites (Hyksos) from political power. The most war-like Israelites were driven from the land, and the Israelitish nation began to be severely oppressed. Either this pharaoh or a closely succeeding pharaoh such as Thutmose I could well have been the king who "did not know Joseph" (Exod. 1:8).
1560 BC. (approx.) Ahmose I was followed by his son Amenhotep I. Amenhotep I consolidated the gains of his father.
1540-1535 BC. (approx.) Thutmose I began to reign as king. He, too, was a continuation of the 18th Dynasty. He continued and probably intensified the oppressive measures against the Israelites; he was ruling when Moses was born. His animosity towards the Israelites was probably heightened b his troubles with Palestine and Syria. His reign was followed by that of his son Thutmose II.
1527 BC. Moses was born at a time when a royal edict condemned all Hebrew boy babies to be destroyed. Princess Hatshepsut, a daughter of the king, found Moses in the bulrushes and raised him as her son.
1501 BC. Thutmose III began to reign as the greatest king of the 18th Dynasty. For approximately the first 254 years of his reign, he was co-regent with Princess Hatshepsut. She regarded herself as a king and was the dominant ruler during this co-regency.
1487 BC. Moses fled from Egypt. King Hatshepsut, who had raised Moses as her son, sought to kill him because of his evident loyalty for the Israelites.
1481 BC. (approx.) King Hatshepsut died and Thutmose III continued to reign until the time of the Exodus.
1447 BC. Israel went out of Egypt during the reign of Thutmose III. The Exodus was after Israel had been in Egypt for 430 years (Gen. 12:40).
1407 BC. Israel’s entrance into Canaan.
Just_me_Mike
Well-Known Member
The Exodus 447
Enter Canaan 1407
Initial 40-yr. in Canaan 1407-1367
During this period the conquest of
Canaan occurred under Joshua and
Othniel delivered Israel
Next 80-yr. Period in Canaan 1367-1287
During this period Ehud &
Shamgar deliver Israel
Next 40-yr. Period in Canaan 1287-1247
Deborah and Barak were deliverers
during this period
Gideon judged 1247-1207
Abimelech ruled 1207-1204
Tola judged 1204-1181
Jair judged 1181-1159
Jephthah judged 1159-1153
Ibzan judged 1153-1146
Elon judged 1146-1136
Abon judged 1136-1128
Samson judged 1128-1108
Eli judged 1108-1068
Ark in Philistines' hands 1068-1067
Samuel judged 1067-1047
Saul reigned as king 1047-1007
David reigned 1007-967
Solomon reigned 971-931
Foundation of temple laid in fourth
year of Solomon's reign 967
Enter Canaan 1407
Initial 40-yr. in Canaan 1407-1367
During this period the conquest of
Canaan occurred under Joshua and
Othniel delivered Israel
Next 80-yr. Period in Canaan 1367-1287
During this period Ehud &
Shamgar deliver Israel
Next 40-yr. Period in Canaan 1287-1247
Deborah and Barak were deliverers
during this period
Gideon judged 1247-1207
Abimelech ruled 1207-1204
Tola judged 1204-1181
Jair judged 1181-1159
Jephthah judged 1159-1153
Ibzan judged 1153-1146
Elon judged 1146-1136
Abon judged 1136-1128
Samson judged 1128-1108
Eli judged 1108-1068
Ark in Philistines' hands 1068-1067
Samuel judged 1067-1047
Saul reigned as king 1047-1007
David reigned 1007-967
Solomon reigned 971-931
Foundation of temple laid in fourth
year of Solomon's reign 967
Just_me_Mike
Well-Known Member
Rehoboam 931-914 Bad
2. Abijah 914-911 Bad
3. Asa 911-870 Good
4. Jehoshaphat 871-846* Good
5. Jehoram 854-842* Bad
6. Ahaziah 842-841 Bad
7. Athaliah 841-835 Bad
8. Joash 835-795 Good
9. Amaziah 796-767* Good
10. Azariah 789-737* Good (or Uzziah)
11. Jotham 738-718* Good
12. Ahaz 730-714* Bad
13. Hezekiah 715-686 Good
14. Manasseh 697-642 Bad
15. Amon 642-640 Bad
16. Josiah*** 640-609 Good
17. Jehoahaz 609(3 mo.) Bad
18. Jehoiakim 609-598 Bad
19. Jehoiachin 608-597* Bad
20. Zedekiah 597-587 Bad
2. Abijah 914-911 Bad
3. Asa 911-870 Good
4. Jehoshaphat 871-846* Good
5. Jehoram 854-842* Bad
6. Ahaziah 842-841 Bad
7. Athaliah 841-835 Bad
8. Joash 835-795 Good
9. Amaziah 796-767* Good
10. Azariah 789-737* Good (or Uzziah)
11. Jotham 738-718* Good
12. Ahaz 730-714* Bad
13. Hezekiah 715-686 Good
14. Manasseh 697-642 Bad
15. Amon 642-640 Bad
16. Josiah*** 640-609 Good
17. Jehoahaz 609(3 mo.) Bad
18. Jehoiakim 609-598 Bad
19. Jehoiachin 608-597* Bad
20. Zedekiah 597-587 Bad
Just_me_Mike
Well-Known Member
Israel (10 tribes) destroyed 709 BC
Israel (Judah augmented by remnants from 10 tribes)
subdued by Egypt 609 BC
Israel taken into Babylonian captivity and temple
destroyed 587 BC
Babylon conquered by Cyrus, king of Medes and
Persians (under Cyrus first contingent of
Jews returned to Jerusalem) 539 BC
Temple partially rebuilt and rededicated 515 BC
Ezra returned to Jerusalem to reestablish the law 458 BC
Wall rebuilt by Nehemiah 445 BC
SILENCE
Christ was born 7 BC
Christ was baptized 29 AD
Christ died on the cross 33 AD
Jerusalem was destroyed by the Romans 70 AD
Israel (Judah augmented by remnants from 10 tribes)
subdued by Egypt 609 BC
Israel taken into Babylonian captivity and temple
destroyed 587 BC
Babylon conquered by Cyrus, king of Medes and
Persians (under Cyrus first contingent of
Jews returned to Jerusalem) 539 BC
Temple partially rebuilt and rededicated 515 BC
Ezra returned to Jerusalem to reestablish the law 458 BC
Wall rebuilt by Nehemiah 445 BC
SILENCE
Christ was born 7 BC
Christ was baptized 29 AD
Christ died on the cross 33 AD
Jerusalem was destroyed by the Romans 70 AD
Trey of Diamonds
Well-Known Member
Hmmm, I think he's trying to tell us something...
Just_me_Mike
Well-Known Member
All the dates above are specific to the bible and the events inside the bible.
This is something documented over many years, and while this is not the proof, it is imprtant to me explaining how the date is come up with when we talk about May 21st 2011.
So before I begin does anyone have any objections to the date and timelines I have provided thus far. Or do you need further explanation to each date or a particular date?
I'll await any responses before I move on.
This is something documented over many years, and while this is not the proof, it is imprtant to me explaining how the date is come up with when we talk about May 21st 2011.
So before I begin does anyone have any objections to the date and timelines I have provided thus far. Or do you need further explanation to each date or a particular date?
I'll await any responses before I move on.
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Trey of Diamonds
Well-Known Member
My only question is what does a timeline list have to do with your prediction? Also, I ask again, which calendar are you using as your baseline? Hebrew?
Just_me_Mike
Well-Known Member
We have to use all calendars to come up with accurate timetables. In order for us to find harmony we have to know the jewish calendar and be able to realte it to our modern calendar. for example the jewish Calendar did not have as many months as we do. So all of this has to be taken into consideration.
You say you don't see how a timetable helps understand May 21st 2011? Well obviously by me just saying May 21st 2011, you are not satisfied. rightly so.
I have provided you here a timeline of the bible. Not just any timeline, but one specifcally designed out of the bible. You can take this timeline and find everything in the bible. So I think it is very important when we try to understand any event in time, especially if the bible tells us when the end is coming.
You say you don't see how a timetable helps understand May 21st 2011? Well obviously by me just saying May 21st 2011, you are not satisfied. rightly so.
I have provided you here a timeline of the bible. Not just any timeline, but one specifcally designed out of the bible. You can take this timeline and find everything in the bible. So I think it is very important when we try to understand any event in time, especially if the bible tells us when the end is coming.
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Just_me_Mike
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Another thing to consider is in the bible whenever God destroyed something he ALWAYS gave a warning and an exact time it would take place. He did for Naoh, Sodom and Gomorah, also when he was going to destroy the ninevites, though he ended up not destroying them, he told them when it would happen if they did not repent. the did repent though. My point being it is out of character for us to NOT know when God would destroy something, especially when it comes to the end of the world.