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May 21st 2011

Trey of Diamonds

Well-Known Member
And what about the Gregorian and Julian Calendars. Many feel that the Gregorian is a corruption and that the Orthodox Julian calendar is the true religious date. So does he return according to our modern calendar or according to the more Orthodox Julian calendar? Or should we only use the Hebrew calendar and if so, what is May 21st, 2011 according to the Hebrew calendar?
 

Just_me_Mike

Well-Known Member
Good question Trey, but I want to ask you this first. You say that many feel the Gregorian is corrupt. Have you researched this yourself? I only ask because I want to make sure the answer I give is not going to be replied with yet another question from a poster that has not researched their own objections. Not to sound rude, but do you get my point? I have no problem answering your question, and I can only hope you are genuinely interested.
Thanks...
 

Seven

six plus one
So, we have one date according to itwillend, and another as foretold by FFH.
Takin all bets...
 

Trey of Diamonds

Well-Known Member
Good question Trey, but I want to ask you this first. You say that many feel the Gregorian is corrupt. Have you researched this yourself? I only ask because I want to make sure the answer I give is not going to be replied with yet another question from a poster that has not researched their own objections. Not to sound rude, but do you get my point? I have no problem answering your question, and I can only hope you are genuinely interested.
Thanks...

Sure, I know about the differences in the calendars. The Gregorian calendar was altered to be more in line with the seasons while the Julian retained the original dateline. Therefore, Orthodox Christians consider the Gregorian to be a corruption and not the true calendar of Christianity. A simple wiki search will tell you all this.
 

Just_me_Mike

Well-Known Member
Hey Trey, well unfortunately a quick "wiki" search as you put it can give certain information, but the important thing to know is that the Juian calender was not a religious calendar, and the small section of the church that did not want to change to a gregorian calendar was only due to them being use to using it for so long.
That is neither here nor there, the fact of the matter is gregoarian or julian are attempts to divide time in to measurable and predictable pieces. The greagorian did this better. However, when approaching time for the bible and the end of the time, we have much better ways of looking at things. The key to doing this is understanding the ceremonial feasts and festivals of the old testament. These are events that regardless of calendar systems can be tracked and understood so we know a timetable.
To answer your question the gregorian calendar and the hebrew calendar are both used with the feasts and festivals to determine the date.

I will give you an example.

The Biblical ceremonial calendar was governed by the elapsed time from one new moon to the next, which made the Biblical month either 29 or 30 days. By carefully analyzing the time information in the Bible, we learn that the first month of each year began as close to the spring vernal equinox as possible, but no earlier than 14 days before the spring equinox, which is March 21 or March 22.

The first day of the seventh month was a special feast day that theologians call the feast of trumpets. More properly, it should be called the feast of jubilee. (The trumpets that were sounded on that day were not the Biblical silver trumpets.) On that date, it was the “shophar,” the ram’s horn, that was blown. The Bible, when correctly translated, speaks of it as the day of jubilee (Numbers 29:1) or a memorial of the jubilee (Leviticus 23:24).

Every fiftieth year was a jubilee year, which emphasized that the Gospel (liberty) was to be proclaimed to the whole world. The jubilee years began in 1407 B.C. when Israel entered the land of Canaan and were to be observed at 50 year intervals thereafter (Leviticus 25:8-13). Thus, 7 B.C., the year Christ was born, was a jubilee year. And A.D. 1994, which came 2,000 years after 7 B.C., was also a jubilee year. (this 1994 date is important as we move forward in understanding May 21st 2011)

The tenth day of the seventh month was called the day of atonement. It, too, was called a day of jubilee (Leviticus 25:9), and it was looking toward the great event of Jesus providing atonement for the sins of all He came to save.

The next important juncture in God’s salvation program was the day Jesus officially began His work as the Messiah. It was the day He was announced to the world as the Lamb of God who had come to take away the sins of the world. According to our modern calendar, it was September 26, A.D. 29. According to the Biblical calendar, it is the first day of the seventh month, which is the date of the feast of jubilee. We can begin to see the similarities of the announcement of the official beginning of the ministry of Jesus, our jubilee, with a feast of jubilee.
If you study in the Old Testament what the Jubilee was all about it will make much more since why this event ties directly in and even helped predict what Jesus's purpose would be. In other words all roads lead to Jesus. All the ceremonies and feasts point to Jesus.

Later I will go over what happened in 1994 that was so significant.

I will stop here for now, I have a 10 am appointment. I also would like to know if this is even interesting to you? It is a lot of effort on my part, and I want to make sure I am making sense, to some degree. This is a lengthy topic and one that has taken years to fully understand, so please don't expect me to just say a few sentences and all will be enlightened.

Talk to you soon...

 
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Azakel

Liebe ist für alle da
Is that date familiar to anyone on here? I have evidence that God will return that day. No, I am not joking, but I do understand this could open me up to more insulting than I have already received.
Look forward to your replies...

I haven't read all 5 pages yet, and I'm sure it's been said. But doesn't the Bible, the vary book you say you can uses to show use all the date when god will come back to earth say, "That no one will know the day I will return, but only the father".... Though I'm paraphrasing, but basically means the only god himself knows the day, and no one else not even the son does.
 

Enoch07

It's all a sick freaking joke.
Premium Member
Is that date familiar to anyone on here? I have evidence that God will return that day. No, I am not joking, but I do understand this could open me up to more insulting than I have already received.
Look forward to your replies...

I dont have evidence pointing to that day specifically. But if you read the Parable of the Fig Tree it is plausible that God will end this earth age in that general area. Parable of the Fig Tree states that all prophecies will come to pass during the generation of the Fig Tree. Many scholars believe that generation is now (started around the year 1948). Only question is how long is a generation according to God. It its my opinion that a generation is roughly 120 years. Which is the longest a human being can stay alive naturally. So with that math the parable points to between 1948-2068 roughly. I will admit this is just theory as I could have misunderstood somethings but I believe it to be true.
 

Just_me_Mike

Well-Known Member
I haven't read all 5 pages yet, and I'm sure it's been said. But doesn't the Bible, the vary book you say you can uses to show use all the date when god will come back to earth say, "That no one will know the day I will return, but only the father".... Though I'm paraphrasing, but basically means the only god himself knows the day, and no one else not even the son does.
Hi there, yes if you read you will see this was addressed.
Please read Revelation 3:3, and you will see information that gives another point of view. So the conclusion is whenever we find other information about a topic in the bible, we have to compare scripture with scripture to find absolute truth.
If you reason within yourself you will conclude there has to be mor information than the quote of "no one will know the day or the hour" The bible also say that "no one will seek after God" IT doesn't say that no one "could" do these things. It is simply stating without God doing the work no one will do it it or know it.
 

tumbleweed41

Resident Liberal Hippie
The problem I see is that in order to come to this conclusion, one has to assume that the Bible is complete and whole, without change or omission. That each and every verse is, especially those dealing with genealogy, wholly accurate.
Despite the fact that the Pentateuch is believed by Christian and Hebrew scholars, to have been written by Moses, thousands of years after many of the events took place. Although Moses never claimed to have written anything, and the end of the Pentateuch describes Moses's death.
Or that the books included in the Christian Bible were not chosen by God, or Jesus, but by mortal men who took a vote on what was scripture and what was not.
Even the entire Hebrew library of scripture and prophesies are not included in the Bible.
Along with that we have interpretation. I am sure you know from your studies that Harold Camping, who came up with this date, initially claimed in his first book on the coming end times that the date would be towards the end of 1994. Although now those claims are modified to say that Jesus did come in 1994.
Of course, the world did not end, and now, eleven years later, the world is still here. However, during the past eleven years, God has been opening up to many who are studying the Bible considerable additional information which relates to the unfolding of God's salvation plan. When this additional information was integrated into the information which was set forth in the book 1994?, we knew that indeed the year 1994 was an extremely important year. Moreover, we will discover that now, as we understand the Bible, it was the year 1994 in which Christ came a second time to begin the completion of the evangelization of His true people. We also have found considerable evidence that there is a high likelihood that the year 2011 will be the year in which the end will come.
So the interpretation of the first date has been modified to include the original date, and the "new" date.

I am not debating the importance of the Bible to Christian beliefs. Only that human error or omission are likely to throw your calculations into error, as has been done before.
 

Just_me_Mike

Well-Known Member
The problem I see is that in order to come to this conclusion, one has to assume that the Bible is complete and whole, without change or omission. That each and every verse is, especially those dealing with genealogy, wholly accurate.
Despite the fact that the Pentateuch is believed by Christian and Hebrew scholars, to have been written by Moses, thousands of years after many of the events took place. Although Moses never claimed to have written anything, and the end of the Pentateuch describes Moses's death.
Or that the books included in the Christian Bible were not chosen by God, or Jesus, but by mortal men who took a vote on what was scripture and what was not.
Even the entire Hebrew library of scripture and prophesies are not included in the Bible.
Along with that we have interpretation. I am sure you know from your studies that Harold Camping, who came up with this date, initially claimed in his first book on the coming end times that the date would be towards the end of 1994. Although now those claims are modified to say that Jesus did come in 1994.

So the interpretation of the first date has been modified to include the original date, and the "new" date.

I am not debating the importance of the Bible to Christian beliefs. Only that human error or omission are likely to throw your calculations into error, as has been done before.

Thanks tumbleweed. God tells us in the bible that all scipture is of God, that God the Holy spirit moved men as they penned the words.

I would agree that translations are suspect, but we can go back to the hebrew, greek, and aramaic to look at the original words. We can test our translators.

What you don't see is what God is not allowing you to see. the bible is one word cohesive and complete from beginning to end. If you pray to God for understanidng, maybe he will open your eyes.

Talk to you soon
 

tumbleweed41

Resident Liberal Hippie
Thanks tumbleweed. God tells us in the bible that all scipture is of God, that God the Holy spirit moved men as they penned the words.

I would agree that translations are suspect, but we can go back to the hebrew, greek, and aramaic to look at the original words. We can test our translators.

What you don't see is what God is not allowing you to see. the bible is one word cohesive and complete from beginning to end. If you pray to God for understanidng, maybe he will open your eyes.

Talk to you soon
But you ignore the fact that flawed humans wrote the Bible, interpreted the Bible, and voted on what was to be in the Bible. What of that that has been excluded? Not to mention the mistaken interpretations that led to the flawed claim of end times in Harolds first book.

To quote a verse in the Bible to prove that the Bible itself is whole and complete is simply reverse reasoning. The mere fact that the Bible says that it is complete does not make it so.
 

Tristesse

Well-Known Member
Thanks tumbleweed. God tells us in the bible that all scipture is of God, that God the Holy spirit moved men as they penned the words.

I would agree that translations are suspect, but we can go back to the hebrew, greek, and aramaic to look at the original words. We can test our translators.

What you don't see is what God is not allowing you to see. the bible is one word cohesive and complete from beginning to end. If you pray to God for understanidng, maybe he will open your eyes.

Talk to you soon

So, you believe the bible is the perfect word from beginning to end? So, god endorses slavery, stoning unruly children at the edge of town, killing apostates? The only crime in the bible that punishment isn't death, is rape. You just have to pay the rape victims father off, and then you own her. If thats an accurate depiction of gods character, He's the most malicious figure in all fiction.
 

Just_me_Mike

Well-Known Member
But you ignore the fact that flawed humans wrote the Bible, interpreted the Bible, and voted on what was to be in the Bible. What of that that has been excluded? Not to mention the mistaken interpretations that led to the flawed claim of end times in Harolds first book.

To quote a verse in the Bible to prove that the Bible itself is whole and complete is simply reverse reasoning. The mere fact that the Bible says that it is complete does not make it so.

Tumbleweed, from your perspective you are 100% correct. From God's persepctive, it is God's word. He chooses whom he will let undertand his word, and that person can take no credit for it at all. the bible was written so it would appear to the unsaved to be foolishness. However when God openes your eyes, it is a very humbling experience.
 

Just_me_Mike

Well-Known Member
So, you believe the bible is the perfect word from beginning to end? So, god endorses slavery, stoning unruly children at the edge of town, killing apostates? The only crime in the bible that punishment isn't death, is rape. You just have to pay the rape victims father off, and then you own her. If thats an accurate depiction of gods character, He's the most malicious figure in all fiction.
TRISTESSE you mention events and things that have happened, but you have taken them completely out of context. If there is a particular section you would like to discuss so we can look further into the matter, I would love to.
As is, we can say a fwe bad words, and a fews things that have happened, and come to all sorts of conclusions.
 

Trey of Diamonds

Well-Known Member
TRISTESSE you mention events and things that have happened, but you have taken them completely out of context. If there is a particular section you would like to discuss so we can look further into the matter, I would love to.

How about discussing the sections that Tristesse mentioned? If the bible is the inerrant word of God then how do you reconcile the instructions to take slaves, concubines and have multiple wives. How do you reconcile stoning as a punishment?
 

Tristesse

Well-Known Member
TRISTESSE you mention events and things that have happened, but you have taken them completely out of context. If there is a particular section you would like to discuss so we can look further into the matter, I would love to.
As is, we can say a fwe bad words, and a fews things that have happened, and come to all sorts of conclusions.

Taken it out of context? are you serious? How, how could that be taken out of context? and these aren't things that have happened, well, some of them are, but I was pointing out the things your bible condones. I personally believe it's nothing more than fiction, but you happen to believe it's perfect from start to finish, and I was showing you, if thats what you think, we'd all be advised to stay clear of you.
 

tumbleweed41

Resident Liberal Hippie
Tumbleweed, from your perspective you are 100% correct. From God's persepctive, it is God's word. He chooses whom he will let undertand his word, and that person can take no credit for it at all. the bible was written so it would appear to the unsaved to be foolishness. However when God openes your eyes, it is a very humbling experience.

But to the saved it is understood, complete and whole, with no contradictions?
 

Just_me_Mike

Well-Known Member
Taken it out of context? are you serious? How, how could that be taken out of context? and these aren't things that have happened, well, some of them are, but I was pointing out the things your bible condones. I personally believe it's nothing more than fiction, but you happen to believe it's perfect from start to finish, and I was showing you, if thats what you think, we'd all be advised to stay clear of you.

Hmm so now I am a rapist? Come on, you have to be smarter than that. Once man fell from God, all things of evil were possible. In the beginning were shown a tree of Good and Evil, once we ate of that tree, we would from that point onward have to face both good and evil. God says the wages of sin is death.

What you are saying is that God teaches rape is OK as long as you pay the fathers victim off. Again I think we need to be more specific to have a coversation about this.
 

Just_me_Mike

Well-Known Member
But to the saved it is understood, complete and whole, with no contradictions?
Kind of true, but just because someone is saved, it is not that they understand everything right away. However they begin to understand, some faster than others. That is upto God. It is a finite creature trying to understand an infinite God.
 
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