Ahuramazda and Yahweh are similar in some respects but very different in others. I definitely wouldn't say they have the same attributes all-round.
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Mazda & Yahweh: the same god?
- Thread starter The Emperor of Mankind
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Ahuramazda and Yahweh are similar in some respects but very different in others. I definitely wouldn't say they have the same attributes all-round.
Sand Dancer
Currently catless
I think Ahura Mazda definitely influenced the idea for Yahweh. although Yahweh was originally just a tribal warrior deity.
NewChapter
GiveMeATicketToWork
So what's it like to have a God named after an automobile?
"Mazda."
"Mazda."
The Emperor of Mankind
Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
The Emperor of Mankind
Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
That isn't an answer to the question I asked. I'm not asking about linguistic connections; I'm asking about theological ones.
matthew_/!/
Member
Not a funny joke to throw around on a religion forum
The car was named after our God, so nuh nuh.
And I actually think it's really cool tbh.
NewChapter
GiveMeATicketToWork
was that a joke?
I was being serious...sorry if any offense was taken; none was meant.
NewChapter
GiveMeATicketToWork
I wasn't joking or throwing anything...haha.
I was being serious and I didn't mean any offense.
NewChapter
GiveMeATicketToWork
The Emperor of Mankind
Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic
Don't worry; you didn't offend me. I just couldn't tell if you were serious or not.
matthew_/!/
Member
Yeah I realize that now. At the time I thought it was as an insult
firedragon
Veteran Member
May I ask why they are so different?
Ahura Mazda (Lord Wise) and El or Elohim, Ellaha, Allah, and many other names are given to refer to a concept with the same general concept and deeds, the God of Everything, Creator of thr World(s).
One can review names and epithets of these to see similarities.
If someone in one country refers to the Sun in their language and another to the Sun in a different language, we determine if the same concept is being referred to by the way the descriptions of the Being and its Acts are described.
Each of these terms seems to refer to One and the same God and general concept, despite any minor differences or associated concepts or symbols, they are all supposed to and thought ti refer to the Creator and Judge who brings Justice and Issues Decrees and Teaches Goodness and Righteous Conduct.
The epithets and themes associated with each term for God give one the impression the same concept is being referred to, just like if different languages were being used to speak of anything else mutually intelligible between them, like the Sky or Water, the idea of the Supreme God was quite common across the world.
Some things for you to enjoy!
Resources:
Jewish (EL):
Names of God in Judaism
More Information:
Old Testament Understand of the Names of God | Xenos Christian Fellowship
Suffix El:
Hebrew names that end on El
Prefix El:
Hebrew names that start with El
Suffix Yah:
Hebrew names that end on Yah
Prefix Yah:
Hebrew names that start with Yah
General Names:
Biblical (All) Names - Behind the Name
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Yazatas:
Zoroastrianism - Catalogs - Yazatas - Citizendium
and
ANGELS: Zoroastrian
Daevas:
The Destructive Spirit and the Daevas in the early Gathic Avestan Worldview
Angels:
20000-NAMES.COM: Angel Names, Messenger Names--meaning, origin, etymology
Demons:
375 Male Demon Names & Meanings | Demon Names
Massive Esoteric Occult List:
Index of Angel names, magical words, and names of God
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Christian (Elaha):
https://christiananswers.net/dictionary/namesofgod.html
Islamic (Allah):
99 Names of Allah (Al Asma Ul Husna) - Meaning & Explanation
Zoroastrian (Ahura Mazda):
AHURAMAZDA.COM - ZOROASTRIAN WEBSITE
Vedic:
100 Names of God
Saivite (Shiva):
Shiva's Names - 108 Shiva Names With Meanings
Vaisnavite (Vishnu):
1000 NAMES OF LORD VISHNU WITH MEANINGS.
Avalokitesvara:
108 names of Avalokiteshvara for Love, Kindness, and Compassion – Mandalas Life
Forged Letters Representing Early Islam and Late Sassanid Zoroastrianism:
http://archive.worldhistoria.com/le...hattab-and-yazdegerd-iii_topic4735_page1.html
One can review names and epithets of these to see similarities.
If someone in one country refers to the Sun in their language and another to the Sun in a different language, we determine if the same concept is being referred to by the way the descriptions of the Being and its Acts are described.
Each of these terms seems to refer to One and the same God and general concept, despite any minor differences or associated concepts or symbols, they are all supposed to and thought ti refer to the Creator and Judge who brings Justice and Issues Decrees and Teaches Goodness and Righteous Conduct.
The epithets and themes associated with each term for God give one the impression the same concept is being referred to, just like if different languages were being used to speak of anything else mutually intelligible between them, like the Sky or Water, the idea of the Supreme God was quite common across the world.
Some things for you to enjoy!
Resources:
Jewish (EL):
Names of God in Judaism
More Information:
Old Testament Understand of the Names of God | Xenos Christian Fellowship
Suffix El:
Hebrew names that end on El
Prefix El:
Hebrew names that start with El
Suffix Yah:
Hebrew names that end on Yah
Prefix Yah:
Hebrew names that start with Yah
General Names:
Biblical (All) Names - Behind the Name
-------
Yazatas:
Zoroastrianism - Catalogs - Yazatas - Citizendium
and
ANGELS: Zoroastrian
Daevas:
The Destructive Spirit and the Daevas in the early Gathic Avestan Worldview
Angels:
20000-NAMES.COM: Angel Names, Messenger Names--meaning, origin, etymology
Demons:
375 Male Demon Names & Meanings | Demon Names
Massive Esoteric Occult List:
Index of Angel names, magical words, and names of God
--------
Christian (Elaha):
https://christiananswers.net/dictionary/namesofgod.html
Islamic (Allah):
99 Names of Allah (Al Asma Ul Husna) - Meaning & Explanation
Zoroastrian (Ahura Mazda):
AHURAMAZDA.COM - ZOROASTRIAN WEBSITE
Vedic:
100 Names of God
Saivite (Shiva):
Shiva's Names - 108 Shiva Names With Meanings
Vaisnavite (Vishnu):
1000 NAMES OF LORD VISHNU WITH MEANINGS.
Avalokitesvara:
108 names of Avalokiteshvara for Love, Kindness, and Compassion – Mandalas Life
Forged Letters Representing Early Islam and Late Sassanid Zoroastrianism:
http://archive.worldhistoria.com/le...hattab-and-yazdegerd-iii_topic4735_page1.html
Native
Free Natural Philosopher & Comparative Mythologist
Mazda & Yahweh: the same god?
Just as today, religion and "secular interests" also were mixed together in ancient times. In fact, religion and "politics" were once the very same. And of course there have been religious migration influences in nearby cultures.
History and Creation
In the historic sense, it is also interesting where and when a religious cultural telling occurred and what names were given to their prime deities in a certain culture. But when it comes to desciding if some deities were the same in different cultures, I think one has to "go to the sources", i.e. to every cultures Stories of Creation and this is very different to place historically as they all had an oral tradition period long before the written stories.
But this shouldn´t really be that difficult to decide if studying the concepts of Comparative Religion, Comparative Mythology (Mythological Category) and Creation Myths (List of Creation Myths).
IMO it is logical to conclude that The Creation is made by the same creative forces, no matter where you live on the small terrestrial part of the larger creation. If deciding any similarities between prime cultural deities, one have to focus on the prime gods/goddesses who are described in each cultural creation story.
Using this method, it is obvious to me that Mazda and Jahweh represent the same force of creation and one can find lots of other cultural gods and goddesses who are similar, and the historic facts is sort of irrelevant as we are dealing with the start of the creation itself.
The extend of the Creation
A big question to me is: When speaking of "The Creation" in different cultures, what are the ancient perceptive extend of the creation? Did our ancestors spoke of a creation of the entire Universe or just the observable part of it as seen from the Earth?
I think the latter is the case and if so, the cultural Stories of Creation could at the largest only concern our Milky Way and subsequently the Solar System. Many cultures had a description of the pre-conditions in the creation, followed up by a description of the initial result of a "coming together" of the pre-conditional elements and qualities (Cosmic gas and dust = Primeval Waters).
In most cultures, this "chaotic coming together of primeval elements" resulted initially in a Strong Light of Creation and if the cultural creation stories only concerns the local observable part of the Universe, this initial Light must be located in a center which became the Milky Way, mythologically called the Cosmic Mound, from where the creation in our Milky Way took of.
An Egyptian example of the Creation
The Egyptian story of creation, the Ogdoad, has 4 pairs of deities and elementary qualities which existed latent in the Primeval Waters. These came whirling together in a center and resulted in the "first fiery entity", named Ra, scholarly interpreted as the Sun, but this cannot be true.
When looking of the "familiarity" between Ra and Goddess Hathor, it is written that Hathor is the daugther of Ra and Hathor resembles the arching Milky Way contours on the southern hemisphere. Taking this familiarity and celestial location seriously, it is obvious and illogical that the Sun can "be the creative father" to this Milky Way contour.
The "Solar Confusion"
This religious, mythical, astronomical and cosmological misconception of the prime light in the creation stories, of course has huge implications when it comes to a genuine understanding of the ancient myths. There´s a big difference between interpreting the Prime Light of creation as the Sun or as the Central Light in the Milky Way.
This scholarly "Solar confusion" is "all over the places". It is in the interpretations and descriptions of cultural prime mythical deities in all cultures and this "Solar confusion" is also taken as the fact and written in all kinds of encyclopedia.
When priests, scholars and laymen have no ideas of the religious; mythological and cosmological connection to the Milky Way and it´s central luminosity, they have no other options left but to wrongly interpret the Prime Light as the Sun.
The ancient World Perception
To me it is evident that several cultures had/have the conviction of a cyclical and eternal Universe in where everything eternally undergoes a cycle of creation, a dissolution and a re-creation. Such a cyclical perception of course dismisses the idea of a Big Bang and IMO the cyclical perception is much more logical compared to the modern linear perception of everything. Here modern cosmology really could learn a lot from our ancestors.
Regards
Native
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Just as today, religion and "secular interests" also were mixed together in ancient times. In fact, religion and "politics" were once the very same. And of course there have been religious migration influences in nearby cultures.
History and Creation
In the historic sense, it is also interesting where and when a religious cultural telling occurred and what names were given to their prime deities in a certain culture. But when it comes to desciding if some deities were the same in different cultures, I think one has to "go to the sources", i.e. to every cultures Stories of Creation and this is very different to place historically as they all had an oral tradition period long before the written stories.
But this shouldn´t really be that difficult to decide if studying the concepts of Comparative Religion, Comparative Mythology (Mythological Category) and Creation Myths (List of Creation Myths).
IMO it is logical to conclude that The Creation is made by the same creative forces, no matter where you live on the small terrestrial part of the larger creation. If deciding any similarities between prime cultural deities, one have to focus on the prime gods/goddesses who are described in each cultural creation story.
Using this method, it is obvious to me that Mazda and Jahweh represent the same force of creation and one can find lots of other cultural gods and goddesses who are similar, and the historic facts is sort of irrelevant as we are dealing with the start of the creation itself.
The extend of the Creation
A big question to me is: When speaking of "The Creation" in different cultures, what are the ancient perceptive extend of the creation? Did our ancestors spoke of a creation of the entire Universe or just the observable part of it as seen from the Earth?
I think the latter is the case and if so, the cultural Stories of Creation could at the largest only concern our Milky Way and subsequently the Solar System. Many cultures had a description of the pre-conditions in the creation, followed up by a description of the initial result of a "coming together" of the pre-conditional elements and qualities (Cosmic gas and dust = Primeval Waters).
In most cultures, this "chaotic coming together of primeval elements" resulted initially in a Strong Light of Creation and if the cultural creation stories only concerns the local observable part of the Universe, this initial Light must be located in a center which became the Milky Way, mythologically called the Cosmic Mound, from where the creation in our Milky Way took of.
An Egyptian example of the Creation
The Egyptian story of creation, the Ogdoad, has 4 pairs of deities and elementary qualities which existed latent in the Primeval Waters. These came whirling together in a center and resulted in the "first fiery entity", named Ra, scholarly interpreted as the Sun, but this cannot be true.
When looking of the "familiarity" between Ra and Goddess Hathor, it is written that Hathor is the daugther of Ra and Hathor resembles the arching Milky Way contours on the southern hemisphere. Taking this familiarity and celestial location seriously, it is obvious and illogical that the Sun can "be the creative father" to this Milky Way contour.
The "Solar Confusion"
This religious, mythical, astronomical and cosmological misconception of the prime light in the creation stories, of course has huge implications when it comes to a genuine understanding of the ancient myths. There´s a big difference between interpreting the Prime Light of creation as the Sun or as the Central Light in the Milky Way.
This scholarly "Solar confusion" is "all over the places". It is in the interpretations and descriptions of cultural prime mythical deities in all cultures and this "Solar confusion" is also taken as the fact and written in all kinds of encyclopedia.
When priests, scholars and laymen have no ideas of the religious; mythological and cosmological connection to the Milky Way and it´s central luminosity, they have no other options left but to wrongly interpret the Prime Light as the Sun.
The ancient World Perception
To me it is evident that several cultures had/have the conviction of a cyclical and eternal Universe in where everything eternally undergoes a cycle of creation, a dissolution and a re-creation. Such a cyclical perception of course dismisses the idea of a Big Bang and IMO the cyclical perception is much more logical compared to the modern linear perception of everything. Here modern cosmology really could learn a lot from our ancestors.
Regards
Native
Native
Free Natural Philosopher & Comparative Mythologist
Excuse me for jumping around in the thread. I became just aware of these replies :
And:
Obviously so. But such conflicts are only human disagreements based on all kinds of perceptions and interpretations - not to mention priestly and political manipulations - of their respective and otherwise common deities.
xiqhanjzi
New Member
hi. my name is xi qhan jzi. ahura mazda is a name i have gone by. so was YHWH. ahura mazda is actually a phrase "hurry, master" YHWH is also a phrase, "you wait, here" as in the movie, XMEN: Apocalypse by 20th Century Fox Studio (trailer below), Apocalypse says in the movie trailer "I have gone by many names" and cite "Ra, YHWH, Krishna" See for yourself in this trailer. I could cite some internet evidence, but the simplest is this. "I have gone by many names, Ra, YHWH, Krishna" If thats true, and it is, Ra and YHWH are the same. Is Ra Ahura Mazda? A. hu. "Ra." Its in the name. Ra is in the name of Ahura Mazda. = Ahura Mazda = YHWH.
couple side notes to mention. YHWH is not God. Aten is. He has been referred to as Zeus, however, this was because ancient greek gods, many of whom turned out to be vicious vampires, refused to allow him to use the name of Aten. For example, there was a "goddess" who adopted the name of Athena, and did so to as a form of early identity theft. Why? Because by taking the name Athen, she was attempting to curry support among broad masses, which was directed to Aten previously. Aten is God. The Judeo Christian God. #catholicforever @lilpeep is Aten.
Below is a picture of lil peep. Notice on his sweater, you see a representation of the Sun, and 14 rays from the sun discs. This is not coincidental.
Below is a depiction of Aten, according to credible, verifiable, Ancient Egyptian records/documents.
"The Living Aten"