me thinks i know how they got him down

[cataway]

the bible does tell us how and to what Jesus was nailed to . it all was stood .he died . he was taken down and put into a tomb.


standing it up, its harder than you may think. the weight of the man is on one side ,makes it unbalanced load . i have stood poles ,many of them. most poles can be stood by two men ,20 footers were common. its not likely that Jesus was hung on a twenty foot pole . we know it was a common practice to break the legs after a few hours if the one hung up was not dead. which means the legs had to be within reach from the ground.
how did they get him down? it was all was stood ....it could be laid down

 

[IndigoChild5559]

the bible does tell us how and to what Jesus was nailed to . it all was stood .he died . he was taken down and put into a tomb.


standing it up, its harder than you may think. the weight of the man is on one side ,makes it unbalanced load . i have stood poles ,many of them. most poles can be stood by two men ,20 footers were common. its not likely that Jesus was hung on a twenty foot pole . we know it was a common practice to break the legs after a few hours if the one hung up was not dead. which means the legs had to be within reach from the ground.
how did they get him down? it was all was stood ....it could be laid down

I am not a historian, but what I've read says that most crucifixions lasted for days. The reason the legs were broken the day of Jesus' crucifixion was because the next day was the Shabbat. The bodies needed to be buried before sunset.

I have no idea how they got people up and down from a cross. But given that crucifixion was so frequent, I'm sure they were very good at it.

 

[Viker]

the bible does tell us how and to what Jesus was nailed to . it all was stood .he died . he was taken down and put into a tomb.


standing it up, its harder than you may think. the weight of the man is on one side ,makes it unbalanced load . i have stood poles ,many of them. most poles can be stood by two men ,20 footers were common. its not likely that Jesus was hung on a twenty foot pole . we know it was a common practice to break the legs after a few hours if the one hung up was not dead. which means the legs had to be within reach from the ground.
how did they get him down? it was all was stood ....it could be laid down

What goes up must or will come down.

 

[ChristineM]

Romans used an X cross with an arm and a leg nailed to each arm of the X. The X was laid on the ground, the victim laid on top and was nailed down, the X them push almost upright with a piece of wood propping it up behind.

No holes needed digging in the ground and easy to put up and down.

I've never seen any contemporary record of the the Romans using the Christian idea of the cross.

Though that would really mess up the christian symbol of crucifixion and people would call them Xtians.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Romans used an X cross with an arm and a leg nailed to each arm of the X. The X was laid on the ground, the victim laid on top and was nailed down, the X them push almost upright with a piece of wood propping it up behind.

No holes needed digging in the ground and easy to put up and down.

I've never seen any contemporary record of the the Romans using the Christian idea of the cross.

Though that would really mess up the christian symbol of crucifixion and people would call them Xtians.

Plus Nails weren't always used. Most of the time they were just affixed to the cross with bindings and left to die to the elements.

 

[cataway]

I am not a historian, but what I've read says that most crucifixions lasted for days. The reason the legs were broken the day of Jesus' crucifixion was because the next day was the Shabbat. The bodies needed to be buried before sunset.

I have no idea how they got people up and down from a cross. But given that crucifixion was so frequent, I'm sure they were very good at it.

lasting for days would depend on how a person was hung .simply tying a person to a tree ,no water would kill them in a few days .

there was a law in Israel

Deuteronomy 21:22-23​

22 “If a man has committed a sin worthy of death and he is put to death, and you hang him on a tree, 23 his corpse shall not hang all night on the tree, but you shall surely bury him on the same day (for he who is hanged is accursed of God), so that you do not defile your land which the Lord your God gives you as an inheritance.​

 

[cataway]

i would like to see the tools used back then to remove nails . today i have all the tools needed to remove nails . not one of them would i like to use at the top of a ladder!
what ever way one would be hung up it would have to be laid down to get the nails out
after it was laid down it would not be stood again until there was a needed to execute another person
if you have seen a standing empty cross its a lie

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Deuteronomy 21:22-23​

22 “If a man has committed a sin worthy of death and he is put to death, and you hang him on a tree, 23 his corpse shall not hang all night on the tree, but you shall surely bury him on the same day (for he who is hanged is accursed of God), so that you do not defile your land which the Lord your God gives you as an inheritance.​

This refers to hanging, not crucifixion. Jews didn't crucify people.

 

[cataway]

This refers to hanging, not crucifixion. Jews didn't crucify people.

Ezra 6:11​

I have also issued an order that if anyone violates this decree, a timber will be pulled out of his house and he will be lifted up and fastened to it, and his house will be turned into a public latrine for this offense.

 

[cataway]

does a crucifixion require that a pole with a cross bar, up near the top of the pole ,be use to called it a crucifixion?

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Ezra 6:11​

I have also issued an order that if anyone violates this decree, a timber will be pulled out of his house and he will be lifted up and fastened to it, and his house will be turned into a public latrine for this offense.

Again, not crucifixion. Crucifixion didn't become a form of execution until the Roman era.

Here is Rashi's commentary on the phrase:
וביתה נולו יתעבד. וביתו יעשה אשפה על כך:
and a gallows upon which to place him And a gallows upon which to hang him shall be [raised up] high, so that he be hanged upon the gallows.

 

[cataway]

actually destined to drop a person who would then come to an abrupt stop because of a rope around the victims neck. if dropped to far the head would come off.

or dropped just enough so that they would be strangled to death... gallows does not fit in the case of Jesus

 

[cataway]

the issue is how was it stood up ,,how was he taken down? church's would tell you ladders were used to reach the nails . maybe six ladders ?sounds silly ,one ladder would be even more silly

 

[cataway]

what reasons do you have, to say there would be a standing cross with no one nailed to it?

 

[cataway]

what reasons do you have, to say there would be a standing cross with no one nailed to it?

ah, that's the thing .there would be no reason to leave a cross standing if no man was nailed to it .



no reason than to make a shrine out of it

 

[IndigoChild5559]

the issue is how was it stood up ,,how was he taken down? church's would tell you ladders were used to reach the nails . maybe six ladders ?sounds silly ,one ladder would be even more silly

The Greek of the gospels specifically uses the word for crucifixion. My assumption is that they would tie or nail the person to the cross while it was on the ground, then lift the whole thing up.

 

[ppp]

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actually destined to drop a person who would then come to an abrupt stop because of a rope around the victims neck. if dropped to far the head would come off.

or dropped just enough so that they would be strangled to death... gallows does not fit in the case of Jesus

Well, that is creepifying/.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

what reasons do you have, to say there would be a standing cross with no one nailed to it?

Intimidation.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The Greek of the gospels specifically uses the word for crucifixion. My assumption is that they would tie or nail the person to the cross while it was on the ground, then lift the whole thing up.

No doubt. It would be very difficult, dangerous even, to hang someone up on an already erect cross.
If I remembered correctly the arms were already attached to the center beam and the condemned hoisted and affixed to the vertical beam.

 

[cataway]

there are things we don't know .was the wood squared off or was it round like that of a tree.how tall when it was when stood . what about the nails ,made of iron ? how long the nails?how did the nails get removed ?
one thing I do know is that people don't like it when ya tell them Jesus was removed after it was all laid down.so much for a standing cross with no one nailed to it.