Secret Chief
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I find that rather perturbing.
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Oh, I do hope nobody is trying to "take over." There's gotta be room for everybody.
More insults. More atheophobia.
He's kidding, but you still give a hostile comment and turn this into something ugly and confrontational. Maybe it's you that needs to get a life.
I guess it's considered OK to insult atheists but there is hell to pay if a theist is insulted or even perceives insult where none was intended. Threads are started, pearls are clutched, and the evil atheist is demeaned and made to feel unwelcome.
That's fine. We're all used to this kind of demonization and marginalization. It's been going on for millennia.
But the worm is turning. Every decade, atheism is more socially acceptable, and these religions are seen as hateful and irrelevant in young people's lives. More and more, people are speaking out against such religions and the hatred they teach in the name of love as I am doing now.
It's no secret by now to anybody familiar with my posting that I find these religions to be a net detriment to society, and this is in part why. Why should atheists be happy about institutions that demean them like this or not point out what they actually are and do in response to them doing it?
Do you think that you and they are entitled to treat atheists disrespectfully simply because atheists don't have or need a god belief or a religion and debate with believers. Do you think that atheists should respect these religions or the people carrying water for them?
"The problem with being privileged your whole life is that because you have had that privilege for so long, equality starts to look like oppression." - Mark Caddo
"Religion is innately backward, obscurantist, irrational and dangerous. Backward, because it relies not on reason for solutions, but on looking to ancient texts for ready-made answers. Obscurantist, because it discourages searching for truths about our world using empirical methods. Irrational, because (for starters) the very notion that this or that shepherd or merchant ages ago was chosen by a divine being to deliver a message valid eternally and for all humanity offends reason and commonsense. Dangerous, because (again, just for starters), armed with holy texts, the faithful practice all sorts of mischief and savagery, damaging both members of their own communities and those outside them." - Jeffrey Tayler
We Never Know
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You really don't understand what was wrong with that prissy little lecture you gave in that thread huh?
firedragon
Veteran Member
The problem with this statement is scientism. Many or most atheists in this forum make the category error and are adamant not even begin to understand that they are going against the very philosophy of science they stand by.
Not as much as your goal to read jokes literally.
Because I was joking.
Why assume it’s boring?
It must be because I’m actually Donald J Trump, and I approve this message.
But you are part of the alliance and a traitor, just like Princess Leah. You don’t want to give in to the dark side do you?
RF doesn't have a dark side (can't afford the plug-in).
We do have a dim side though.
Come to the dim side @F1fan.
You obviously meant Dim Sum, so I’m in.
The only times I find anyone to be "toxic" is when they try to refute valid arguments using nothing but unsubstantiated claims. Because they have not supported their claims with anything, it makes it impossible to have a civilized discussion -- all one is left with is "is not," "is too," "is not," "is too!" Which is, as I'm sure you know, perfectly designed to lead to nowhere.
My remedy for those people is to put them on ignore. I simply don't want to waste my time in futility. People who disagree with me, but make and support their arguments, are -- to me -- perfectly enjoyable to dialogue with. Even more so if we can respond directly and fairly to each other's argument. This is where learning starts to happen.
You don't see how your comment is offensive and demeaning? The man made a joke and you turned it into something it wasn't, that he was doing something he didn't have a right to do, and implied that his life must be boring to do what he chooses to do here.
Prissy? More personal insult.
Your words were, "In a discussion forum people should have to defend and beliefs against questioning and polite challenges. They shouldn't have to defend them against insults," and here you are doing exactly that.
Incidentally, I agreed with that but you didn't see fit to respond except with insult. If you had a valid objection to my post - a specific objection and an argument to support it- you should have made it here rather than just leave your gratuitous insult.
It's amazing to me that it is the skeptics who are seen as the insulters, attackers and at war, when they simply debate ideas while dealing with continual disrespectful cant from their detractors - people like you.
My comments were not attacks on people, just some of their beliefs (although that is subject to revision following gratuitous insulting). I didn't insult you, but you couldn't return the favor.
Secret Chief
Veteran Member
Errrr... I'm just not into group takeovers. I see RF as a disparate group of individuals. I'm not in anybody's team.
Augustus
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You really don't understand what was wrong with that prissy little lecture you gave in that thread huh?
“Of course what I say is different because I am objectively right and they are stupid and wrong…”
Alien826
No religious beliefs
I've been on several forums (fora?) that were much more "toxic" than this one. One in particular, I used to be on for a long time, then I went back to it to see how it was going and fairly quickly left. It had become so extreme politically that threads about just about anything seemed to include digs at Biden and "lefties".
Now why was it OK before and not later? It had very toxic areas all along. It seems to come down to a simple question. If I subtracted all the toxic stuff, was there anything left that I could join in with? Originally the answer was "yes", later it was "no".
For me RF definitely fits in the first category, with plenty of space for me to enjoy debate and only a small amount to ignore. I guess it's just not a good fit for some people. No problem with that, just move on, it's a big internet.
From my perspective, asking why people who don't like religion would participate in a forum about religion is a lot like asking why people who don't like climate change would participate in a forum about climate change.
As soon as religions stop imposing themselves on people who don't want them, I expect you'll see the non-religious membership here drop off.
We Never Know
No Slack
You must be a very fragile individual. Asking if life is boring set you off into a two post, I'm the victim so pity me rant.
Cheers
We Never Know
No Slack
Nah. I see it more as if you aren't gay why hang out in a gay bar and argue with them about their life.
We Never Know
No Slack
As for a I know you were serious. Nothing pointed to a joke. No lol or smiley
Didn't assume. Asked
No, I'm like you: If someone suggests that I may have done something wrong I immediately shut my eyes and ears and begin working on a way to spin it into something nobel.
Well if you can think of a better adjective let me know. It was just the first thing that popped into my head.
Except that I'm not insulting your beliefs, I'm insulting your attitude.
You still haven't answered my question. Which is okay I guess because it was mostly rhetorical.
If I thought it would have done any good.
I'm pretty sure it would have been a wasted effort.
Or I could have just told you what I was really thinking, but you wouldn't have been able to hear half of it, and you wouldn't have been able to handle the other half.
"Detractors'? Wait, Don't you mean Infidels?
How exactly is calling somebody 'fragile" an attack on their beliefs?
And how is telling somebody who's been here for more than 12 years, and who spent most of that time working for the place for free that they don't belong here an "attack on their beliefs"?
For that matter, how is going into someone's farewell thread and basically spending an entire post poking them with a stick and going, "nayh, nayh, nayh, nayh, nayh", anything but a lot of adolescent gloating over the suffering of someone who's only crime against you was to adopt a belief system that you don't "approve" of?
Btw, @Rival is anything but fragile.
Maybe you should take a look at your own reactions.
(I'll sit here and hold my breath)
I don't need any favors from you, thanks.
Seriously now, it's pretty obvious to me at this point that you're the kind of person who believes their own b*******.
It's impossible to have a constructive conversation with somebody like that, especially when they are the topic.