So we should accept whatever we are told?
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Memories Vs Experience of God
- Thread starter SalixIncendium
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So we should accept whatever we are told?
I'm a simple bloke, I prefer simple single layered answers.
To simplify my answer:
I explained how I feel God's presence. To simplify it, I experience God's presence within me as Truth and I find God's presence in the world around me.
As the song put it:
To me that's just an interpretation of how you feel, I see nothing supernatural about it but I haven't experienced what you have... so who knows.
rational experiences
Veteran Member
When I was suffering gas burning fallout I gained memory pre lived recall. My own.
On my bed I felt the thump of a cat jumping on my bed walking up to my face. As my cats had slept with me. Proven. Why I learnt.
Maybe to satanic studies that reasoning human and personal is going back in time. As you only believe anything via humans living having an experience.
Father told me this status seeing my brother convinced me he owned caused Satan lit. As Atlantis themes.
When father said earth once was cold. Owned a crystalline facure. Immaculate heavens only. No light. No day.
The blasting sun converted earth gave it sin holes so volcanic lava increased its mass which is an add in a theory.
Lava added when suns light caused day.
Reason why earths gases were set on fire.
He theoried that thesis. As a scientist. So he lied as a scientist as he never owned it god O earth had.
Wanting only an immaculate heavens hence in theorising records tells you how you lied first a long time ago and why you as a scientist sent us to death by incineration combustion yourselves.
All life.
So if life was all destroyed your science theories are all proven fake.
Evidence man's machine parts found inside deep earth fusion of going to Gods hell where human life was sent.
By a satanist organisation who claims God is love.
Humans spiritual own live love as humans. Animals we see before us live love.
Father's memories first human in modern life far more loving than any of you today. Is his man owned memories. Spiritual.
As you irradiated mutated your man's life and lost the memory of who you were. Moses teaching.
Hence have lied since in redevelopment of man's psyche inter relating with first father's human memories.
On my bed I felt the thump of a cat jumping on my bed walking up to my face. As my cats had slept with me. Proven. Why I learnt.
Maybe to satanic studies that reasoning human and personal is going back in time. As you only believe anything via humans living having an experience.
Father told me this status seeing my brother convinced me he owned caused Satan lit. As Atlantis themes.
When father said earth once was cold. Owned a crystalline facure. Immaculate heavens only. No light. No day.
The blasting sun converted earth gave it sin holes so volcanic lava increased its mass which is an add in a theory.
Lava added when suns light caused day.
Reason why earths gases were set on fire.
He theoried that thesis. As a scientist. So he lied as a scientist as he never owned it god O earth had.
Wanting only an immaculate heavens hence in theorising records tells you how you lied first a long time ago and why you as a scientist sent us to death by incineration combustion yourselves.
All life.
So if life was all destroyed your science theories are all proven fake.
Evidence man's machine parts found inside deep earth fusion of going to Gods hell where human life was sent.
By a satanist organisation who claims God is love.
Humans spiritual own live love as humans. Animals we see before us live love.
Father's memories first human in modern life far more loving than any of you today. Is his man owned memories. Spiritual.
As you irradiated mutated your man's life and lost the memory of who you were. Moses teaching.
Hence have lied since in redevelopment of man's psyche inter relating with first father's human memories.
AlexanderG
Active Member
Correct. If you read on to the sentence right after the one you quoted, you can see that I said, "I can then have proportional confidence that my memories are true to the extent to which they can make these accurate predictions." False memories have also been verified by evidence confirming novel predictions, which were made according to the model that certain categories of memories are unreliable. And yet we have also shown that many other categories of memories are quite reliable. And so I have proportional confidence according to this evidence.
Similarly, according to the lack of any such evidence for any theistic claims, I have zero confidence that these claims are true.
AlexanderG
Active Member
Really? I didn't know you thought that, and it's an interesting idea. Are you maybe saying the scientific method is a form of discovering god's design through the natural world?
For me, philosophy and religion are only useful for making hypotheses. For speculation. They simply lack the tools to go any farther. It takes the scientific method to then reliably confirm or fail to confirm these hypotheses. A confirmation produces good evidence that a hypothesis is true. A failure to confirm means there is currently no good evidence, and no rational warrant to accept the claim. This is particularly true if the claim/hypothesis is unfalsifiable, because such claims are indistinguishable from imaginary ideas. You're still free to believe whatever you want, but shouldn't for example pass laws restricting rights based on such speculation.
In every case, if science and religion contradict each other, then science wins because it has demonstrably reliable tools to investigate reality whereas religion does not. This is why no scientific finding has ever been overturned by a spiritual or supernatural explanation, but we have thousands of examples of vice versa.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
God? What God? I am a strong atheist, denying even the possibility of existence of any God or Goddess.
No, science and religion do not contradict each other in my case. One is the other in my belief.
rational experiences
Veteran Member
Science is a human thought just storytelling first.
Life human is natural first.
Then humans claim I will by my group and control practice science.
His will a man's choice is denoted.
Everything exists and was never named.
Men said I am a man by their choice.
Also they said my body I will name as a type. Hu man.
Now a female is told you are named by my man life. Hu man wo man Fe male.
As proof you named everything motivated by human man's purpose.
So where is science without you?
What I learnt is that as you men invented science terminology just as men. Man you are self possessed by your thoughts.
Where is science? Men claim by my thinking stories.
A choice only.
I will prove my science says men.
I design first.
Design a purpose. Inventions varied.
So some of his inventions own a pre reasoned want. To react natural form and change it.
As a female I can ask why without having an ego problem.
Your machine never existed.
The reaction you want to cause first it does not exist.
Which is your claim my proof of science is I can change form.
In your head it makes you the God as you never owned any pre form into new form yourself.
How you came about enforcing we must believe in a higher human owned pre form to be converted into a lower human form. Following human science definitions.
As human stated science concept.
What science product is human science owned that is higher than our human form.
In a man's baby life the O cell only owned by a human female body was higher than his sperm.
His natural answer is first.
As creation does not own any higher pre form of a human.
Hence he wrote a human document that said science told him humans have and own dominion over all things.
No man is God.
For his counter productive choice science as invention.
Life human is natural first.
Then humans claim I will by my group and control practice science.
His will a man's choice is denoted.
Everything exists and was never named.
Men said I am a man by their choice.
Also they said my body I will name as a type. Hu man.
Now a female is told you are named by my man life. Hu man wo man Fe male.
As proof you named everything motivated by human man's purpose.
So where is science without you?
What I learnt is that as you men invented science terminology just as men. Man you are self possessed by your thoughts.
Where is science? Men claim by my thinking stories.
A choice only.
I will prove my science says men.
I design first.
Design a purpose. Inventions varied.
So some of his inventions own a pre reasoned want. To react natural form and change it.
As a female I can ask why without having an ego problem.
Your machine never existed.
The reaction you want to cause first it does not exist.
Which is your claim my proof of science is I can change form.
In your head it makes you the God as you never owned any pre form into new form yourself.
How you came about enforcing we must believe in a higher human owned pre form to be converted into a lower human form. Following human science definitions.
As human stated science concept.
What science product is human science owned that is higher than our human form.
In a man's baby life the O cell only owned by a human female body was higher than his sperm.
His natural answer is first.
As creation does not own any higher pre form of a human.
Hence he wrote a human document that said science told him humans have and own dominion over all things.
No man is God.
For his counter productive choice science as invention.
AlexanderG
Active Member
Fair enough. I think we just have very different definitions for science and religion, then.
stvdv
Veteran Member
No, definitely not
Accept that Spirituality can't be proven by Science
And therefore
Reject all the "proof" Theists try to impose on you
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Both of us are atheists. I do not think our definitions of science and religion will differ. I think, you have not explored Eastern religions. All three, Hinduism, Budhism and Jainism, have atheism as their part..
rational experiences
Veteran Member
In biology genesis is human only theories. Human by humans as humans.
A human writes and details human DNA. Men study the book congratulate self yes he says see it discusses DNA human. Because you human men write the book discussing human genetics.
It is determined healer medical advice.
He says he is looking for the higher God that changed the mothers ape cell ovary to cause human baby by natural selection.
As a human who by comparison to the ape is the God saying it. Conscious self human says I own dominion over all things is a type of God belief.
As no one else is making the claim.
In his life the human concept greater than higher than man as sperm is woman's O ovary. O ovary is the body creator human baby.
O science thesis about cells.
So hence he says God in the atmosphere is the greater form that did it.
Human female life constantly recorded becoming memories.
Man doing science introduced lots of irradiated feedback. Thinks he is a female human yet owns a penis. Proves he was in fact consciously affected by body presence of the human woman.
Was given all proofs why he was wrong. Just as a human thinking.
Just as a human theist.
We live in holy water above our heads tree oxygenated. No greater God.
He was already proven wrong before when after the ice age his human man comparing states irradiated mutated human genetics.
Man always did it
A human writes and details human DNA. Men study the book congratulate self yes he says see it discusses DNA human. Because you human men write the book discussing human genetics.
It is determined healer medical advice.
He says he is looking for the higher God that changed the mothers ape cell ovary to cause human baby by natural selection.
As a human who by comparison to the ape is the God saying it. Conscious self human says I own dominion over all things is a type of God belief.
As no one else is making the claim.
In his life the human concept greater than higher than man as sperm is woman's O ovary. O ovary is the body creator human baby.
O science thesis about cells.
So hence he says God in the atmosphere is the greater form that did it.
Human female life constantly recorded becoming memories.
Man doing science introduced lots of irradiated feedback. Thinks he is a female human yet owns a penis. Proves he was in fact consciously affected by body presence of the human woman.
Was given all proofs why he was wrong. Just as a human thinking.
Just as a human theist.
We live in holy water above our heads tree oxygenated. No greater God.
He was already proven wrong before when after the ice age his human man comparing states irradiated mutated human genetics.
Man always did it
halbhh
The wonder and awe of "all things".
That's precisely what I do also.
I wonder if you notice the prejudicial word 'magical' -- which merely implies whoever thinks something even slightly similar is (already) understood to to be believing in a falsehood....but notice, this chacterization is really an assertion itself, without evidence. Such turtles needn't necessarily be 'magical' -- that is, merely imagined, unrealistically. Instead, that would be an unknown to someone who really does actually "use [a theory]...to make accurate novel predictions that I can then test in reality."
Right? Instead, one would need to test the turtle idea, before trying to reach that conclusion it's only a false belief, 'magic', etc.
I trust that is accurately telling us your own experience. You indeed have not experienced what I have for instance, so you could not then have the particular observations I have.
Ok. You are aware right that you don't know what a billion other individuals have done though. So.... So, this is why to me being agnostic would be rational, but being firmly sure God doesn't exist isn't rational up to the level of agnosticism.
e.g. Though it's possible to make theories where the excess gravitation observed in galaxies widely thought (hypothesized) to be a result of an unknown "dark matter" (a placeholder label) as instead explained by some new theory of gravity (and thus not a new form of matter), it would not be strictly rational to conclude that therefore the effect cannot possibly be actually from a new form of matter. That one hasn't yet observed this possible 'dark matter' doesn't allow a conclusion that it doesn't exist.
i.e. -- that you yourself haven't observed 'dark matter' does not imply that there is no dark matter. It only allows that it's an unknown.
rational experiences
Veteran Member
If you ask a basic question. As a human.
I did.
Other humans write books preached stories.
Told me that a part of my spirit becomes with God.
Others said when you died you were then in spirit.
I had a real big think about the statements.
Thought about created reality. Knew I got spiritual answers given when I asked questions. So I asked how and why was the subject believed.
As dead bodies owned the spirit the consciousness and then deteriorate.
When we got massively irradiated when UFO hit mt Ararat and attack ended. The huge ground water mass split evaporation involved life gas burning irradiated attacks plus ice melt cooling.
In variations.
A long time ago after we all died Satan cloud human images emerged in cooling. Two histories of large records attack.
If it wasn't real then how did pyramid builders know to cause it again. Satan effect. Remembering no ice on first earth. Intent said knowingly accepted life life would be attacked.
Same mentality today.
We survived by ice. Jesus story then taught ice end of year gods spirit saved us.
As phenomena life attacked owned lots of varied human experiences.
It was an alight brighter attack than cooled gas. Some humans died some survived. Cooling causes streaming recorded around the image. A human.
So human who died in this history own different imagery. The angel vision.
We all die from the constant radiation effect. As bio conditions our organic life cannot remain in the irradiation causes.
So we just own normal human imaged feedback.
I hence said now I understand a form of water life memory human imaged remained with God after you die. Science cause as a human has to be living to explain human satanic meanings.
Made sense.
Then I said but how does it know just as recording to understand a human in need?
Was when our highest conscious status eternal support via father's mother's memories taught me.
As the eternal let the spirit go due to the heavens fill in of the empty spatial plane...it owned no control to remain in its owned body. We never wanted to own a human life known.
We hence as first two humans came direct as the eternal. We die so the eternal still owns direct contact with human memories records. As if we now heavenly live another life form.
Why they seem to be greater loving as they don't own chemical human pain and suffering.
We came direct into water oxygen life why we never had anything to do with gas heavens history.
When you read the Bible gods son was inferred as a direct relative to god as a form inheritance of a God. God all mass created forms. Not the God but a form was inheritor spirit reasoned.
Gases.
We never were that son. It is only symbolic. Symbolic so Satanists could not claim our God anywhere else in the cosmos.
As the newly born earth son of god was frozen ice. New to earth. Saved earths gas spirits by cooling. Is newly born end of every year to balance cooling then melt versus summer.
So it is both born renewed and sacrificed as a natural function. Gods function not ours.
How it was taught.
Gods Inheritance was never ours.
Why a whole documented teaching thesis reliant on the teacher told you hence no man is God. Reasoned.
Now if you have to argue satanic science then you had to say to Satanists just humans I don't belong historic to mass creation. God. Same as Satan.
To then just argue I am not Satan you theory direct to what you observe. I live with God. It is obvious why it was argued.
As science is our lifes abuser.
As seemingly they own a brain problem. Status cannot think naturally.
I did.
Other humans write books preached stories.
Told me that a part of my spirit becomes with God.
Others said when you died you were then in spirit.
I had a real big think about the statements.
Thought about created reality. Knew I got spiritual answers given when I asked questions. So I asked how and why was the subject believed.
As dead bodies owned the spirit the consciousness and then deteriorate.
When we got massively irradiated when UFO hit mt Ararat and attack ended. The huge ground water mass split evaporation involved life gas burning irradiated attacks plus ice melt cooling.
In variations.
A long time ago after we all died Satan cloud human images emerged in cooling. Two histories of large records attack.
If it wasn't real then how did pyramid builders know to cause it again. Satan effect. Remembering no ice on first earth. Intent said knowingly accepted life life would be attacked.
Same mentality today.
We survived by ice. Jesus story then taught ice end of year gods spirit saved us.
As phenomena life attacked owned lots of varied human experiences.
It was an alight brighter attack than cooled gas. Some humans died some survived. Cooling causes streaming recorded around the image. A human.
So human who died in this history own different imagery. The angel vision.
We all die from the constant radiation effect. As bio conditions our organic life cannot remain in the irradiation causes.
So we just own normal human imaged feedback.
I hence said now I understand a form of water life memory human imaged remained with God after you die. Science cause as a human has to be living to explain human satanic meanings.
Made sense.
Then I said but how does it know just as recording to understand a human in need?
Was when our highest conscious status eternal support via father's mother's memories taught me.
As the eternal let the spirit go due to the heavens fill in of the empty spatial plane...it owned no control to remain in its owned body. We never wanted to own a human life known.
We hence as first two humans came direct as the eternal. We die so the eternal still owns direct contact with human memories records. As if we now heavenly live another life form.
Why they seem to be greater loving as they don't own chemical human pain and suffering.
We came direct into water oxygen life why we never had anything to do with gas heavens history.
When you read the Bible gods son was inferred as a direct relative to god as a form inheritance of a God. God all mass created forms. Not the God but a form was inheritor spirit reasoned.
Gases.
We never were that son. It is only symbolic. Symbolic so Satanists could not claim our God anywhere else in the cosmos.
As the newly born earth son of god was frozen ice. New to earth. Saved earths gas spirits by cooling. Is newly born end of every year to balance cooling then melt versus summer.
So it is both born renewed and sacrificed as a natural function. Gods function not ours.
How it was taught.
Gods Inheritance was never ours.
Why a whole documented teaching thesis reliant on the teacher told you hence no man is God. Reasoned.
Now if you have to argue satanic science then you had to say to Satanists just humans I don't belong historic to mass creation. God. Same as Satan.
To then just argue I am not Satan you theory direct to what you observe. I live with God. It is obvious why it was argued.
As science is our lifes abuser.
As seemingly they own a brain problem. Status cannot think naturally.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe my wife stated on occasion that I had memories of things that never happened. Those could have been memories of fantasies. I could trust my wife's memories; they were excellent.
rational experiences
Veteran Member
The basic human advice science a human choice practiced was via machines.
Built from earth products. Who then changed earth products to put inside machine body to change the product again.
That forced changed God thesis by man's choice.
To own science you have to theory first.
So the theist a human told you their contradiction confession.
Living with everything caused and created a human said I theoried about nothing.
A direct lie.
Pretty basic human advice.
In human life as humans we were human told by agreed human law don't talk about dead destroyed things. Don't look back. Which is to theory.
Whilst science by theory just human thought said to science by theory. All human inferred...
my theory is better than yours. My theory is more correct.
By statements told in human status.
Biologist genesis science hence said living apes monkeys is our closest body form. Notice living is the correct advice.
Yet it is only advised by comparing status by humans. Why science was told it is wrong to pretend that you can Idealise how an ape became human.
As it is only by human choice that you decided to do comparing. Then form groups to teach what you claim is wisdom.
Historic life harmed by science choices practiced told you to stop doing it. Theorising as if you were the creator.
The term God statements.
As no man is God meant humans pretended that they spoke on behalf of a creator. When all they owned in correct reasoned natural science was their own self presence.
It is historically correct to state theorising about self presence had been outlawed for commonsense human purpose.
Built from earth products. Who then changed earth products to put inside machine body to change the product again.
That forced changed God thesis by man's choice.
To own science you have to theory first.
So the theist a human told you their contradiction confession.
Living with everything caused and created a human said I theoried about nothing.
A direct lie.
Pretty basic human advice.
In human life as humans we were human told by agreed human law don't talk about dead destroyed things. Don't look back. Which is to theory.
Whilst science by theory just human thought said to science by theory. All human inferred...
my theory is better than yours. My theory is more correct.
By statements told in human status.
Biologist genesis science hence said living apes monkeys is our closest body form. Notice living is the correct advice.
Yet it is only advised by comparing status by humans. Why science was told it is wrong to pretend that you can Idealise how an ape became human.
As it is only by human choice that you decided to do comparing. Then form groups to teach what you claim is wisdom.
Historic life harmed by science choices practiced told you to stop doing it. Theorising as if you were the creator.
The term God statements.
As no man is God meant humans pretended that they spoke on behalf of a creator. When all they owned in correct reasoned natural science was their own self presence.
It is historically correct to state theorising about self presence had been outlawed for commonsense human purpose.