men living beyond 200 years, fiction? or bad interpretation?

[iholdit]

theres only 3 answers here

#1 fiction
#2 interpretation error
#3 man lived to 900+ years

we know man doesnt and has never lived past the average 120

so is it #1 or #2

We know there have been people who lived past 120 years old. This has been documented and was even posted earlier in this thread. I worked in the longevity field and simple things like caloric restriction with optimal nutrition(cron) from an early age can give a person double the normal lifespan. So now we are at about 160 years old. There are epigenetic studies which show your grandparents diet can increase or decrease your lifespan. So its possible that several generations of caloric restriction could increase lifespan even further than 160 years. We know from studies with animals such as worms that some manipulations can increase average lifespans of the worms 6 times. Apply that to humans and you are now at 400+ years old.

I can go on but im not sure you will listen. To say people dont and has never lived past 120 years old or that its medically impossible or men cant father children at that age, seems to deny what the research in animals has shown.

Clearly not everyone will live this long even in the conditions shown in animals but it has already been pointed out that you are only talking about a relatively few people in genesis. We dont know for sure that these same conditions applied to humans will have the same effects but it doesnt seem logical to say its impossible or that it can only be fiction.

There are other possibilities of mistranslation or misinterpretation etc. for genesis. But i dont see how you can rule out a person living to be 200 years old, considering what the research in animals has shown.

 

[outhouse]

I can go on but im not sure you will listen

I have a very open mind and will admit if im wrong, show me. please.

To say people dont and has never lived past 120 years old

your intellegent, im sure you saw the word "average" thrown in there, didnt you???

but it doesnt seem logical to say its impossible or that it can only be fiction.

actually it does

But i dont see how you can rule out a person living to be 200 years old

no man has ever come close nor will they in this life time.

I do appriciate your try though, i do see to much bias on your side trying to turn a myth into a possible reality though.

we are not at 160 years old on average and there is no verified person living to that age. Your reaching far and wide.





Now im under the impression its allot of #1 because of #2

you do know the first 5 books of the OT were written by unknown authors after 300-500 years of oral tradition????

 

[outhouse]

OK man doesnt live normally past 120 so please no more myth baloney.

Oldest people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

this has been posted before but ignored by religious people

 

[Rakhel]

I believe age is more of a factor for women than it is for men when it comes to furtility

A father at 94: Indian farmer claims to be world's oldest dad... and he wants MORE children

He believes the secret to eternal youth is half a kilo of butter washed down with three litres of milk every day.
And Ramjit Raghav must be doing something right. At the age of 94, he claims, he has just celebrated the birth of his first child.
Mr Raghav, from Haryana in northern India, hailed the arrival of son Karamjit as ‘God’s gift’. It would make him the world’s oldest father.
He and his wife Shakuntala Devi, believed to be in her late 40s, hope to go one further by trying for a second child next year.

Indian farmer Ramajit Raghav, 94, claims to be world's oldest father | Mail Online

Tony Randell was in his seventy's and Larry King, who may very well be older than G-d himself, and has two kids.

 

[iholdit]

I have a very open mind and will admit if im wrong, show me. please.



your intellegent, im sure you saw the word "average" thrown in there, didnt you???




actually it does




no man has ever come close nor will they in this life time.

I do appriciate your try though, i do see to much bias on your side trying to turn a myth into a possible reality though.

we are not at 160 years old on average and there is no verified person living to that age. Your reaching far and wide.





Now im under the impression its allot of #1 because of #2

you do know the first 5 books of the OT were written by unknown authors after 300-500 years of oral tradition????

There was an earlier post of someone possibly living to 150 years old. My point is the bible is not saying people in this lifetime should be living to 200. We are talking about very people in a limited time frame. The average would also not be the age of those people either, if they had a baby who died that makes the average lower, if someone fell off of a cliff at age 10 the average lifespan decreases again etc.

You are looking for an average lifespan of 200+ when you should be looking at, is it possible for an individual to live to 200+ or is it possible for a family with a possible longevity gene and/or longevity diet to have a few generations where some of the members live to 200+. The bias is on your part im talking about actual evidence of average lifespan increases of 2x-6x in animal studies.

You seem to have no problem believing in bigfoot based primarily on eyewitness and historical accounts, with no physical bigfoot body being found in our lifetime . Yet when a historical account of humans living 200 years+ is mentioned you call it fiction.

Lets apply your logic to other sciences. We have never created life from non-life in this lifetime. So that means you dont believe in abiogenesis right, because its never been witnessed in this lifetime? The evidence in the lab shows some amino acids and rna being formed but that isnt life right? Unlike abiogenesis research, longevity research has actually increased the lifespan of animals by 2-6 times. This is proof it is medically possible for animals and could possibly be applied to humans as well.

 

[Dezzie]

I am not going to fact or fiction.
What I am going to say is that the probability is high that those who wrote the the bible didn't measure time the way we do today.

This is what I am thinking as well... but it's not like we know that.

 

[Dezzie]

I believe age is more of a factor for women than it is for men when it comes to furtility

Tony Randell was in his seventy's and Larry King, who may very well be older than G-d himself, and has two kids.

A 70 year old woman gave birth to twins.

World's oldest mother gives birth to twins at 70 | Mail Online

I find this to be quite interesting.

 

[Rakhel]

A 70 year old woman gave birth to twins.

World's oldest mother gives birth to twins at 70 | Mail Online

I find this to be quite interesting.

Medical science says that it is possible for a woman who has gone through menopause to have a child. It is highly unlikely but not totally impossible.

 

[Dezzie]

Medical science says that it is possible for a woman who has gone through menopause to have a child. It is highly unlikely but not totally impossible.

And with twins! :clap It's too bad that the children will never know their parents... unless they live to see 200 that is. :beach:

 

[outhouse]

You are looking for an average lifespan of 200+

no im not, i know people dont live that long, I put a easy number compared to the imginative figures in the bible of 800 and 900+

I have already stated people live tops around 120.

There was an earlier post of someone possibly living to 150 years old.

not verified, you believe anything someone tells you????

We are talking about very people in a limited time frame

no were not were talking about fiction or interpretation error

The bias is on your part im talking about actual evidence of average lifespan increases of 2x-6x in animal studies

im biased because I know 120 is tops???? please get a real education or quit with the imagination.

sinse you fail to bring anything rational to the table I will.


the average life expectancy right now [2010] is 67.2 years

neolithic 20
bronze age and iron age is 35+
classical greece 28
classical rome 28

quit the horse pucky the bible lied, its not the word of god, its the word of ancient men who imagined everything they didnt know

 

[outhouse]

I am not going to fact or fiction.
What I am going to say is that the probability is high that those who wrote the the bible didn't measure time the way we do today.

they knew time very well there very lives depended on it.

they followed the soltices very carefully, there were even holdays yearly for this in that time.


one of the reason for the older ages was the previous pagan myths the hebrews took as there own. They could not have the pagans with there heros living longer then the hebrews heros. so walla! instant long life.

mythical figure in that time had long lives, this was common knowledge among them.

 

[esmith]

Would like to give a supposition: Authors have a thing for numerology; for instance

Characters Age(as introduced in time)
Abraham 175= 7 X 5squared
Isaac 180= 5 x 6squared
Jacob 147= 3 X 7squared

7-2=5-2=3
5,6,7 (plus 1 each iteration)

Also in Genesis CH 14 Abram takes 318 soldiers out to do battle
In an ancient Egyptian text a Princess takes 318 handmaidens with her to get married
In the Iliad there are 318 dead at the end of the story
318 is the sum of the 12 prime numbers between 7 and 49 (49=7squared)

Just a thought, does the author of the story want you to figure out what mathematical sequence they are using?

 

[outhouse]

Would like to give a supposition: Authors have a thing for numerology; for instance

Characters Age(as introduced in time)
Abraham 175= 7 X 5squared
Isaac 180= 5 x 6squared
Jacob 147= 3 X 7squared

7-2=5-2=3
5,6,7 (plus 1 each iteration)

Just a thought, probably nothing

That cool, what did the authors of 1000BC to 500BC use???

 

[iholdit]

no im not, i know people dont live that long, I put a easy number compared to the imginative figures in the bible of 800 and 900+

I have already stated people live tops around 120.



not verified, you believe anything someone tells you????




no were not were talking about fiction or interpretation error




im biased because I know 120 is tops???? please get a real education or quit with the imagination.

sinse you fail to bring anything rational to the table I will.


the average life expectancy right now [2010] is 67.2 years

neolithic 20
bronze age and iron age is 35+
classical greece 28
classical rome 28

quit the horse pucky the bible lied, its not the word of god, its the word of ancient men who imagined everything they didnt know

I have brought actual studies to the table, that is where actual evidence is. Its funny how you probably believe in bigfoot and abiogenesis without any actual physical evidence of either a bigfoot body or a life forming from non-life existing in our lifetime. You also believe what the "eyewitnesses" of bigfoot say as well, i have read your argument.

Yet the numerous studies which show animals can live 2-6 times longer than normal, which is actual physical evidence, you dismiss as an irrational argument. 120 years old is not tops, it has already been shown in this thread that people have lived slightly longer than 120. So what makes you believe its impossible for someone to live to 130 years old?

Please dont ever argue for evolutionary theory(or just about any other science) because you put limits on things based on what we know is possible because of what we have observed in our lifetime. So being that we never observed a bacteria evolve into a human then you must reject evolutionary theory as well right?

I understand being cautious about fully accepting something that has never observed, has ever occured. But to say it is impossible to ever have occured because you never observed it is irrational. When you say 120 years old is tops, it only shows a lack of understanding or an unwillingness to look at the studies on the subject.

 

[outhouse]

120 is tops on average, i have proved this.

I have brought actual studies to the table

you have brought nothing that applys to this thread. I put 200 as a threshhold because its cuts out all the BS

this thread isnt about what if

this thread isnt about how long man might live

the rest of your comments do not merit a response

this thread is about the lies in the bible and that it is not the inerrent word of a mythical god

 

[iholdit]

120 is tops on average, i have proved this.



you have brought nothing that applys to this thread. I put 200 as a threshhold because its cuts out all the BS

this thread isnt about what if

this thread isnt about how long man might live

the rest of your comments do not merit a response

this thread is about the lies in the bible and that it is not the inerrent word of a mythical god

Lmao!!! You werent there so you have to speculate(what if) to say it is a lie. Thats makes the whole thread b.s., if you cant say what if.

The rest of my comments merit a response, you just dont seem to have a response for them.

 

[outhouse]

look there is no debate that man did not live past 200 years. they did not.

I started this thread to find out if it is interpretation error OR fiction

I started this thread and made no option for imagination

the earth was not created in 6 days
man evolved, he was not created
there was no worldwide flood
man spoke many languages before the tower of babal
there was no ark
woman did not come from mans rib
there was no talking snake
we are all not inbreed from adam and eve
AND man did not live as long as stated

 

[kylixguru]

look there is no debate that man did not live past 200 years. they did not.

I agree with this being outside of debate.

Though, I will say there are some individuals who have lived beyond the 200 year barrier. They accomplished this through practicing solar gazing, among other things, in order to drastically reduce the solid food requirement of the body. Thus, by very non-conventional means, they greatly prolonged their life. You might get a chance to see an interesting documentary film called EAT THE SUN - Splash as it is being shown at various film festivals.

I started this thread to find out if it is interpretation error OR fiction

I started this thread and made no option for imagination

the earth was not created in 6 days
man evolved, he was not created
there was no worldwide flood
man spoke many languages before the tower of babal
there was no ark
woman did not come from mans rib
there was no talking snake
we are all not inbreed from adam and eve
AND man did not live as long as stated

Everything you listed here is what you imagine the Biblical texts actually say.

I agree that what you imagine they say is absurd.
You have proven your point of your own making.
Should we all stand up and applause now?

 

[outhouse]

if people stayed on topic i would as well.

fiction
or
interpretation error



no one has ever lived beyond 200 or even close.

prove it

 

[esmith]

I made a comment on another thread (don't think it was this one) that the "age" of a person was not important and probably wasn't even kept. What was important was linage. I think that this could be one of the reasons why the ages of biblical characters are not what we would expect. There are probably numerous reasons for these abnormalities and we could speculate forever.

Maybe the authors just wanted future readers to argue about them