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Mexican cartels and Trumps wall
- Thread starter MD
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A wall is not going to do anything. Cartels build tunnels. Plus it's a huge myth that all this stuff just spills over into the US from Mexico seeing as how the bordering city El Paso Tx is one of the safest cities in the nation. El Chapo is next door to them in Juarez, oh my, guys locked up. Juarez has legalized Marijuana use, tx and NM need to join California and do the same cause then the money can just go to Us entrepreneurs instead.
What isn't a myth is the danger of the cartel and Juarez has a real problem and El chapo has power even in prison but US can only help from our side of the border and a wall isn't the answer. US does fine with citizens crossing the border everyday for work but the ability to cross over legally, even for Americans has gotten stricter over the years and didn't mean needing a passport back in the day.
I don't know about legalizing all drugs but a huge majority comes from Afghanistan due to their high volumes of supplying the worlds heroin through opium, so don't think faulting Mexico is really the answer there either.
I'd legalize the drugs, which would gut the criminal supply enterprises.
But there's a problem....
A libertarian society depends upon people doing what is in their self interest,
& allowing others to do the same. But drug addled brains are at odds with this.
So I favor having programs to help users cope.
Yes, this means taxpayer funding.
No solution is perfect.
It just seems the most libertarian option.
If someone has a swastika tattoo, I'd like to give them the benefit of the doubt and think it might be because they adhere to the teachings of an Eastern religion.
Ah! I stand corrected.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
We have to remember that the "drug problem" is in reality a "supply & demand" situation-- as long as people want illicit drugs, somebody will be there to supply them.
Therefore, I prefer the Danish approach or decriminalizing personal usage, providing help to those who are addicted, but still keeping large-scale drug sales illegal. Therefore, the user can get his/her drugs at a cheaper price than on the streets, so this undercuts the cartels.
Therefore, I prefer the Danish approach or decriminalizing personal usage, providing help to those who are addicted, but still keeping large-scale drug sales illegal. Therefore, the user can get his/her drugs at a cheaper price than on the streets, so this undercuts the cartels.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
So, you decriminalize, legalize, focus on rehabilitation, and drug problems are reduced, criminals have money taken out of their hands, way fewer people use, and way fewer people die. This isn't in just Portugal, but even in Washington and Colorado there are fewer people using pot and even fewer people dying from narcotic overdoses. And not too mention it saves that tax payers a ton and opens room in jails and prisons for people who should be there.
esmith
Veteran Member
The Switzerland "harm reduction" program is touted as a success. However, if one looks at the facts, Switzerland went beyond just "legalizing" drugs. The reason was just legalizing drug use did not fix the problem.
Therefore the idea of "just legalize" and the problem will fix itself is invalid.
International - Switzerland | Drug War Facts
Swiss drug policy should serve as model: experts
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
If you notice, I've not said to "just legalize." I've also emphasized regulation and rehabilitation, two key components in reducing the drug rates in places such as Portugal.
esmith
Veteran Member
Got a better idea..I really think we should build a wall...
around Trump.
We take all of the liberal progressives and purchase a very large island in the middle of the South Pacific....nah going to have to build a very large island and make it legally equal to the District Of Columbia. and move all of you there; and we will call it the Peoples Republic of Dreamland. Oh you can not have any materials or food source that have any ties to fossil energy, you can't have a police force, you can't have any firearms and the U.S. military will not protect you. You can vote but we will retain the Electoral College for determining the Presidency
How's that idea sound?
esmith
Veteran Member
Was not specifically addressing your comment but that of many that think just legalizing drugs will magically make the problem go away.
psychoslice
Veteran Member
Maybe, people will still find other ways to get addicted, but yea you got to start somewhere.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
That is true (and certainly many things are potentially addictive), but the statistics are proving it is only foolish and destructive to continue drug prohibitions. We ended alcohol prohibition because it was an abysmal failure, and the prohibitions on other drugs are equally failing.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
I used to bring in an FBI agent into my political science course who worked hand-in-hand with the DEA, and I saw his transformation over the years that went from arrest and heavy sentencing to that we need to look for other solutions, such as either legalizing or at least decriminalizing these drugs. He went from pooh-poohing the concept of what the Danes were doing to saying that we need to try it because what we are doing now simply is not working.
They need to legalize all the illegal drugs and keep them at the price as it is in those countries that it has came from. When cocaine was legal, that there were no high crime rate as the way it is today. What had caused the crime rate to go up, it is due that the prices of these drugs went up extremely high when it hit the black market. But what makes crack cocaine so addictive, it is the short term sensation of feeling totally relax, an euphoric state that they are in. But since it last only for a few seconds, that the user will try to keep it going and which that makes it addicting. But if they only chews on the leaf of this plant, that the euphoric state last a lot longer. It is because that they are chewing the resin from out of it until it is completely gone, and which that it last for a couple of hours. But for some reason, that the government doesn't want no one to know about this. Probably they like them craving it more of the time and so that the addicts will be spending up all of their money on it in seconds. Especially when the price of it is very high.
But if the legalize it and keep the price of it very low, like a month supply only cost $50, and which a month supply in Bolivia only cost $5, that the addicts will still be able to support their children and buy them stuff that they'll need for school. But when children has a fair upbringing, that it will cause that child to be well educated, because the less problems in their home environment. But if the parents doesn't has enough money to supply their habit and to buy their children things that they need, that these children will be prostitutes or thieves before they are able to read a book, because they had to start to survive on their own at a young age. And that causes them to have no respect for others.
esmith
Veteran Member
I think you might be living in parallel universe if you think that a person that is addicted to hard drugs can obtain employment. No employer in their right mind is going to hire or retain anyone that is addicted. Now I might be prejudice in saying so but I don't think so. Now if a person has "kicked" the drug habit and making a concerted effort to remain drug free and I was an employer I would give them a chance.
Legalize and regulate all drugs. Kill the black market. It would also allow scientific research using those drugs that could lead to advancements in many areas. Win/win for everyone.
esmith
Veteran Member
So you would just legalize all drugs and not make any effort toward rehabilitation. Look what happened in Switzerland when all they did was legalize drugs. You want to see that happen here.
Of course I support rehab for those who need it. And what are you talking about Switzerland for? Source?