Michelle Obama's DNC speech

[SkepticThinker]

This is exactly right. The hatred fir America is so clear but so many people are blind. I don't say stupid even though I wonder if that isnt the real problem

Please point out where the hate lies within her speech.
We'll wait.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I don't know what she dealt with and neither do you. All I know is that SHE SAID WHAT SHE SAID, which is "For the first time in my adult life, I am proud of my country." I guess she wasn't proud of her country at any other time. I think that's sad and very telling.

She said a lot of other stuff too, since then.

You should watch the speech posted in the OP.

 

[Kathryn]

Oh I listened to most of her speech, maybe all of it. @SkepticThinker

 

[sun rise]

You know what image I can't shake of Ms. Obama? Her saying that "FOR THE FIRST TIME IN MY ADULT LIFE, I am really proud of my country."

Revisiting that. I was not proud of my country during the 1960's and 1970's. And actually I've never been REALLY proud of America outside of WWII but only of what we can and will become. So please put me in that category. But maybe that she said what was on her mind and did not lie is your issue?

Oh I listened to most of her speech, maybe all of it. @SkepticThinker

OK. So pick something out from the transcript: Read Michelle Obama’s speech at the Democratic National Convention

Is it when she talked about her mother's influence on her or the sacrifices prior generations made? Is it when she said "we all deserve the opportunity to build a decent life… all of our contributions deserve to be accepted and valued." Is it when she accurately referred to the privilege that some have due to inherited wealth?

 

[Quagmire]

Kind of a shame she decided not to run herself. She's much more articulate than Kamala.

 

[sun rise]

Kind of a shame she decided not to run herself. She's much more articulate than Kamala.

Did you notice the clothing choice of Kamala tonight. Both of them had a Wakanda vibe - no pearls, no feminine power suit --- black. Women have a large range of clothing choices to send a bigger variety of messages than men do. To me, this isone hell of a message.

 

[Quagmire]

Did you notice the clothing choice of Kamala tonight. Both of them had a Wakanda vibe - no pearls, no feminine power suit --- black. Women have a large range of clothing choices to send a bigger variety of messages than men do. To me, this isone hell of a message.

I only watched the first few minutes. Overall I've been paying more attention to things like body language, facial expressions, intonation.

My belief: a politician's wardrobe, and to some extent their dialogue, has been chosen for them. It's intended to project something which may or may not be representative of the actual person or what they believe.

But their body language is all their own. Michelle Obama, aside from being more well spoken (IMO) projects a lot more conviction than Harris does. She actually believes and cares about what she's saying.

A lot of what Harris does and says looks and feels scripted to me. I almost get the feeling she's not even sure she wants to be in this race.

Just my take.

 

[sun rise]

I only watched the first few minutes. Overall I've been paying more attention to things like body language, facial expressions, intonation.

My belief: a politician's wardrobe, and to some extent their dialogue, has been chosen for them. It's intended to project something which may or may not be representative of the actual person or what they believe.

But their body language is all their own. Michelle Obama, aside from being more well spoken (IMO) projects a lot more conviction than Harris does. She actually believes and cares about what she's saying.

A lot of what Harris does and says looks and feels scripted to me. I almost get the feeling she's not even sure she wants to be in this race.

Just my take.

I studied acting for a number of years. Michelle Obama is a natural. And she's had more experience during Obama's 8 years as POTUS. She also has a better voice.

I read Kamala Harris as a bit nervous at the start and no wonder. She knew that she had to stick the speech. But she loosened up during it and her ending was great. Of course she was also delivering a sales pitch. She knows that everything she promised won't happen because she's been a VP for 4 years. Anyone who is basically normal has to have moments of "what the **** have I gotten myself into" and "can I really pull it off". That's normal. So I take what you wrote as that but along with that you really need to want the office to put yourself through the mountain of **** involved and given her history I buy that she wants the job.

 

[Pogo]

I studied acting for a number of years. Michelle Obama is a natural. And she's had more experience during Obama's 8 years as POTUS. She also has a better voice.

I read Kamala Harris as a bit nervous at the start and no wonder. She knew that she had to stick the speech. But she loosened up during it and her ending was great. Of course she was also delivering a sales pitch. She knows that everything she promised won't happen because she's been a VP for 4 years. Anyone who is basically normal has to have moments of "what the **** have I gotten myself into" and "can I really pull it off". That's normal. So I take what you wrote as that but along with that you really need to want the office to put yourself through the mountain of **** involved and given her history I buy that she wants the job.

Which job? President or prosecuting Trump?

 

[Wandering Monk]

Did you notice the clothing choice of Kamala tonight. Both of them had a Wakanda vibe - no pearls, no feminine power suit --- black. Women have a large range of clothing choices to send a bigger variety of messages than men do. To me, this isone hell of a message.

Yeah, MAGA attire is somewhat limited so they have fewer options.

 

[metis]

But their body language is all their own. Michelle Obama, aside from being more well spoken (IMO) projects a lot more conviction than Harris does. She actually believes and cares about what she's saying.

What leads you to believe that Harris doesn't? Mind you, of the two, I really think Michelle is VERY real because she really doesn't like politics. Had she run against Trump in 2016, I think she would have had a really good chance of winning. I agree with you that she's the real thing.

A lot of what Harris does and says looks and feels scripted to me. I almost get the feeling she's not even sure she wants to be in this race.

Oh, I have no doubt she wants this based on her multiple explanations, and I also believe that she is willing to dive into the muck even if it's controversial.

 

[Kathryn]

Revisiting that. I was not proud of my country during the 1960's and 1970's. And actually I've never been REALLY proud of America outside of WWII but only of what we can and will become. So please put me in that category. But maybe that she said what was on her mind and did not lie is your issue?

OK. So pick something out from the transcript: Read Michelle Obama’s speech at the Democratic National Convention

Is it when she talked about her mother's influence on her or the sacrifices prior generations made? Is it when she said "we all deserve the opportunity to build a decent life… all of our contributions deserve to be accepted and valued." Is it when she accurately referred to the privilege that some have due to inherited wealth?

Nope, the fact that she was on a campaign trail for her husband and said that is what bothered me. And no thanks, but I am not going to reread her speech.

 

[wellwisher]

I just watched her speech and she totally nailed exactly why this election is so important. We've seen the darkness she points out in the news and here on RF. It's why a number of honorable Republicans including those who worked for Trump are supporting the Harris/Walz ticket. She calls forth and honors the "better angels of our nature" I'm going to DO SOMETHING. A few salient quotes

The chance to vanquish the demons of fear, division, and hate that have consumed us… and continue pursuing the unfinished promise of this great nation—the dream that our parents and grandparents fought and died and sacrificed for.​

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The belief that if you do unto others… if you love thy neighbor… if you work and scrape and sacrifice, it will pay off—if not for you, then maybe for your children or your grandchildren… those values have been passed on through family farms and factory towns… through tree-lined suburbs and crowded tenements… through prayer groups and National Guard units and social studies classrooms.​

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Because no one has a monopoly on what it means to be an American… no one!​

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we will never benefit from the affirmative action of generational wealth.​

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No matter how good we feel tonight or tomorrow or the next day, this is still going to be an uphill battle… so we cannot be our own worst enemies.​

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No, the minute something goes wrong… the minute a lie takes hold, we cannot start wringing our hands.​

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We cannot get a Goldilocks complex about whether everything is just right.​

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But they are still only human. They are not perfect. And like all of us, they will make mistakes.​

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But luckily, this is not just on them.​

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No, this is up to us—all of us—to be the solution we seek… it is up to all of us to be the antidote to all the darkness and division.​

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I don’t care how you identify politically… whether you’re a Democrat, Republican, independent, or none of the above… this is our time to stand up for what we know in our hearts is right.​

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To stand up not just for our basic freedoms but for decency and humanity… for basic respect, dignity, and empathy… for the values at the very foundation of this democracy.​

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The division in America got to the boiling point because of the Russian Collusion Coup, where the DNC attempted to over throw a duly elected President. The DNC was over confident, after Obama, and they under estimated the drive of Donald Trump. When they lost the election, the DNC coup began since they were not willing to accept the result. We had the DNC mob bullying one person. TheTrump voters sensed the injustice and the bullies and try to protect the victim. This was amplified by fake news and a continuous drum beat of lies and illusions, that occurred for several years, until it was debunked. This was the start of the hate.

It is still the same people, with Trump derangement syndrome, who cannot give up their addiction to hate and keep the country divided. If the DNC could give up that addiction, we can be one step closer to the idealism of M Obama. How about no more mudslinging by both sides and make it all about issues that concern American ,like inflation, illegal immigration, etc.

The party now in charge; DNC, has to own the mess it created, by being selfish and self serving to only their half of America. Did everyone hear how the Biden and Harris Administration, cooked the employment books, which was exaggerated by about 800,000 jobs created the past year. Much has to do with creating Government jobs which cost more than the wealth they generate; $500 toilet seats and money pit jobs.

No more lying and no more games is also needed to heal the country. That lying causes the honest people to speak up for the truth, which then get spun by fake news as hostility, thereby causing friction. No more scams and lies, to provoke and deny the truth, so we can fulfill M Obama vision.

One of the problem I see that prevents the vision of M Obama is too much busy body gossip, dwelling on the worse in people to make yourself feel better. No more gossip. Let us be more intellectual and discuss issues. Reason without emotion equals no hate. Hate is an emotion and not the product of reason. We may need to teach future children not to be emotional thinkers since that is not rational. Public education may need an overhaul.

The American dream is about being able to become self sufficient based on opportunities, made available in this prosperous county. It is not about the welfare state, that gets you by, but makes you beholden to Big Government handouts. The settling of America was about stories of rugged individualism, and not the comfort of the welfare hammock. The latter is too much like socialism. That destroys individualism in favor of a dependent voter who has to votes lockstep to keep the hammock going. It is a Socialism power scam that destroys the American dreams of so many. To help fulfill M Obama's vision we need to help people, help themselves be free and not slaves to poverty.

Under Trump, just before COVID, the poverty rate had reached the lowest level in 50 years. He showed how to increase the American Dream. When the DNC led mobs burned and looted many large inner cities, which were starting to become enterprise zones for people leaving poverty, they reverse this trend away from the America dream, back to dependency, Then under Harris and Biden, the poverty level increased again, and that dream was stolen. The DNC needs to learn from Trump if M Obama vision will ever come true.

 

[F1fan]

I don't know what she dealt with and neither do you. All I know is that SHE SAID WHAT SHE SAID, which is "For the first time in my adult life, I am proud of my country." I guess she wasn't proud of her country at any other time. I think that's sad and very telling.

Yes, when white people second guess and judge the expriences of black citizens in America it is sad and very telling. No wonder you assume Michelle Obama needed Affirmative Action to get into princeton.

White people often can't see their own subtle racism. It takes work to recognize it in ourselves, assuming we want to see it.

 

[Kathryn]

Yes, when white people second guess and judge the expriences of black citizens in America it is sad and very telling. No wonder you assume Michelle Obama needed Affirmative Action to get into princeton.

White people often can't see their own subtle racism. It takes work to recognize it in ourselves, assuming we want to see it.

I didn't assume anything. It was in the link I posted which I doubt you read.

 

[F1fan]

I didn't assume anything. It was in the link I posted which I doubt you read.

My gosh, the woman was accepted into Princeton for pete's sake, and was most likely the recipient of some form of affirmative action afterward.

Michelle Obama's 'Proud' Remarks

An unguarded comment from Michelle Obama speaks volumes about race and assimilation in modern America.

www.newsweek.com

Most likely? That is a judgment, not a fact.

Like I said, we white folks often have subtle racism that we don't readily recognize. We have to self-monitor.

 

[Kathryn]

Most likely? That is a judgment, not a fact.

Like I said, we white folks often have subtle racism that we don't readily recognize. We have to self-monitor.

I have self monitored for decades. I have four biracial adult kids who I raised to definitely look beyond color or gender.

 

[wellwisher]

Yes, when white people second guess and judge the expriences of black citizens in America it is sad and very telling. No wonder you assume Michelle Obama needed Affirmative Action to get into princeton.

White people often can't see their own subtle racism. It takes work to recognize it in ourselves, assuming we want to see it.

One thing that is overlooked is white people also have to compete against other white people for the same opportunities. Those who do not make the cut, on their own steam, who see race as the criteria for a hand up, feel the system is racist. Racism is judging by people by shallow criteria such as race and not by individual merit and character. Being white does not assure a seat at the table, and for many years, being white, at the margin of success, made you a target of a double whammy, enhanced by a rigged Government system based on race.

The way I would have done it is those who think affirmative action was a good idea, can volunteer their seat, instead of steal a seat from people who are also struggling too get that seat, but have no hand up and no choice. The DNC cannot seem to do good without sticking it to someone else. They seem to think life is a zero sum game, so stealing is justified for the good; socialism.

In a free market society the GNP shows you can created wealth for a positive sum game, which means you can add without having to take away. Socialist do not seem to understand how this works. Learn from Trump. He reduced poverty to the lowest level in 50 years without a zero sum game handout. Food stamp use also went down. He did not stick it to the tax payers, since the economy was like a fountain and not a fixed pool.

 

[icehorse]

Bernie Sanders talked a lot about having to defang the billionaires / oligarchs. To me that's one of the most critical issues we're facing.

Until we do that, everything in politics will be hopelessly corrupted, regardless of who is in the white house.

 

[metis]

those who think affirmative action was a good idea,

It was done out of necessity since a great many businesses refused to hire people of color, including some where I live.