Michelle Obama's DNC speech

[sun rise]

Nope, the fact that she was on a campaign trail for her husband and said that is what bothered me. And no thanks, but I am not going to reread her speech.

Your point about sounding angry reminded me of the problem many strong black women face - being called angry for being strong. The “Angry Black Woman” Stereotype at Work - I was wondering if that is the case rather then something real you picked up which I missed.

 

[Kathryn]

Your point about sounding angry reminded me of the problem many strong black women face - being called angry for being strong. The “Angry Black Woman” Stereotype at Work - I was wondering if that is the case rather then something real you picked up which I missed.

Who knows. And honestly who cares.

 

[averageJOE]

Another multi-millionaire telling us life is only bad when the other side is in office, and can only get better when her side is in office.

 

[Quagmire]

I studied acting for a number of years. Michelle Obama is a natural. And she's had more experience during Obama's 8 years as POTUS. She also has a better voice.

Harris has a lot of experience in public speaking too, and under pressure. So I'm not prone to cut her too much slack on that count.

I read Kamala Harris as a bit nervous at the start and no wonder. She knew that she had to stick the speech. But she loosened up during it and her ending was great.

I still haven't watched more than a few sound bites from the convention, but going by some of the other speeches I've seen her deliver (and at this point that would be quite a few) I have to say it again: I find her body language and a few of her other idiosyncrasies off putting.

Overall she seems to lack confidence and conviction.

That's not always the case --- it's sort of issue-dependent I'm finding --- but in my opinion she leaves a lot to be desired as the potential face of the free world.

Of course she was also delivering a sales pitch. She knows that everything she promised won't happen because she's been a VP for 4 years. Anyone who is basically normal has to have moments of "what the **** have I gotten myself into" and "can I really pull it off". That's normal. So I take what you wrote as that but along with that you really need to want the office to put yourself through the mountain of **** involved and given her history I buy that she wants the job.

Idk, I still suspect there may be some internal conflict there.

 

[Pogo]

Harris has a lot of experience in public speaking too, and under pressure. So I'm not prone to cut her too much slack on that count.


I still haven't watched more than a few sound bites from the convention, but going by some of the other speeches I've seen her deliver (and at this point that would be quite a few) I have to say it again: I find her body language and a few of her other idiosyncrasies off putting.

Overall she seems to lack confidence and conviction.

That's not always the case --- it's sort of issue-dependent I'm finding --- but in my opinion she leaves a lot to be desired as the potential face of the free world.


Idk, I still suspect there may be some internal conflict there.

Yes, she is not a great speaker and I am sure that there are things I will find her ignorant of, but they seem minor in terms of her apparent willingness to expand her horizons relative to the arrogant ignorance of the alternative. When she wanted to express conviction she did rather well even if starting from a weak experiential point.

 

[crossfire]

Harris has a lot of experience in public speaking too, and under pressure. So I'm not prone to cut her too much slack on that count.


I still haven't watched more than a few sound bites from the convention, but going by some of the other speeches I've seen her deliver (and at this point that would be quite a few) I have to say it again: I find her body language and a few of her other idiosyncrasies off putting.

Overall she seems to lack confidence and conviction.

Have you seen her in prosecutor mode? No lack of confidence or conviction there.

That's not always the case --- it's sort of issue-dependent I'm finding --- but in my opinion she leaves a lot to be desired as the potential face of the free world.


Idk, I still suspect there may be some internal conflict there.

My guess is that she's being careful not to slip into prosecutor mode during a regular public speech. She might be overcompensating a bit. How much injection of confidence and conviction would be too much? How much would it take before Jordan Peterson types start calling her animus possessed? (According to Carl Jung, just the thought of a woman who is animus possessed is enough to trigger many men into becoming anima possessed, which closes the mind rather than opening the mind.) What would be the right balance, in your view?

 

[Quagmire]

What leads you to believe that Harris doesn't?

It's not as simple as, "she does/she doesn't".

We're just talking about one particular set out of how ever many indicators there are to consider.

What I'm saying is: watching Michelle Obama I had no doubt that she cares about and believes what shes saying.

Watching Harris, I often feel like I'm looking at a salesperson who secretly wishes she had taken the day off.

Mind you, of the two, I really think Michelle is VERY real because she really doesn't like politics. Had she run against Trump in 2016, I think she would have had a really good chance of winning. I agree with you that she's the real thing.

I agree and for that reason I'm wondering if it was such a great idea to have her on the same stage as Harris.

Oh, I have no doubt she wants this based on her multiple explanations, and I also believe that she is willing to dive into the muck even if it's controversial.

We'll just have to wait and see I guess.

 

[Pogo]

Have you seen her in prosecutor mode? No lack of confidence or conviction there.

My guess is that she's being careful not to slip into prosecutor mode during a regular public speech. She might be overcompensating a bit. How much injection of confidence and conviction would be too much? How much would it take before Jordan Peterson types start calling her animus possessed? (According to Carl Jung, just the thought of a woman who is animus possessed is enough to trigger many men into becoming anima possessed, which closes the mind rather than opening the mind.) What would be the right balance, in your view?

The debate will be interesting and maybe shed light on many of these things, but so far my personal opinion even as a liberal male is that she may be underplaying the available center. Don't leave it all for Tim, she needs to reinforce him as well.

 

[Quagmire]

Yes, she is not a great speaker and I am sure that there are things I will find her ignorant of, but they seem minor in terms of her apparent willingness to expand her horizons relative to the arrogant ignorance of the alternative.

Well, at this point I'm not comparing her to Trump, I'm comparing her to Michelle Obama.

Or to be a little more honest I guess I'm comparing her to who I wish she was.

When she wanted to express conviction she did rather well even if starting from a weak experiential point.

I still haven't watched much of the convention, but I agree Harris has her moments: I just got done watching her outline her economic policy and I think she carried herself really well there.

 

[anna.]

It's not as simple as, "she does/she doesn't".

We're just talking about one particular set out of how ever many indicators there are to consider.

What I'm saying is: watching Michelle Obama I had no doubt that she cares about and believes what shes saying.

Watching Harris, I often feel like I'm looking at a salesperson who secretly wishes she had taken the day off.



I agree and for that reason I'm wondering if it was such a great idea to have her on the same stage as Harris.


We'll just have to wait and see I guess.

Interesting how perception is different, I don't get that from her at all.

This candidate sure doesn't look like she wishes she'd taken the day off.

 

[Quagmire]

Have you seen her in prosecutor mode? No lack of confidence or conviction there.

Yes, and I would be happier if that were the Kamala Harris we were seeing more of on the campaign trail.

My guess is that she's being careful not to slip into prosecutor mode during a regular public speech.

Well, if that's what's going on I think she's making a mistake.

Whatever else you can say about Trump he's a tiger (minus the stripes he's even the right color).

The last thing the Democrats need right now is somebody who looks like a deer in the headlights.

She might be overcompensating a bit. How much injection of confidence and conviction would be too much? How much would it take before Jordan Peterson types start calling her animus possessed?

Well see this is kind of my point: if she's the kind of candidate who would actually care about any of that, I consider that a problem.

(According to Carl Jung, just the thought of a woman who is animus possessed is enough to trigger many men into becoming anima possessed, which closes the mind rather than opening the mind.) What would be the right balance, in your view?

If I were one of her handlers, I would make her watch this video a few times and tell her, "Do this".

 

[Quagmire]

Interesting how perception is different, I don't get that from her at all.

This candidate sure doesn't look like she wishes she'd taken the day off.

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It's hard to tell anything from a single picture.

 

[anna.]

It's hard to tell anything from a single picture.

If you watched her speech, you saw it.

 

[Father Heathen]

Who knows. And honestly who cares.

Those who would rather not be dismissed due to stereotyping probably care.

 

[Kathryn]

Those who would rather not be dismissed due to stereotyping probably care.

So are you sayig that you care? Because I actually don't and it has nothing to do with stereotyping.

 

[Father Heathen]

What a load of horse manure

Which part? The one about basic freedoms, decency, humanity, respect, dignity, and empathy? I suppose all of that is "woke" in MAGA land.

 

[Pogo]

Well, at this point I'm not comparing her to Trump, I'm comparing her to Michelle Obama.

Or to be a little more honest I guess I'm comparing her to who I wish she was.


I still haven't watched much of the convention, but I agree Harris has her moments: I just got done watching her outline her economic policy and I think she carried herself really well there.

Agreed on all points, Michelle is a great speaker and I am scared of her nails, but she has no interest in the day to day BS, Her husband was good at it to a lesser level, but sufficient. Harris is not bad, but speechifying is not the ultimate definition of ability though important. She does at least as well as many and her target audience I suspect is not you or I.

 

[anna.]

Agreed on all points, Michelle is a great speaker and I am scared of her nails, but she has no interest in the day to day BS, Her husband was good at it to a lesser level, but sufficient. Harris is not bad, but speechifying is not the ultimate definition of ability though important. She does at least as well as many and her target audience I suspect is not you or I.

That's quite possible. Here are a few of the comments below the video I have of her speech.

 

[Pogo]

So are you sayig that you care? Because I actually don't and it has nothing to do with stereotyping.

Reactions to Harris are way to commonly related to her sex, if you have moved beyond they, kudo's. but lets not pretend that you are representative of the electorate in general,

 

[crossfire]

Yes, and I would be happier if that were the Kamala Harris we were seeing more of on the campaign trail.



Well, if that's what's going on I think she's making a mistake.

Whatever else you can say about Trump he's a tiger (minus the stripes he's even the right color).

The last thing the Democrats need right now is somebody who looks like a deer in the headlights.



Well see this is kind of my point: if she's the kind of candidate who would actually care about any of that, I consider that a problem.



If I were one of her handlers, I would make her watch this video a few times and tell her, "Do this".

I would definitely like to see this side of her at the debates. I'm looking forward to this.