Mickiel's proof of God.

[mickiel]

I never said I wasn't a girl. I was simply wondering what led you to that conclusion. It is entirely possible that I just have an appreciation for the female face/body. Or that could be a photograph of me.

I keep my gender undisclosed because it doesn't matter. If my gender will ever play a role in a discussion, I will disclose it.

Suit yourself, it doesn't matter to me which you are.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

The belief in there being no God, proves that it should be researched.

Proof, an internal organ of an Atheist, which marches to the beat of their selfish will, they simply do not " Want God to exist." They " Desire him to be false." This headlong dive into theory, proves that oppisition exist, because theory demands a sure result. The false concept of evolution is nowhere near a sure result. It baffles scientist. But yet, I have discovered that the false theory itself is proof of God. The coin of reality has two sides, one exist, but conversely so does the other, even if the human mind can only comprehend one side.

I see both sides, belief and unbelief, and both are part of the whole, and proves the existence of both.

And I want to go into that.

Peace.

The reason all Atheist here argue, is God! The reason they debate, is God. The reason we have their attention, is God.

The reason they don't believe he exist, is God.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

Mickiel, why are you ignoring me?

I just like doing it sometimes. I like ignoring the unreasonable when it gets sarcastic.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

Romance, yet another proof of God that Atheist cannot see, and they can't see this proof, because romantically, they are squares.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

In 1Kings 7:45, 46 it mentions Copper vessels made for Solomons temple. After searching for 20 years, Archaeologist Nelson Glueck found a ruined site that natives traditionally called " Copper Ruin." He excavated. Crumbled walls and furnaces black with heaps of Copper slag proved to be a once great Copper Smelter. Further south were found 7 simular centers. Glueck had found King Solomons Copper Mines. A stunning find, and again actual proof of the bibles historical relevance. Glueck actually got it right this time because he followed the bibles description of an ancient city- " Ezion-geber - beside Eloth on the shore of the Red Sea in the land of Edom", 1Kings 9:26.

The bible led him right to it.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

Perception is sensing a stimulus and responding appropiately, this is what cavemen did, and this can happen on a nonconscious level. Cavemen had no language, because language is stimulated by Consciousness. This is one of the things God uniquely gave Adams mind, Language, and language is a proof of God I will get into next year, its a stunning proof.

Peace.

 

[Diederick]

Romance, yet another proof of God that Atheist cannot see, and they can't see this proof, because romantically, they are squares.

Peace.

Romance, yet another proof of the Flying Spaghetti Monster that Trolls cannot see, and they can't see this proof, because romantically, they are incapable.

Sex.

 

[mickiel]

The reason all Atheist here argue, is God! The reason they debate, is God. The reason we have their attention, is God.

The reason they don't believe he exist, is God.

Peace.

The reason an Atheist lives, is God. The reason an Atheist can think and reason, is God. The reason each Atheist will die, is God.

The whole existance of an Atheist, is God.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

Romance, yet another proof of God that Atheist cannot see, and they can't see this proof, because romantically, they are squares.

Peace.

A mind devoid of a God that is Love, is at its root, a square. I have had many Romances with women, and I know, that the greatest of them has been with those females who were conscious of God. There is no way in life I would even go as far as to just date a female who was not conscious of God, just no way. I go for the best, because it feels better.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

Now this next proof is very arcane, but I want you to pay special attention to it, its an amazing proof of the bibles uncanny power. When fighting broke out between the Jews and Arabs in 1947, the bible brought to light a simular invasion by Israel against Syria 2800 years ago ( 2Sam. 8:5, 10:17-19). Believing that terrain would force a simular invasion route, the Israelites familiarized themselves with the countryside and the biblical details of that battle centuries ago.

As expected, the Syrians followed the same route and the Jewish soldiers won the battle over Syria. The bible also helped to discover an acient road going toward Egypts central garrision. Under cover of darkness, they used that biblical road in a surprise attack.

The " Six Days War"(June 1967) in which Israel overwhelmingly defeated three countries- Syria, Jordan and Egypt, Was due largely to these same biblical tactics.

Hisrorical overwhelming proof, which any elementary student in Israel can tell you.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

Wavelength, an unseen dictator of reality. Wind, invisible, but yet its force is real. Because we cannot see God, does not mean he is not real. Don't fall into that error in thinking. God exist in a entirely different relm than we do. But he communicates with our world, through his power to surcharge the human consciousness with his influence. This is the orgin of music.

And I want to go into that.

Peace.

There are times that I believe God imprints the very air itself with a power to penertrate our consciousness with imprinted messages of influence. We all must take in and breathe air, and I think thats just one way he influences our consciousness, when he wants to. And this is how he instilled music within humanity. It was a great gift.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

Perception is sensing a stimulus and responding appropiately, this is what cavemen did, and this can happen on a nonconscious level. Cavemen had no language, because language is stimulated by Consciousness. This is one of the things God uniquely gave Adams mind, Language, and language is a proof of God I will get into next year, its a stunning proof.

Peace.

If early man had even a primordal speech, why is there so little evidence of even simple culture or technology? There is no archaeology from even 40,000 B.C. that supports language, none. This is absolute proof of the biblical account of our reality, God gave Adam language and consciousness, then civilization began.

Peace.

 

[gnomon]

Ignoring your sarcasm, I could certainly prove that if I so pleased. Because it is a proof of God, all fungus is proof of God. In fact, I will go into that next year in honor of your attempt at sarcasm, which is another proof of God.

So come Atheist come, and I will use your own words as proof of God.

Peace.

You are basically everything is a proof of God.

So your next thread should be "Gnomon, another proof of God".

 

[blackout]

UV. Proof of Goddess.

 

[enchanted_one1975]

UV. Proof of Goddess.

I'll buy that.

 

[EtuMalku]

Why the Christian God is Impossible
by Chad Docterman​

Christians consider the existence of their God to be an obvious truth that no sane man could deny. I strongly disagree with this assumption not only because evidence for the existence of this presumably ubiquitous yet invisible God is lacking, but because the very nature Christians attribute to this God is self-contradictory.

Proving a Universal Negative
It is taken for granted by Christians, as well as many atheists, that a universal negative cannot be proven. In this case, that universal negative is the statement that the Christian God does not exist. One would have to have omniscience, they say, in order to prove that anything does not exist. I disagree with this position, however, because omniscience is not needed in order to prove that a thing whose nature is a self-contradiction cannot, and therefore does not exist.

I do not need a complete knowledge of the universe to prove to you that cubic spheres do not exist. Such objects have mutually-exclusive attributes which would render their existence impossible. For example, a cube, by definition, has 8 corners, while a sphere has none. These properties are completely incompatible: they cannot be held simultaneously by the same object. It is my intent to show that the supposed properties of the Christian God Yahweh, like those of a cubic sphere, are incompatible, and by so doing, to show Yahweh's existence to be an impossibility.

Defining YHWH
Before we can discuss the existence of a thing, we must define it. Christians have endowed their God with all of the following attributes: He is eternal, all-powerful, and created everything. He created all the laws of nature and can change anything by an act of will. He is all-good, all-loving, and perfectly just. He is a personal God who experiences all of the emotions a human does. He is all-knowing. He sees everything past and future.
God's creation was originally perfect, but humans, by disobeying him, brought imperfection into the world. Humans are evil and sinful, and must suffer in this world because of their sinfulness. God gives humans the opportunity to accept forgiveness for their sin, and all who do will be rewarded with eternal bliss in heaven, but while they are on earth, they must suffer for his sake. All humans who choose not to accept this forgiveness must go to hell and be tormented for eternity.

Perfection Seeks Even More Perfection
What did God do during that eternity before he created everything? If God was all that existed back then, what disturbed the eternal equilibrium and compelled him to create? Was he bored? Was he lonely? God is supposed to be perfect. If something is perfect, it is complete--it needs nothing else. We humans engage in activities because we are pursuing that elusive perfection, because there is disequilibrium caused by a difference between what we are and what we want to be. If God is perfect, there can be no disequilibrium. There is nothing he needs, nothing he desires, and nothing he must or will do. A God who is perfect does nothing except exist. A perfect creator God is impossible.

Perfection Begets Imperfection
But, for the sake of argument, let's continue. Let us suppose that this perfect God did create the universe. Humans were the crown of his creation, since they were created in God's image and have the ability to make decisions. However, these humans spoiled the original perfection by choosing to disobey God.

What!? If something is perfect, nothing imperfect can come from it. Someone once said that bad fruit cannot come from a good tree, and yet this "perfect" God created a "perfect" universe which was rendered imperfect by the "perfect" humans. The ultimate source of imperfection is God. What is perfect cannot become imperfect, so humans must have been created imperfect. What is perfect cannot create anything imperfect, so God must be imperfect to have created these imperfect humans. A perfect God who creates imperfect humans is impossible.

The Freewill Argument
The Christians' objection to this argument involves freewill. They say that a being must have freewill to be happy. The omnibenevolent God did not wish to create robots, so he gave humans freewill to enable them to experience love and happiness. But the humans used this freewill to choose evil, and introduced imperfection into God's originally perfect universe. God had no control over this decision, so the blame for our imperfect universe is on the humans, not God.

Here is why the argument is weak. First, if God is omnipotent, then the assumption that freewill is necessary for happiness is false. If God could make it a rule that only beings with freewill may experience happiness, then he could just as easily have made it a rule that only robots may experience happiness. The latter option is clearly superior, since perfect robots will never make decisions which could render them or their creator unhappy, whereas beings with freewill could. A perfect and omnipotent God who creates beings capable of ruining their own happiness is impossible.

Second, even if we were to allow the necessity of freewill for happiness, God could have created humans with freewill who did not have the ability to choose evil, but to choose between several good options.
Third, God supposedly has freewill, and yet he does not make imperfect decisions. If humans are miniature images of God, our decisions should likewise be perfect. Also, the occupants of heaven, who presumably must have freewill to be happy, will never use that freewill to make imperfect decisions. Why would the originally perfect humans do differently?

The point remains: the presence of imperfections in the universe disproves the supposed perfection of its creator.

Contradictory Justice
One need look to no source other than the Bible to discover its imperfections, for it contradicts itself and thus exposes its own imperfection. It contradicts itself on matters of justice, for the same just God who assures his people that sons shall not be punished for the sins of their fathers turns around and destroys an entire household for the sin of one man (he had stolen some of Yahweh's war loot). It was this same Yahweh who afflicted thousands of his innocent people with plague and death to punish their evil king David for taking a census (?!). It was this same Yahweh who allowed the humans to slaughter his son because the perfect Yahweh had botched his own creation. Consider how many have been stoned, burned, slaughtered, raped, and enslaved because of Yahweh's skewed sense of justice. The blood of innocent babies is on the perfect, just, compassionate hands of Yahweh.


Contradictory History
The Bible contradicts itself on matters of history. A person who reads and compares the contents of the Bible will be confused about exactly who Esau's wives were, whether Timnah was a concubine or a son, and whether Jesus' earthly lineage is through Solomon or his brother Nathan. These are but a few of hundreds of documented historical contradictions. If the Bible cannot confirm itself in mundane earthly matters, how are we to trust it on moral and spiritual matters?


Unfulfilled Prophecy
The Bible misinterprets its own prophecies. Read Isaiah 7 and compare it to Matthew 1 to find but one of many misinterpreted prophecies of which Christians are either passively or willfully ignorant. The fulfillment of prophecy in the Bible is cited as proof of its divine inspiration, and yet here is but one major example of a prophecy whose intended meaning has been and continues to be twisted to support subsequent absurd and false doctrines. There are no ends to which the credulous will not go to support their feeble beliefs in the face of compelling evidence against them.

The Bible is imperfect. It only takes one imperfection to destroy the supposed perfection of this alleged Word of God. Many have been found. A perfect God who reveals his perfect will in an imperfect book is impossible.



The Omniscient is Surprised
A God who knows everything cannot have emotions. The Bible says that God experiences all of the emotions of humans, including anger, sadness, and happiness. We humans experience emotions as a result of new knowledge. A man who had formerly been ignorant of his wife's infidelity will experience the emotions of anger and sadness only after he has learned what had previously been hidden. In contrast, the omniscient God is ignorant of nothing. Nothing is hidden from him, nothing new may be revealed to him, so there is no gained knowledge to which he may emotively react.

We humans experience anger and frustration when something is wrong which we cannot fix. The perfect, omnipotent God, however, can fix anything. Humans experience longing for things we lack. The perfect God lacks nothing. An omniscient, omnipotent, and perfect God who experiences emotion is impossible.

 

[Mindful]

Music is of God.

 

[enchanted_one1975]

Music is of God.

I don't think I have any of His CD's...can you send me a link to some?

 

[blackout]

Music is of God.

And I am a musician.
Thus music is of me.

More proof of Goddess.

 

[mickiel]

Music is of God.

It most certainly is. Ignoring the scarcasm of Atheist, they communicate that way, I would say that Music is a definte proof of God. The concept is simular to language, things that we do that didnot evolve, it was instilled. Downloaded, somethingelse other than ourselves put it there.

This is why Atheist are dangerous, in my view. They are dismantling all that puts humanity together.

Peace.