Mickiel's proof of God.

[The Neo Nerd]

None of my friends are Atheist. I am not interested in Atheist. I don't date women who are Atheist. And I didnot read the links, I am not interested in reading them.

Peace.

Come on Mick,

That isn't real open minded is it?

Why aren't you interested?

-Q

 

[mickiel]

Come on Mick,

That isn't real open minded is it?

Why aren't you interested?

-Q

Well because I have been around the block with Atheist enough times in my life already, there is nothing new under the sun of Atheism. My mind was open for 40 years, and I examined everything within my reach. My mind is still open, just not to certain things, Atheism being one of them. Its a dead end stone wall. I don't get anything out of it. The wall looks the same as it did 40 years ago, when I examined it all over. It was a dead end then, and still is now, its just not for me.

Peace.

 

[Tiberius]

None of my friends are Atheist. I am not interested in Atheist. I don't date women who are Atheist. And I didnot read the links, I am not interested in reading them.

Peace.

You didn't answer my question. What would you do if one of your friends became an atheist?

And if you are going to be so close-minded, what are you doing in a discussion thread like this? You obviously aren't willing to discuss anything. All you do is come in and tell others "I believe this, therefore it is right and I don't care what you think."

 

[mickiel]

You didn't answer my question. What would you do if one of your friends became an atheist?

And if you are going to be so close-minded, what are you doing in a discussion thread like this? You obviously aren't willing to discuss anything. All you do is come in and tell others "I believe this, therefore it is right and I don't care what you think."

I have never said I was right about anything. As far as this baseless allegation of me not willing to discuss anything, when have I been unwilling to discuss? I discuss things with people everyday, not only here but 6 other websites. I am just turned off by Atheist, I don't like the way they think about God.

As far as the question, I don't know what I would do if one of my friends became Atheist. Its never happened before. If one of my friends made a complette change that was oppisite from me, I don't know what I would do. But I do know that I do not base my friends on belief, but I do limit my exposure to certain people that I do not like.

Peace.

 

[Tiberius]

You said that love proves God. And I pointed out that you were using circular logic. Circular logic is not and never has been proof. Are you not saying that your circular logic is right? You are saying it here:

I see nothing wrong with circular reasoning

 

[mickiel]

You said that love proves God. And I pointed out that you were using circular logic. Circular logic is not and never has been proof. Are you not saying that your circular logic is right? You are saying it here:

I said circular reasoning, not logic. I see nothing wrong with circular reasoning. And I said it proves God to me, not to others, but to me.

Peace.

 

[The Middle]

One thing that impresses me about Women, is their ability to Love and show Love for their mate. I mean some of them just get all into their Loved ones. They cling, they embrace, they protect and support, its just impressive. I myself have never really Loved a woman, but I have had many Love me. Its just impressive and I have known nothing like it. I think a Womans Love for a man is one of the greatest examples of human Love that we have. And a Mothers Love for their children. Its real, its strong, its relevant, it cannot be denied.

And let me tell you somethingelse that is even more impressive to me. This " Romance" that so many have with God. I mean so many people Love God, yet have never seen him or can prove he is real. But thousands upon thousands hardcore believe in him. Its very impressive to me. I don't agree with their religious interpitastions of God, nor their doctrines, but their devotion to God is certainly impressive.

This " Romance with God", with religion, with " Deity", is a very powerful influence, its real.

And I want to go into that.

Peace.

I agree. Romance represents the intensity of love. The other two dimensions would be diversity and longevity.

 

[Tiberius]

I said circular reasoning, not logic. I see nothing wrong with circular reasoning. And I said it proves God to me, not to others, but to me.

Peace.

I don't see that there's much of a difference between the two. And certainly, whatever flaws exist in one also exist in the other. The flaw, you see, comes from the circular nature of it.

However, if you would like to explain to me how assuming that a thing is true in order to prove the existence of that thing is not flawed logic or flawed reasoning, I'd be very interested to hear.

 

[The Neo Nerd]

I don't see that there's much of a difference between the two. And certainly, whatever flaws exist in one also exist in the other. The flaw, you see, comes from the circular nature of it.

However, if you would like to explain to me how assuming that a thing is true in order to prove the existence of that thing is not flawed logic or flawed reasoning, I'd be very interested to hear.

*Waits with baited breath*

 

[mickiel]

However, if you would like to explain to me how assuming that a thing is true in order to prove the existence of that thing is not flawed logic or flawed reasoning, I'd be very interested to hear.

That is the beginning of the search, the assumption. Its the first step you make. Its the first thought of belief, its the first stage, assumption. Why try to believe something, or prove it exist, if you first do not assume it exist?

I think its flawed if you don't assume it.

Peace.

 

[richardlowellt]

What scares me is that there are people who teach their children that we were first a planet of the Apes, and then we evolved into humans. I consider that as an example of " Silly."

Of course you find it silly, you have no idea how your world works. Children should be taught about how and why things work, they should not be taught about mythical beings and fantasies, taught about what science tells us. You appear to not believe in anything science has to say or do. Science has produced vaccines that keep you and your loved ones from horrible illnesses and death, it has provided you with clean water, food, shelter, the medicines and research have extended our lives, cosmologist have expanded our knowledge of the universe, I would say that even though you are blind to it, science has been very good to you and the ones you love.

 

[mickiel]

Of course you find it silly, you have no idea how your world works. Children should be taught about how and why things work, they should not be taught about mythical beings and fantasies, taught about what science tells us. You appear to not believe in anything science has to say or do. Science has produced vaccines that keep you and your loved ones from horrible illnesses and death, it has provided you with clean water, food, shelter, the medicines and research have extended our lives, cosmologist have expanded our knowledge of the universe, I would say that even though you are blind to it, science has been very good to you and the ones you love.

You, nor anyonelse here, can produce a post, a statement from me that I do not believe in science, because I do. You are sadly mistaken, you do not know me.

Peace.

 

[The Neo Nerd]

That is the beginning of the search, the assumption. Its the first step you make. Its the first thought of belief, its the first stage, assumption. Why try to believe something, or prove it exist, if you first do not assume it exist?

I think its flawed if you don't assume it.

Peace.

If it's real you don't have to assume anything.

So let me guess this straight, your basis for reality is that you assume something is real?

-Q

 

[richardlowellt]

You, nor anyonelse here, can produce a post, a statement from me that I do not believe in science, because I do. You are sadly mistaken, you do not know me.

You don't "accept" evolution, evolution is science. Here are some of your quotes.

"Science has NOTHING to offer me"

You are of the opinion that people "worship" science.

You consider science theories to be "superstitions" Like the theory of gravity is a superstition?

Science theories are educated guesses?

It would appear that you have a great distain for science.

To deny evolution is the same as denying the theory of gravity. I do know it's hard to believe in something that defies your religious beliefs even if the evidence is overwhelming, as it is in evolution.

 

[mickiel]

You don't "accept" evolution, evolution is science. Here are some of your quotes.

"Science has NOTHING to offer me"

You are of the opinion that people "worship" science.

You consider science theories to be "superstitions" Like the theory of gravity is a superstition?

Science theories are educated guesses?

It would appear that you have a great distain for science.

To deny evolution is the same as denying the theory of gravity. I do know it's hard to believe in something that defies your religious beliefs even if the evidence is overwhelming, as it is in evolution.

I believe in science, just not evolution.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

If it's real you don't have to assume anything.

So let me guess this straight, your basis for reality is that you assume something is real?

-Q

Thats the first stage, yes.

Peace.

 

[The Neo Nerd]

Thats the first stage, yes.

Peace.

I edited this post because i actually agree with you. You do have to believe in god before he exists

-Q

 

[richardlowellt]

Thats the first stage, yes.

Would you assume that dragonflies were once real dragons?

Would you assume that all cats can suck the life out of sleeping infants?

Would you assume mushrooms were once trolls?

Why would you or wouldn't you assume any of these things?

 

[mickiel]

Would you assume that dragonflies were once real dragons?

Would you assume that all cats can suck the life out of sleeping infants?

Would you assume mushrooms were once trolls?

Why would you or wouldn't you assume any of these things?

In my view, Assumption is to suppose as fact, what you are considering. You take for granted the thing supposed. It is often the beginning of observation, or even just belief. I assume that God is real, I do not assume that dragonflies were once dragons. I consider God to be a factual being.

Peace.

 

[richardlowellt]

In my view, Assumption is to suppose as fact, what you are considering. You take for granted the thing supposed. It is often the beginning of observation, or even just belief. I assume that God is real, I do not assume that dragonflies were once dragons. I consider God to be a factual being.

If dragons were important to you then you would assume that dragonflies in fact were at one time dragons. I assume dragon are real, I consider dragons to be factual beings. Can you show me this difference between my dragons and your god?