Mickiel's proof of God.

[The Neo Nerd]

First of all I would like to point out that making fun of Mick is counter productive. He's not going to respond in any intelligent way if he feels that he is going to be ridiculed.

Well I think humans are far more advanced than animals, thus what you call animal instinct, I don't think can be compared to human emotion. We have consciousness, animals do not. We are conscious of what we are doing, thus our Romance is a conscious behavior, not instinct.

Peace.

I will agree with you on the part where you say humans are far more advanced and intelligent than animals. This very true.

I would like to check with about one thing. Do you believe that humans don't have instinct? Just want to check before responding

and I will have to argue with you on the whole animals have no cosciousness. I've seen a documentary where they put mirrors in front different animals and recorded their reactions. They found that some animals would attack their image and some would start preening themselves. They theorised that the ability to recognise your image in a mirror indicates self awareness.

Would you agree with them?

-Q

 

[yourhopeboundheart]

p.s. he did say that he spits straight from the survival scrolls.

am i the only one who's ever seen spirit of truth?

 

[The Neo Nerd]

p.s. he did say that he spits straight from the survival scrolls.

am i the only one who's ever seen spirit of truth?

The spirit?

Can you tell us what you mean by that.

-Q

 

[yourhopeboundheart]

The spirit?

Can you tell us what you mean by that.

-Q

my URL privileges are obviously a point of controversy, so it's a video available onyoutube called "spirit of truth" involving a local access preacher who rants on an on about how he is god and he's not afraid of the devil.

yet another genius who we all hope is just joking about his religion... yet i dont think we could be so fortunate.

 

[mickiel]

First of all I would like to point out that making fun of Mick is counter productive. He's not going to respond in any intelligent way if he feels that he is going to be ridiculed.



I will agree with you on the part where you say humans are far more advanced and intelligent than animals. This very true.

I would like to check with about one thing. Do you believe that humans don't have instinct? Just want to check before responding

and I will have to argue with you on the whole animals have no cosciousness. I've seen a documentary where they put mirrors in front different animals and recorded their reactions. They found that some animals would attack their image and some would start preening themselves. They theorised that the ability to recognise your image in a mirror indicates self awareness.

Would you agree with them?

-Q

I think that humans have instinct, and I have conceeded that if animals have consciousness, which I do not believe, then it is very small and minute. If they have consciousness, it cannot be compared to human consciousness. And listen, there is no need to try and stop people from ridiculing me, I can handle myself. It never bothers me when people call me names or make fun of me, because I don't care about that. My main concern is myself, to hold myself in place and not respond in ignorance, which I know I am prone to do.

I know how to tear at peoples mind and hurt their feelings, I know that all too well, but I am trying to stay away from that. But listen, I have it comming-- strong views will attract strong feelings from others. So it is my destiny to be ridiculed.

Peace.

 

[richardlowellt]

I think that humans have instinct, and I have conceeded that if animals have consciousness, which I do not believe, then it is very small and minute. If they have consciousness, it cannot be compared to human consciousness

.I can only imagine that consciousness is NOT the word you are looking for as consciousness means---AWARE AND RESPONDING TO ONE'S SURROUNDINGS---animals do this better than humans, they have to in order to survive. Why is it that they have far superior senses than humans? Consciousness-----AN ACTION DELIBERATE AND INTENTIONAL---A cat stalking its prey, an eagle swooping down on its prey, all deliberate and intentional. Possible you should search for a more accurate word to describe what you are trying to say, if not, then please show me were anything I have said about consciousness is wrong.

 

[The Neo Nerd]

I think that humans have instinct, and I have conceeded that if animals have consciousness, which I do not believe, then it is very small and minute.

So you don't believe that the ability to recognise oneself in the mirror is a sign of consciousness?

What about self preservation, if you dont understand the concept of self then you wouldnt fight to survive.

-Q

 

[mickiel]

I think that humans have instinct, and I have conceeded that if animals have consciousness, which I do not believe, then it is very small and minute.

So you don't believe that the ability to recognise oneself in the mirror is a sign of consciousness?

What about self preservation, if you dont understand the concept of self then you wouldnt fight to survive.

-Q

Reconition of yuour image is not consciousness, but it is a life form. Animals are forms of Life for sure, but I think it goes to far to submit that reconizing your image, in water, or your shadow, or in a mirror is evidence of consciousness. Now then, if an animal can reconize its owner, it can be trained to reconize itself. But if that animal reconizes you, sits and obeys you, eats and sleeps, that is Life, its not conscious Life. Plants reconize the sun, because they are alive, but they do not think. Animals think, but not on the counscious level of humanity.

You can't make something concious that is not.

Peace.

 

[richardlowellt]

Animals think, but not on the counscious level of humanity.

You can't make something concious that is not.

Once again, conscious is NOT the word you are looking for. I have shown you the definition of conscious and now you need to tell me why animals do not have more consciousness than humans. Given the simple fact that animals are far more AWARE of their surroundings than humans, that animals have far better SENSES than humans, how are they not more conscious?

 

[mickiel]

Once again, conscious is NOT the word you are looking for. I have shown you the definition of conscious and now you need to tell me why animals do not have more consciousness than humans. Given the simple fact that animals are far more AWARE of their surroundings than humans, that animals have far better SENSES than humans, how are they not more conscious?

They have better instincts, instincts are not consciousness. Adam was not the first human God created, he was the first human with consciousness. All humans before him, all Neanderthal, Cromagnon, and so on had only instincts, and survived on instinct alone. Thats why they never built civilizations. Animals are not civilized, and cave men were not civil.

Why God did this, I just don't know, but it is my belief that he obviously created humans far before Adam, Archaeology shows that. Those humans, like animals, had very high levels of instinct, but didnot have high levels of consciousness.

Peace.

 

[richardlowellt]

They have better instincts, instincts are not consciousness. Adam was not the first human God created, he was the first human with consciousness. All humans before him, all Neanderthal, Cromagnon, and so on had only instincts, and survived on instinct alone. Thats why they never built civilizations. Animals are not civilized, and cave men were not civil.

Why God did this, I just don't know, but it is my belief that he obviously created humans far before Adam, Archaeology shows that. Those humans, like animals, had very high levels of instinct, but didnot have high levels of consciousness.

It's difficult to have a conversation when you are not clear on the definition of consciousness, please look up it's meaning. It's obvious that you are trying to infer humans before Adam were somehow different, that this god gave Adam some special traits that other humans lacked, that trait is not consciousness, as that word fits animals.

What would be your definition of civilized?

Cromagnon and Neanderthal did not survive on instincts alone, they learned how to make tools, how to organize and cooperate with each other, very effective in hunting. "Cavemen were not civil" what does that mean??

 

[mickiel]

What would be your definition of civilized?

Cromagnon and Neanderthal did not survive on instincts alone, they learned how to make tools, how to organize and cooperate with each other, very effective in hunting. "Cavemen were not civil" what does that mean??

Civilized is when you come out of a savage state, something cavemen never did. You introduce order and civic organization and elevate that to social life. Something cavemen never did. You introduce Law and social development, something cavemen never did.

Peace.

 

[Tiberius]

Actually, there is quite a bit of evidence that cavemen had social structure, buried their dead etc.

 

[richardlowellt]

Civilized is when you come out of a savage state, something cavemen never did.

A savage state? Savage----fierce, violent, uncontrollable, cruel, vicious, aggressively hostile. Do you know for a fact that cavemen had these traits? They had families, lived in groups, hunted together, buried their dead, and believed in some kind of god or gods.

 

[The Neo Nerd]

A savage state? Savage----fierce, violent, uncontrollable, cruel, vicious, aggressively hostile.

Dare you to argue that we are any different now.

-Q

 

[richardlowellt]

Dare you to argue that we are any different now.

No we are no different now, after all these thousands of years, civilization after civilization, scientific advances that have given us longer lives and made our world so much better, we are still on many levels no more advanced than the caveman. Many of us still share many of the same superstitions, and remain as ignorant as the cave dwellers, pretty sorry testament for our species.

 

[logician]

No we are no different now, after all these thousands of years, civilization after civilization, scientific advances that have given us longer lives and made our world so much better, we are still on many levels no more advanced than the caveman. Many of us still share many of the same superstitions, and remain as ignorant as the cave dwellers, pretty sorry testament for our species.

In may ways, we are slowing down in technological advancement. Sure, we are ,aking microtechnolgy more and more advance, but there is a limit to that. But look at cars, we really haven't change drastically in the last 60 years in the cars we see on the road, most of that due to computer technology. I space research, we have dead-ended, no deep space manned missions, and few robot missions. We waste our money on expensive wars that are unnecesssary, and in some casea illegal and immoral. OUr economy is in shanbles, and racism is again raising its ugly head. Homo sapiens indeed has a long way to go.

 

[mickiel]

Civilized is when you come out of a savage state, something cavemen never did. You introduce order and civic organization and elevate that to social life. Something cavemen never did. You introduce Law and social development, something cavemen never did.

Peace.

There is no Archaeological evidence that cavemen ever became civilizied, and it also proves that the theory of evolution is worthless, cavemen never evolved into being civil. And this is why die hard Atheist will never admit to this truth.

Peace.

 

[richardlowellt]

There is no Archaeological evidence that cavemen ever became civilizied, and it also proves that the theory of evolution is worthless, cavemen never evolved into being civil. And this is why die hard Atheist will never admit to this truth.

And with this statement you have proved you know absolutely nothing about how evolution works. If your going to call evolution worthless than at the very least learn something about what you are refuting, otherwise you just look silly and extremely uneducated. And just what is the truth that Atheist will never admit? That an imaginary being scooped up some dirt, breathed on it and magically a human appeared, a human that looks exactly as we all now do? Let me ask you a very important question, you seem to know that Neanderthal and cromagnon man existed, you know what they looked like, how did we become to look as we now do if they were part of our lineage?

 

[mickiel]

And with this statement you have proved you know absolutely nothing about how evolution works. If your going to call evolution worthless than at the very least learn something about what you are refuting, otherwise you just look silly and extremely uneducated. And just what is the truth that Atheist will never admit? That an imaginary being scooped up some dirt, breathed on it and magically a human appeared, a human that looks exactly as we all now do? Let me ask you a very important question, you seem to know that Neanderthal and cromagnon man existed, you know what they looked like, how did we become to look as we now do if they were part of our lineage?

I may look uneducated to you, but how you view me, is just as worthless to me as information concerning evolution. I hold no intrest in evolution, it means absolutely nothing to me. Humans did not " Become " to look as we now do, we were created to look exactly as we do. There was no evolving of human features, no human feature has ever evolved. We look like we have always looked.

Only an evolutionist believes in evolving human features. Its the most worthless theory I have ever known about. First, matter evolved from absolutely nothing. Then other matter evolved and these formed into giant rocks which one day collided. One of these residue rocks developed chemicals. From these chemicals formed life cells, which formed itself into a tadpole, which one day crawled out of the water and eventually formed itself into an walking animal, which eventually formed itself into a monkey, which eventually formed itself into a human. Its the most incredible nonsense which has ever existed. Why should I be interested in nonsense?

Peace.