Mickiel's proof of God.

[Tiberius]

The discontinutiy you speak of is not as great as you seem to think it is.

And why is it that consciousness couldn't just evolve? How do you know this is impossible? Have you studied it? Have you got any evidence to support your position, or do you just imagine it to be impossible?

So if you are wishing to start discussing this topic oif consciousness instead of romance, very well. Could you please answer a question for me...

Please explain how it is impossible for consciousness to have evolved.

 

[mickiel]

The discontinutiy you speak of is not as great as you seem to think it is.

And why is it that consciousness couldn't just evolve? How do you know this is impossible? Have you studied it? Have you got any evidence to support your position, or do you just imagine it to be impossible?

So if you are wishing to start discussing this topic oif consciousness instead of romance, very well. Could you please answer a question for me...

Please explain how it is impossible for consciousness to have evolved.

You just do not understand that consciousness must have continuity. It does not begin and grow, it simply remains constant. When you were born, your consciousness didnot, has not evolved, it simply has remained constant. Once you have consciousness, you have continuity, there is no, has never been evolution of your consciousness. The timming of consciousness is also interesting. When we are awake, are we conscious all the time? I shut my eyes and try not to think, yet my consciousness streams on. Always the continuity, never an evolution stage.

Peace.

 

[HipHopAvenger]

One thing that impresses me about Women, is their ability to Love and show Love for their mate. I mean some of them just get all into their Loved ones. They cling, they embrace, they protect and support, its just impressive. I myself have never really Loved a woman, but I have had many Love me. Its just impressive and I have known nothing like it. I think a Womans Love for a man is one of the greatest examples of human Love that we have. And a Mothers Love for their children. Its real, its strong, its relevant, it cannot be denied.

And let me tell you somethingelse that is even more impressive to me. This " Romance" that so many have with God. I mean so many people Love God, yet have never seen him or can prove he is real. But thousands upon thousands hardcore believe in him. Its very impressive to me. I don't agree with their religious interpitastions of God, nor their doctrines, but their devotion to God is certainly impressive.

This " Romance with God", with religion, with " Deity", is a very powerful influence, its real.

And I want to go into that.

Peace.

Oh, okay, Romance with God. And Romance, another proof of God. From my brief reading of Bible it seems that love is something beyond God, not something of his creation or within his power. Because God himself seems to be directed by these feeling such as love or wrath. Just an idea.

 

[mickiel]

Oh, okay, Romance with God. And Romance, another proof of God. From my brief reading of Bible it seems that love is something beyond God, not something of his creation or within his power. Because God himself seems to be directed by these feeling such as love or wrath. Just an idea.

Love is something beyond God, good greif, you don't need to read the bible anymore because you have complettely missed what Love is. Just don't read it, its not for you at this time.

Peace.

 

[HipHopAvenger]

Love is something beyond God, good greif, you don't need to read the bible anymore because you have complettely missed what Love is. Just don't read it, its not for you at this time.

Peace.

A truth, I have no need to read it.

 

[mickiel]

A truth, I have no need to read it.

Go further and stop mentioning it.

Peace.

 

[The Neo Nerd]

You just do not understand that consciousness must have continuity. It does not begin and grow, it simply remains constant. When you were born, your consciousness didnot, has not evolved, it simply has remained constant. Once you have consciousness, you have continuity, there is no, has never been evolution of your consciousness. The timming of consciousness is also interesting. When we are awake, are we conscious all the time? I shut my eyes and try not to think, yet my consciousness streams on. Always the continuity, never an evolution stage.

Peace.

Once again Mick you are spouting garbage about something you know nothing about.

Babies' consciousness evolves within the first year of their life.

If you do some research before you start spouting this stuff as FACT you may end up not looking like a retard.

-Q

 

[mickiel]

Once again Mick you are spouting garbage about something you know nothing about.

Babies' consciousness evolves within the first year of their life.

If you do some research before you start spouting this stuff as FACT you may end up not looking like a retard.

-Q

Why do you think I care what you think? Your insults fall on death ears, just like your views are just as dead. I get enough people who are well versed, so I know I'll get those who are not.

Peace.

 

[The Neo Nerd]

I get enough people who are well versed, so I know I'll get those who are not.

Peace.

Well versed in what?

 

[mickiel]

Well versed in what?

Well versed in the respect that you lack. I have nothing for you, why do you even speak to me? Go bother others who listen to you.

Peace.

 

[The Neo Nerd]

Well versed in the respect that you lack. I have nothing for you, why do you even speak to me? Go bother others who listen to you.

Peace.

I'm sorry you have no idea what you are talking about. I really am.

There has been many people in this thread that have tried to teach fact. They really have. But you just don't seem to want to listen.

I think it's time for you to grow up and listen to those that know much much more than you do. Unless there is something in the bible that prohibits learning stuff. If this is the case then please continue as you were.

Peace

-Q

 

[richardlowellt]

Why do you think I care what you think? Your insults fall on death ears, just like your views are just as dead. I get enough people who are well versed, so I know I'll get those who are not.

Your list of things you apparently know nothing about is growing so far we have.

1.) Consciousness in infants.

2.) Evolution

3.) The principles of Atheism

I'm guessing there's more, we just haven't been exposed to it so far.

 

[richardlowellt]

I'm sorry you have no idea what you are talking about. I really am.

There has been many people in this thread that have tried to teach fact. They really have. But you just don't seem to want to listen.

I think it's time for you to grow up and listen to those that know much much more than you do. Unless there is something in the bible that prohibits learning stuff. If this is the case then please continue as you were.

The list of people he refuses to converse with grows, religious blinding is a terrible thing.

 

[mickiel]

The list of people he refuses to converse with grows, religious blinding is a terrible thing.

Its just a list of people I do not like. But if I must talk to them, then they will show respect, or just go treat others as they do. But not me.

Peace.

 

[richardlowellt]

Why do you think I care what you think? Your insults fall on death ears, just like your views are just as dead. I get enough people who are well versed, so I know I'll get those who are not.

I am curious as to just how you would react if during a conversation I said that frogs do not start out as tadpoles, that they were just hatched from an egg, an egg like chickens come from, in the form of a frog. Would you not accuse me of being uneducated? would you not try and explain to me exactly how frogs come to be?

 

[Tiberius]

You just do not understand that consciousness must have continuity.

What is your basis for this?

It does not begin and grow, it simply remains constant.

Again, what is your basis?

When you were born, your consciousness didnot, has not evolved, it simply has remained constant. Once you have consciousness, you have continuity, there is no, has never been evolution of your consciousness.

So consciousness can be created but never destroyed?

The timming of consciousness is also interesting. When we are awake, are we conscious all the time? I shut my eyes and try not to think, yet my consciousness streams on. Always the continuity, never an evolution stage.

Peace.

When I was riding my bike home from work today, I have no memory of quite a bit of the trip. Was I conscious then or not?

I'm sorry, but you seem to be basing all your conclusions on what you have experienced in your life, and then applying them to death (the claim that consciousness will continue). This seems to me to be little different to a fish believing he can swim in the air because he's always been able to swim in the water.

Love is something beyond God, good greif, you don't need to read the bible anymore because you have complettely missed what Love is. Just don't read it, its not for you at this time.

Peace.

Why is it that you are within your rights to use your subjective opinion and present it as proof, but when someone else does the same thing, you tell them they are wrong?

 

[mickiel]

Why is it that you are within your rights to use your subjective opinion and present it as proof, but when someone else does the same thing, you tell them they are wrong?

I am not presenting this as proof, I am not trying to prove anything to an Atheist, such is worthless endeavor. I prove things only to myself, not to you. Atheist are walls, I do not try to go through them, around them or under them, I just don't go that way. If you notice, I do not persue Atheist, they persue me. I ask no questions, but get asked all the time. I answer the questions, the answer hits the wall.

I grow tired of even this, but things are as they are.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

Consciousness is a much smaller part of our mental life than we are conscious of, because we cannot be conscious of what we are not conscious of. These Atheist approach me with questions, to which the answer they are not conscious of, and will never understand this. One has to be conscious of God, to believe in him. One must be conscious of the answers, or all they will hold is questions.

If we think of a minute as being sixty thousand milliseconds, are we conscious for every one of those milliseconds? Our consciousness has continuity, it will constantly continue, although we are not aware of it. Thus, we are conscious less of the time than we think, because we cannot be conscious of when we are not conscious. This is why we have Atheist, they simply are not conscious of God. Conversely, its why we have confused Christians, they are not conscious of their deception, yet they actively, consciously believe.

Consciousness gives the illusion of continuity, and then it does not. One may think they can turn off their consciousness and go to sleep, but does that stop consciousness, no, it continues even while we are unconscious. This is the very nature of deception, we just cannot understand certain things , not willing to admit we just are not conscious of those things. When Atheist and Christians approach me, I already understand that they are not conscious of what I am saying. They always assume that I am trying to prove things to them, because its just their mentality to view things that way. I already know that I am not able to change the consciousness of a human, so I do not try. I simply state my views of which I am conscious of.

And I want to go into that.

Peace.

 

[richardlowellt]

Consciousness is a much smaller part of our mental life than we are conscious of, because we cannot be conscious of what we are not conscious of

Where do you get these things from? Consciousness is simply being aware of one's surroundings, a perception of something, awareness by the MIND of itself and the world, I would say thats a major part of our mental life. Unless your doing some really strong drugs we are always very much conscious of what we are doing.

These Atheist approach me with questions, to which the answer they are not conscious of,

Since consciousness involves being aware of something within our world, how can a person be aware of that with does not exist in our world?

One has to be conscious of God, to believe in him. One must be conscious of the answers, or all they will hold is questions.

You can't be conscious of that which does not manifest itself in the naturalistic realm, since consciousness involves, among other things, a perception of something real.

If we think of a minute as being sixty thousand milliseconds, are we conscious for every one of those milliseconds?

If we are sitting in the dentist chair, absolutely.

Our consciousness has continuity, it will constantly continue, although we are not aware of it. Thus, we are conscious less of the time than we think, because we cannot be conscious of when we are not conscious

Absolute gibberish!!!!!

When Atheist and Christians approach me, I already understand that they are not conscious of what I am saying.

Perhaps there is a very good reason for that, especially after reading some of your posts.

I already know that I am not able to change the consciousness of a human,

At this point I'm not sure you actually know what conscious means, how would anyone change one's awareness of his surrounding? Change one's perception of the world around him?

 

[mickiel]

At this point I'm not sure you actually know what conscious means, how would anyone change one's awareness of his surrounding? Change one's perception of the world around him?

I will answer none of your questions until you apoligise for your insults. Youdon't understand this because of your strength of selfish will, you must respect me if you wish to engage me in dialog.

Peace.