Mickiel's proof of God.

[Tiberius]

Or maybe we have seen that evidence and found it lacking.

 

[Diederick]

Or maybe we do see the things you talk of, but don't see them as evidence of a Deity. Because I think you are not just talking about the almost-eye-witness accounts that make up the Bible, but also of natural complexity and diversity.

Your mind is wired to see things from a spiritual point of view and look at a cute puppy dog and think of the awe inspiring goodness of God, while we just see a cute puppy dog - a Canis Lupus and perhaps we'd also know the breed. We don't attach supernatural meaning to everything we witness, because we don't think such is rational.

And ascribing earthly happenings to God, is not a form of presenting evidence, because there is no proof God does anything. You could easily say something like: "Look around you: all this has been made by God! How can you not believe in Him?", to which I could simply say: "Well, it isn't God that made it, but the Flying Spaghetti Monster." or "No, if God can be eternal, then so can the matter and energy in the universe." These are all non-arguments, mere speculation without any actual evidence to back it up (with the exception of the latter, perhaps).

 

[mickiel]

There is up and there is down. Positive and negative, two sides to the coin, but each side proves the other side exist. There is good and evil, both oppisite ends of a spectrum, but each proves that the other exist. There is belief in God and unbelief, yet each proves that the other exist. Unbelief in God exist, and this unbelief proves that God exist, because there must be unbelief, in order for there to be belief. One is simply the other end of the other.

Atheist themselves are proof of God. Only God could have removed the sight of him, the belief in him, from a human consciousness, nothingelse is powerful enough to do that. Being asleep is one end, being awake is another, but each proves the others existance, although both are two entirely differing things. We cannot see God, hear him, understand him and just outright be for sure where he is, but we are conscious of him. Our conscious awareness of him, coupled with the Atheist denial of him, is proof that he exist. They are two different ends that show each others reality.

And I want to go into that.

Peace.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

There is up and there is down. Positive and negative, two sides to the coin, but each side proves the other side exist. There is good and evil, both oppisite ends of a spectrum, but each proves that the other exist. There is belief in God and unbelief, yet each proves that the other exist. Unbelief in God exist, and this unbelief proves that God exist, because there must be unbelief, in order for there to be belief. One is simply the other end of the other.

:biglaugh:

... and what absurdities do you not believe in?

 

[Autodidact]

You're so confused it's hard to know where to start.

By your logic, theists prove that God doesn't exist. Do you see why?

You might want to start over without assuming your conclusion. Just a thought.

 

[Jayhawker Soule]

By your logic, theists prove that God doesn't exist. Do you see why?

:clap

 

[mickiel]

Unbelief in God is a sure sign of designed consciousness, and this kind of deceit may also be a cause of consciousness that is devoid of God. And I think it is God himself who determines this posture in a human mind. The rainbow coalition that exist in human behavior is a sure proof of God, a diverse designer. But your own mind is a proof of God, it just can play tricks on you. I believe the human consciousness is a predesigned entity, all it can do is go along the groves that God preset it to. The human brains plasticity, its redundant representation of phychological capacities within a specialized center or region, the unique control of the nervous system that God secretly exerts over all humans reveals to me his extreme power of appeal. How he has programed the Atheist in unbelief simply shows me his power of shutting down any aspect of human thought he so pleases to do.

And I want to get into that.

Peace.

 

[Amill]

This doesn't work because belief isn't knowledge.

My disbelief that the world is flat...means it is flat?

 

[mickiel]

In the mind of an Atheist, God has locked it into unbelief, a sort of psychosis prone stance toward religion. Conversely, he has locked the believer into their grove in the mind. In the Atheist God has removed every conscious connotation of his existance from them, and he wanted a certain amount of human representation in this group. And the human world needs Atheist, as we need both sleep and awake consciousness.

Halluncinations must have some innate structure in the nervous system underlying them, we just can't see that, God, in his wisdom, is using Atheist as his pinpointed rejection of himself in the human consciousness, and has directly appealed to their nervous system, and walk them along the line of unbelief. Its really incredible how he does this, it takes a lot of power to lock someone into a pattern, and that person not even be conscious of it. The nervous system of an Atheist makes these perceptual judgements that God is not real, and their self is not aware of this.

This way that God has of apealing to the human brain is interesting to me.

And I want to get into that.

Peace.

 

[mickiel]

Atheist are the other half of belief, a half belief must have to exist in humanity. There can be no belief in God without Atheist. In humanity, there couldnot have been good in our consciousness without there being evil. There can be no belief, without unbelief. Both are real, each proves the others existence. There can be no christians without Atheist, there can be no Atheist without christians. There can be no up without down, no in without out.

Atheist are proof of God, because they look to disprove God. The movement against, is often evidence that the thing that is the object of disaproval, really does exist.

Peace.

 

[pensive]

Atheist are proof of God, because they look to disprove God. The movement against, is often evidence that the thing that is the object of disaproval, really does exist.

People who don't believe in UFO's are proof of UFO's, because they look to disprove UFO's. The movement agaisnt, is often evidence that the thing that is the object of disproval really does exist.

People who don't believe in conspiracy theories are proof of conspiracy theories, because they look to disprove conspiracy theories. The movement agaisnt, is often evidence that the thing that is the object of disproval really does exist.

People who don't believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster are proof of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, because they look to disprove the Flying Spaghetti Monster. The movement agaisnt, is often evidence that the thing that is the object of disproval really does exist.

As you can see, anything can be inserted into your argument. That fact demonstrates how silly it is.

 

[Autodidact]

mickiel: You are one of the most confused, least logical theists I've encountered, and that's saying a lot. Try, just try, as hard as you can, to make an argument without assuming your conclusion. Good luck.

 

[arimoff]

People who don't believe in UFO's are proof of UFO's, because they look to disprove UFO's. The movement agaisnt, is often evidence that the thing that is the object of disproval really does exist.

People who don't believe in conspiracy theories are proof of conspiracy theories, because they look to disprove conspiracy theories. The movement agaisnt, is often evidence that the thing that is the object of disproval really does exist.

People who don't believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster are proof of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, because they look to disprove the Flying Spaghetti Monster. The movement agaisnt, is often evidence that the thing that is the object of disproval really does exist.

As you can see, anything can be inserted into your argument. That fact demonstrates how silly it is.

You can't compare spaghetti to G-D or even UFO's to good and evil, what has played a bigger roll in human history, or played a roll at all.

You don't think spaghetti or UFO's all day every day, but G-D, good and evil does, even if you don't believe in one.

I ca totally see his point, and it logical.

 

[cottage]

There is up and there is down. Positive and negative, two sides to the coin, but each side proves the other side exist. There is good and evil, both oppisite ends of a spectrum, but each proves that the other exist. There is belief in God and unbelief, yet each proves that the other exist. Unbelief in God exist, and this unbelief proves that God exist, because there must be unbelief, in order for there to be belief. One is simply the other end of the other.

Atheist themselves are proof of God. Only God could have removed the sight of him, the belief in him, from a human consciousness, nothingelse is powerful enough to do that. Being asleep is one end, being awake is another, but each proves the others existance, although both are two entirely differing things. We cannot see God, hear him, understand him and just outright be for sure where he is, but we are conscious of him. Our conscious awareness of him, coupled with the Atheist denial of him, is proof that he exist. They are two different ends that show each others reality.

And I want to go into that.

Peace.

This seems to be very confused reasoning. While a thing has to exist as a concept or an idea in order to be disbelieved, the act of disbelief doesn't confirm the actual existence of it.
By my disbelieving in the Loch Ness Monster I do not confer existence upon the supposed creature. And neither does my disbelieving that I can fly like a bird reveal to me in my conscious awareness that I am mistaken in my disbelief.

 

[MSizer]

There is belief in God and unbelief, yet each proves that the other exist. Unbelief in God exist, and this unbelief proves that God exist, because there must be unbelief, in order for there to be belief. One is simply the other end of the other.

Do you believe in kurdopoiples? I don't, I'm an akurdopoipelist. I guess kurdopoiples obviously exist then, as a result of my disbelief.

Amazing, since I just made them up in my head. We have the ability to create things just by imagining them! Hey, wait a minute, that reminds me of god. Hmmmmm......

 

[MSizer]

You can't compare spaghetti to G-D or even UFO's to good and evil, what has played a bigger roll in human history, or played a roll at all.

You don't think spaghetti or UFO's all day every day, but G-D, good and evil does, even if you don't believe in one.

I ca totally see his point, and it logical.

I think of sex all day. Is that why it exists?

 

[Amill]

You can't compare spaghetti to G-D or even UFO's to good and evil, what has played a bigger roll in human history, or played a roll at all.

the spaghetti monster just blocks your nervous system from feeling it, it is quite amazing how it turns your nervous system off like that, but it does this so that it can have both the opposites, ones that believe in the spaghetti monster, and you, the ones that dont. My conscious awareness of it and your denial proves that it is real.

 

[MSizer]

You can't compare spaghetti to G-D or even UFO's to good and evil, what has played a bigger roll in human history, or played a roll at all.

You don't think spaghetti or UFO's all day every day, but G-D, good and evil does, even if you don't believe in one.

I ca totally see his point, and it logical.

What? OK, should I, the atheist suddenly disappear in a puff of logic? No. There is no connection between belief and reality. They're independent.

 

[Humanistheart]

There is up and there is down. Positive and negative, two sides to the coin, but each side proves the other side exist. There is good and evil, both oppisite ends of a spectrum, but each proves that the other exist. There is belief in God and unbelief, yet each proves that the other exist. Unbelief in God exist, and this unbelief proves that God exist, because there must be unbelief, in order for there to be belief. One is simply the other end of the other.

Atheist themselves are proof of God. Only God could have removed the sight of him, the belief in him, from a human consciousness, nothingelse is powerful enough to do that.


Peace.

By your agrument unicorns must exist then, and god doesn't alow athiests free will. This is a very poor argument.

 

[pensive]

You can't compare spaghetti to G-D or even UFO's to good and evil...

You're going to have to do a better job of convincing me of that.

what has played a bigger roll in human history, or played a roll at all.

Whether god has played a huge role in human history is highly debatable. I'll grant you that the belief in God has played a significant role in human history. But belief in something and the reality of something are not synonymous.

Besides, by that argument, you'd have to accept the existence of every god that exists. Belief in Hindu gods, for example, have also played huge roles in human history. Does this mean that Shiva and Vishnu really exist? And the role that belief in Greek gods have played in human history is so important, that one even needs to know Greek mythology to really appreciate the great literary classics. So does this mean Zeus and Hera really exist?

I ca totally see his point, and it logical.

Not really, no. It merely seems logical to you because it reaffirms your forgone conclusion.