It seems a pretty small disagreement when put that way.....& we both get to win.
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Mike Huckabee & Evolution
- Thread starter Michael Hawley
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Man of Faith
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No, you don't win, you have to take what you see, something that looks designed for a purpose and explain why what you see isn't reality. That is like me looking at my car and making up a story about how it came about naturally.
I don't see any design or purpose.
Wrongo pongo! Winning is a state of mind, one which we may both choose to adopt.
But enuf mirth...as I see it, the concept of winning is inapplicable. At least we don't lose.
Btw, having worked in the auto industry, I can say conclusively that cars were
created by sentient intelligence....although not always by intelligent design.
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Actually, if your car came about naturally it would be a good comparison to life and nature. But it didn't, so, life requires a different explanation then the manufactured one. You're making a category error.
camanintx
Well-Known Member
And creationism isn't a fabrication with theism as it prerequesite?
The question you keep avoiding is, which model best explains all of the evidence? Creationism may explain why all living organisms share common characteristics, but it cannot explain why they appear in the fossil record in the order in which we find them. Until creationists can explain why there are no rabbits in the precambrian, it will fail as a scientific theory.
Why assume a creator when evidence shows that there is no need for one?
Man of Faith
Well-Known Member
Did it take a creator to produce a car with all its working parts interacting together for one purpose?
Man of Faith
Well-Known Member
If cars were made out of flesh and bone then we could say there is no reason for a creator?
No, usually more than one person builds a car. Uh oh.....Is this evidence of polytheism?
No, if cars naturally occurred, like trees and humans, then yes, it would be more likely that they would have a natural explanation.
tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
Ah, the many complexities and false analogies of the Teleological Argument...
Man of Faith
Well-Known Member
How do you know that humans naturally occur?
Michael Hawley
New Member
Hi Man of Faith,
This claim is actually testable. Go to Google Scholar and search all of the scholarly literature on biological evolution, speciation, and common ancestry. If your claim is true that evolution is based solely upon assumption and presupposition, then you will find that evolution is baseless in facts. Sadly, you will discover the contrary.
Sincerely,
Michael Hawley
Searching for Truth with a Broken Flashlight
Man of Faith
Well-Known Member
I've already seen all the evidence and it is all based on the assumption that evolution is true. You are being scammed.
HAHA! I sincerely hope this was meant to be a joke. Have you ever heard of sexual reproduction? Thats a naturally occurring process. I started out as a sperm, and evolved into the person I am today.
tumbleweed41
Resident Liberal Hippie
If what you say is true, lets take out the assumption.
Now, where does all that evidence point?
Where does DNA and genome sequencing point?
Where does the fossil evidence point?
Where does the geological evidence point?
Where does the anthropological evidence point?
Where do the modern occurrences of changes in allele frequency point?
Where does natural history point?
If you dismiss the evidence simply because it does not conform to your preconceived notion of Creationism, then it is you who are making the false assumptions.
And you are then being dishonest with yourself.
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.
Galileo Galilei
It is surely harmful to souls to make it a heresy to believe what is proved.
Galileo Galilei
Galileo Galilei
It is surely harmful to souls to make it a heresy to believe what is proved.
Galileo Galilei
Man of Faith
Well-Known Member
Where does DNA and genome sequencing point? DNA points to ID because that is a code that is read and interpreted by organisms to tell it how to form.
Where does the fossil evidence point? We see in the fossil record that animals haven't evolved from their originial forms, called living fossils.
Where does the geological evidence point? To a global flood.
Where does the anthropological evidence point? We see that only humans come from humans and have never seen anything different. We see that any verifiable humans traces that we have we always find evidence of intelligence and not tree dwellers.
Where do the modern occurrences of changes in allele frequency point? micro-evolution
Where does natural history point? To animals reproducing after their own kind.
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camanintx
Well-Known Member
Since cars are not capable of reproducing by themselves, a separate creator is required to explain their existence. LIfe is not bound by such a restriction.
camanintx
Well-Known Member
Try not to confuse metaphor with reality.
Rabbits in the pre-cambrian?
Tell that to the Egyptians.
Who says humans ever lived in trees?
Explain what prevents micro-evolution from becoming macro-evoluation.
Define kind.