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Militant Atheism: Religion Or Political Affiliation?

Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
lewisnotmiller said:
I don't think you and I have any disagreement on this, to be honest. Let's just say I'd see her petitioning a school board as political activism, even though it's not related to political parties, elections, etc.

The broad brush of 'political'.

And if you wouldn't describe it that way, all cool. Just describing how broadly I see it.
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Surely we can find something to argue about.
 
Estro Felino

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Revoltingest said:
What specific acts by militant atheists would you decry?
(It's easier to discuss actual events.)
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I mean...when the American president takes office and takes oath he says "help me God"...
I can't imagine our Prime Minister pronounce the word "God"...it sounds unreal because God's existence is not a given, so it's like we take for granted we cannot name inexistent beings in oaths
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Estro Felino said:
I mean...when the American president takes office and takes oath he says "help me God"...
I can't imagine our Prime Minister pronounce the word "God"...it sounds unreal because God's existence is not a given, so it's like we take for granted we cannot name inexistent beings in oaths
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We have vivid imaginations over here.
 
Milton Platt

Milton Platt

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Earthling said:
It's problematic in that there is such a stark contrast to the militant atheist and the average atheist on the street that finds the militant atheist somewhat embarrassing. The so called "militant" atheist is outspoken where the average atheist doesn't see the sense in directing that much attention on themselves. The average atheists doesn't bother themselves with the nonsensical doings of the believer. They don't care if the Nativity Scene is in the courtyard, or Christmas lights strung up at the local post office or whatever. 10 Commandments in the courthouse? Who cares? It's all corrupt nonsense anyway.

But if you talk to some of the militant atheists, once you get passed the bumper sticker slogans, billboard blasphemy, and incessant and inane ramblings about evolution, education and ecclesiastical society, it narrows down to politics.

They don't like people who vote opposite of them if those other people happen to believe in God. So, if they vote that its okay to kill babies if those babies are unwanted it pisses them off if someone believes in God and votes it isn't okay to kill babies. So the believers have no right to express their concern over the matter because they believe in God and this influences them? The whole of civilization is based upon such a belief.

It makes absolutely no sense. If one were to make a documentary on the militant atheists it would be like watching political convention. Nothing makes sense and everything seems like something it isn't.
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There is truth to that.
However, I am normally passive in my atheism and only become more voiciferous when I think the rights of others are being abridged.
Not sure the word “militant” applies in any case, though. When I think of militancy, I think of violence, such as the violence of religious groups to those outside their group.
 
blü 2

blü 2

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Earthling said:
But if you talk to some of the militant atheists, once you get passed the bumper sticker slogans, billboard blasphemy, and incessant and inane ramblings about evolution, education and ecclesiastical society, it narrows down to politics.
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I was, at least to some extent, with you till the 'incessant and inane ramblings about evolution, education' bit. Either we teach our children truthfully about reality or we wholly fail them. And in reality, evolution is real and magic is not.
 
K

Kapalika

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Woah woah I'm no atheist but even I don't want Nativity scenes on courthouses, at least not without a spot for my religion too!
 
Altfish

Altfish

Veteran Member
dianaiad said:
Militant atheists (the sincerely anti-theists) have been guilty of more deaths in one half century than theists have in the entire written history of mankind.

They don't kill 'in the name of atheism' (though that's the bottom line). They kill 'because you are a theist and don't deserve to live.'

they killed other people for other reasons, too, of course, but they killed people. Lots of 'em. ...and the fact that they didn't have a God to explain things to was part of the reason they could.

We ARE talking only about the 'militant' atheists, though, rignt? Personally, I figure that if it walks like a religion, and talks like a religion, it's a religion...even if the basis for it is 'there is no God and that is a truth that we can force others to acknowledge" or "there is a god, and He is Who we say He is, and we can force our beliefs on others." When the results of a belief are the same either way.....I honestly don't see much difference.
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You mean like the Roman Catholic, Hitler?
 
sayak83

sayak83

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
Earthling said:
It's problematic in that there is such a stark contrast to the militant atheist and the average atheist on the street that finds the militant atheist somewhat embarrassing. The so called "militant" atheist is outspoken where the average atheist doesn't see the sense in directing that much attention on themselves. The average atheists doesn't bother themselves with the nonsensical doings of the believer. They don't care if the Nativity Scene is in the courtyard, or Christmas lights strung up at the local post office or whatever. 10 Commandments in the courthouse? Who cares? It's all corrupt nonsense anyway.

But if you talk to some of the militant atheists, once you get passed the bumper sticker slogans, billboard blasphemy, and incessant and inane ramblings about evolution, education and ecclesiastical society, it narrows down to politics.

They don't like people who vote opposite of them if those other people happen to believe in God. So, if they vote that its okay to kill babies if those babies are unwanted it pisses them off if someone believes in God and votes it isn't okay to kill babies. So the believers have no right to express their concern over the matter because they believe in God and this influences them? The whole of civilization is based upon such a belief.

It makes absolutely no sense. If one were to make a documentary on the militant atheists it would be like watching political convention. Nothing makes sense and everything seems like something it isn't.
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Millitant atheists are fake news at least in the West. In China, where Muslims are being forced into communist brainwashing camps for re-programming...there the term means something.
 
Jumi

Jumi

Well-Known Member
Militant atheists were 99.9% a communist thing. It was a tool of that party to wrest control from entrenched power structures of religious organisations and to give busybodies something to do.
 
9-10ths_Penguin

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Earthling said:
The so called "militant" atheist is outspoken where the average atheist doesn't see the sense in directing that much attention on themselves. The average atheists doesn't bother themselves with the nonsensical doings of the believer. They don't care if the Nativity Scene is in the courtyard, or Christmas lights strung up at the local post office or whatever. 10 Commandments in the courthouse? Who cares? It's all corrupt nonsense anyway.
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Out of curiosity, I don't suppose you call outspoken theists who care about Nativity scenes, Ten Commandments monuments, etc., "militant theists," do you?
 
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