Millennials, Please Just Shut Up

[oldbadger]

Well, juxtapose that with the situation in the U.S., where the majority of voters voted for George W. Bush twice. A system primarily relying on intellectuals to make the majority of significant state decisions is bound to have flaws (like any other system), but if the intellectuals are chosen with sound criteria, I think that should work to produce less problems overall.

I don't know enough about the UK's involvement in the Iraq War to comment much on how the UK got involved in it, but what I do know is this: if you have a pure democracy and give people the freedom to vote on every major state-related issue, you are going to have disastrous effects like people's voting to leave the EU without even knowing what the EU really is or what leaving it entails—or, like in Egypt, people's electing Islamists into the parliament and presidency and then voting to approve a constitution that seriously included things like an article forbidding "insulting the prophets and messengers" and another stating that the main source on which state laws are based is Shari'a according to the interpretation of Sunni Islam.

Quite the fiasco, if you ask me.

Our intellectual stars had countless opportunities to put the pros and cons of both Leave and Remain to us, we listened, we tuned in to the debates, discussions and arguments, and nobody, absolutely nobody, came up with any information that could change the hearts and minds of the majority of English and Welsh voters. If they had an argument which threy were unable to communicate, then so much for their fine minds.

We will leave, and when we have left, others will do so as well. The great communicators of the EU could not even introduce themselves to us. We didn't even know the name of the EU's President until this week, at least, I have not spoken with any who did. I have known the name of the US President ever since he campaigned for the Democratic nomination.

One of the most wicked forms of power is control by discrimination, control by elitism of any kind.
George Orwell probably had a nightmare about just that kind of thing to give him the idea for '1984'.

 

[Tomorrows_Child]

You left out "ignorant"! Since 87% of Britons are white, the last description could hardly be false! And since when has being white or old been a problem? This Brexit voter is both (and probably better educated than many of the Remain voters).

See, now you're doing the same for your side. Many leave voters were university educated young people, some with more than just 1 degree under their belt who obviously understood the economic stipulation of leaving better than the leave voters. Many of whom regret it now.

The major sticking point and many on here will try and deny it, was immigration. I twas simply, "we don't want too many eastern euros or even worse, muslims coming into the country". Not all but definitely a large, significant number of votes were hinging on that argument. Heck, all I heard over the last week from leave campaigners was "we will get too many turks coming into the country".

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Now the Millennial uni students are saying they will fail their exams because of their depression over Brexit.

Give me a sodding break. Crybabies.

I think it's good that the Millennials are vocal that we, human beings, have emotional needs and that it isn't healthy to ignore them and pretend they don't have any overall being on our mental and physical health. It comes as no surprise to me that "developed" and "advanced" societies have such high levels of anxiety and depression. We neglect our emotional needs, and instead of addressing our emotional needs we pop some pills to mellow us out. We live lives that are so consumed by consumerism that we're very far removed from anything that is real or that matters, and we're nothing more than cogs who work, buy stuff, and die. Gone are the days when, a social animal, lived intimately with our communities. Today it's all about "me," and we're becoming further alienated from real human contact that is meaning, and instead of taking care of each other as a community we have underfunded food pantries and underfunded state programs to turn to because we are caring less and less about each other.
Even if I don't agree too all the "newsworthy" controversies that have come to unfairly paint an entire generation, I say good for them for remembering that we are humans with emotions and emotional needs, as emotions are a very basic part of what defines the human experience.

 

[SomeRandom]

I think it's good that the Millennials are vocal that we, human beings, have emotional needs and that it isn't healthy to ignore them and pretend they don't have any overall being on our mental and physical health. It comes as no surprise to me that "developed" and "advanced" societies have such high levels of anxiety and depression. We neglect our emotional needs, and instead of addressing our emotional needs we pop some pills to mellow us out. We live lives that are so consumed by consumerism that we're very far removed from anything that is real or that matters, and we're nothing more than cogs who work, buy stuff, and die. Gone are the days when, a social animal, lived intimately with our communities. Today it's all about "me," and we're becoming further alienated from real human contact that is meaning, and instead of taking care of each other as a community we have underfunded food pantries and underfunded state programs to turn to because we are caring less and less about each other.
Even if I don't agree too all the "newsworthy" controversies that have come to unfairly paint an entire generation, I say good for them for remembering that we are humans with emotions and emotional needs, as emotions are a very basic part of what defines the human experience.

Well I agree with you. But failing exams due to depression over Brexit!? That's a bit melodramatic. If they were High School kids that would be one thing. Teens are just very moody but Uni students? I'm sorry but that really is a tad juvenile. And I say that as a phone in my hand since childhood Melennial!

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Well I agree with you. But failing exams due to depression over Brexit!? That's a bit melodramatic. If they were High School kids that would be one thing. Teens are just very moody but Uni students? I'm sorry but that really is a tad juvenile. And I say that as a phone in my hand since childhood Melennial!

The issue then is where do we draw the line on what is excusable and what is not. Everyone is different, and everyone has different tolerance levels of stress. How do we even begin to measure what an appropriate level of emotional distress is, and how gets to decide it?
Rather than bashing your generation over such emotional issues, we shouldn't criticize and scoff at them, but help them to help themselves. It may be that those who failed their exams have not learned good coping methods. Some probably have legitimate mental health issues. And I find it odd that people do attack your generation, because even Boomers were having some academic difficulties over Vietnam, including attending protests.

 

[SomeRandom]

The issue then is where do we draw the line on what is excusable and what is not. Everyone is different, and everyone has different tolerance levels of stress. How do we even begin to measure what an appropriate level of emotional distress is, and how gets to decide it?
Rather than bashing your generation over such emotional issues, we shouldn't criticize and scoff at them, but help them to help themselves. It may be that those who failed their exams have not learned good coping methods. Some probably have legitimate mental health issues. And I find it odd that people do attack your generation, because even Boomers were having some academic difficulties over Vietnam, including attending protests.

Perhaps my time surrounded by whiny spoilt Mellenials who clearly cannot handle emotions like adults and those who purposely use the added strides in mental health awareness to skimp on their responsibilities have left me jaded and skeptical.
I'm not saying steps shouldn't be in place to help those with Anxiety and/or depression to help pass their exams and deal healthily in this case. But I'm also saying there is a downside from being so emotionally "understanding" and sometimes it's even exploited.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Perhaps my time surrounded by whiny spoilt Mellenials who clearly cannot handle emotions like adults

That's quite a bit of shaming. How exactly do "adults" handle emotions? Many of us don't have coping methods and a lot of us are under a large amount of stress. The Brexit vote was accompanied by a lot of far-right activity and harassment. It's a pretty trying time, especially if you're a member of one of the groups they brand as "the other". Hell, if Trump wins, I'm likely to have another nervous breakdown.

 

[illykitty]

Well I agree with you. But failing exams due to depression over Brexit!? That's a bit melodramatic. If they were High School kids that would be one thing. Teens are just very moody but Uni students? I'm sorry but that really is a tad juvenile. And I say that as a phone in my hand since childhood Melennial!

Well, Brexit doesn't merely mean that the UK has broken off the EU, there's lots of possible repercussions. Perhaps those that were depressed had the possible ramifications in mind, related to their future livelihood, the sort of world they will end up with and so on. It's not an immature thing to get depressed about, when your future is hanging in the balance and you have no idea what's going to happen. Add to that there was increased attacks on immigrants, maybe some worried about that too. Again, not immature.

They're real concerns.

 

[Ethics Gradient]

So after the UK voted to leave the EU, the Millennials who overwhelmingly voted 'Remain' are getting their knickers in a twist because they didn't get their way. They started a petition for a Second Referendum, because, hey, if you don't get what you want then just keep on pushing until you do. These people clearly don't know what democracy is. The majority wins, and the majority voted out.

Seriously, you lost. Get over it. Lose with dignity, at least.

(Sorry, this isn't aimed at anyone on RF, I'm just annoyed by their juvenile whining).

I think its unhelpful to label concerns about Brexit and subsequent attempts to reverse the decision as 'whining'. There are many reasons to be worried about what is going to happen if/when Britain leaves the EU and those don't disappear because 1.9% of the population swung the outcome of the vote to a leave one. I signed the petition for a second referendum and do believe that many of those who voted leave in protest would now vote remain given that they better understand the consequences of their vote. Fundamentally we live in a democracy and part of that includes the ability to overturn decisions through the use of existing mechanisms.

It may be more apt to label as 'whiners' those who leave but who have suddenly realised that the NHS isn't going to receive any additional funding, that the government isn't going to replace lost EU regional funding, that British scientists are now being pushed out of projects or denied access to upcoming projects reliant on EU funding, that we're still going to have to accept migration to retain access to the single market, that we're still going to have to pay money to the EU to access the single market but receive no rebates, that we're going to have to rubber stamp EU laws with no say on their making to retain access to the single market, and that we're expected to spend the next 5-7 year after we leave the EU working out trade agreements with individuals states. For the record I don't label them a 'whiners' because many were either lied to or simply weren't aware of these consequences because the sources they relied upon didn't communicate them.

I want to keep the debates around Brexit civil and respectful but the tendency of those to voted leave to adopt a position of false magnanimity over their victory is quite irritating. We all know that if the tables had been turned there would have similar petitions and threats legal challenges against the decision to remain. It's unreasonable to expect anything otherwise given that the leave vote only won by a slim majority of 1.9% that in a large part was the result of a sustained campaign in the right wing media that enjoys an extremely high circulation in this country.

We're all entitled to our views on the matter and we should respect each others differences of opinion.

 

[SomeRandom]

That's quite a bit of shaming. How exactly do "adults" handle emotions? Many of us don't have coping methods and a lot of us are under a large amount of stress. The Brexit vote was accompanied by a lot of far-right activity and harassment. It's a pretty trying time, especially if you're a member of one of the groups they brand as "the other". Hell, if Trump wins, I'm likely to have another nervous breakdown.

"Shaming" I'm not shaming I'm merely saying that there are a number of emotionally immature people. Many of them are Mellenials. I'm emotionally immature.
Sorry that the Helicopter parenting techniques that raised me and my peers had repercussions. Every parenting technique has drawbacks. I'm just being honest.
But if it makes you feel any better I'll probably join you in your nervous breakdown if Trump wins. *shudders*

 

[SomeRandom]

Well, Brexit doesn't merely mean that the UK has broken off the EU, there's lots of possible repercussions. Perhaps those that were depressed had the possible ramifications in mind, related to their future livelihood, the sort of world they will end up with and so on. It's not an immature thing to get depressed about, when your future is hanging in the balance and you have no idea what's going to happen. Add to that there was increased attacks on immigrants, maybe some worried about that too. Again, not immature.

They're real concerns.

Granted I'm not English or even European so I literally have no idea what the hell is going on here.
But if you are that stressed at 20 something presumably that you literally cannot finish studying I strongly suggest seeking medical attention asap. For any reason whatsoever. I'm not saying this reaction won't be true for at least some people.

But I'm sorry if some lazy people take advantage of news events to wriggle out of studying exist. It's something of a technique we picked up during our High School days (worked better with some teachers than others.)

Hell I remember one of my classmates using the stress of 9/11 to get out of an assignment once. She didn't even know who was involved during that fateful day.

 

[illykitty]

Granted I'm not English or even European so I literally have no idea what the hell is going on here.
But if you are that stressed at 20 something presumably that you literally cannot finish studying I strongly suggest seeking medical attention asap. For any reason whatsoever. I'm not saying this reaction won't be true for at least some people.

But I'm sorry if some lazy people take advantage of news events to wriggle out of studying exist. It's something of a technique we picked up during our High School days (worked better with some teachers than others.)

Hell I remember one of my classmates using the stress of 9/11 to get out of an assignment once. She didn't even know who was involved during that fateful day.

Not denying some people might take advantage of the situation but it would be unfair to punish the ones genuinely suffering because of it. Or to call them slurs because one is not aware of the situation, or one has a different outlook on the situation, etc. I don't think it's productive to call them selfish, entitled, immature or whiny (not saying you said it, but listing examples). It's insensitive and dismissive... Easier to say these things than take time to attempt to see where they're coming from, what their point of view is like. I don't think it's conducive to anything positive either, it creates an us vs them mentality instead of trying to reach some understanding.

I mean, wouldn't it be better to try to understand them and try to reassure someone like this than call them names? Maybe they just need an outside voice telling them that, yes things are uncertain but we can try to get the best outcome out of an unfavourable situation. No one lives in a bubble, we all need some solidarity and support at times.

Maybe I'm biased because I have mental health problems but someone calling me things or looking down on me never helped, it only made things worse.

 

[Demonslayer]

For the anti-millennial crowd.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Perhaps my time surrounded by whiny spoilt Mellenials who clearly cannot handle emotions like adults and those who purposely use the added strides in mental health awareness to skimp on their responsibilities have left me jaded and skeptical.

In these parts, adults handle their problems by either getting drunk or smoking meth, or sometimes getting drunk and smoking meth. We also love our pot and pills. This is pretty much everyone from Boomers to X-ers. And you do have to consider that many Millennials are not old enough to have a fully matured brain yet.
And that does sound like shaming. Millennials are emerging and young adults who aren't going to handle emotions "like an adult" because many of them have yet to develop an "adult brain." And even with adults, many of them have issues with various things. My sister, for example, will be turning 44 in a few months and she has a very nasty habit of displacing fault and blame off herself and onto others. My brother, who will turn 40 in a few months, has very deeply-seated bitterness towards the world that is wrapped up tight in layers of anger and locked up with insecurities because his dad was murdered when he was four years old (he at least acknowledges he never got it). My dad become an alcoholic during his 40s to cope with his life issues at the time.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that people, not generations, have problems and issues. Each generation does bring new things to the social spotlights, and each generation that came before bashes on the generations to come after them. The "greatest generation" sneered at the boomers for free love and widespread drug use, but the "great ones" and "lost ones" tended to drink too much and put work way too high on a pedestal (or it may just seem that way to me because I have never known good jobs, good benefits, or employers that take care of their employees). The "greats" and "lost" and "boomers" looked down on my generation over MTV, Jnco jeans, and our inappropriate music and bad behaviors that lead to the Columbine shooting. You generation is putting emotional needs and sensitivity towards others forward as an issue, and those that came before are doing what every generation that comes before has done, and perhaps has always done and always will do.

Hell, if Trump wins, I'm likely to have another nervous breakdown.

I had a "tick" of anxiety when Pence was announced as his running mate. That opens the door for "RFRA .3" to not be a state issue, but a national issue.

 

[suncowiam]

I had a "tick" of anxiety when Pence was announced as his running mate. That opens the door for "RFRA .3" to not be a state issue, but a national issue.

Something tells me his choice of Pence will be his undoing. I personally don't see it as a good pick. He's fortifying the conservative base as opposed to reaching out to the undecided base.

 

[Demonslayer]

Something tells me his choice of Pence will be his undoing. I personally don't see it as a good pick.

I don't see it as a good pick either, but there have been at least 100 things along that way that were going to be his undoing. Somehow, he's still doing.... :/

 

[Shadow Wolf]

I don't see it as a good pick either, but there have been at least 100 things along that way that were going to be his undoing. Somehow, he's still doing.... :/

Really, we just have to hope people actually show up to vote. He has a low -to - very low -to- practically non-existent support among various minority groups, and even among whites he appeals mostly to a very specific portion. If every eligible voter goes out and votes, he doesn't stand a snow balls chance in hell of winning, but everyone who stays home increases his chances of winning.

Something tells me his choice of Pence will be his undoing. I personally don't see it as a good pick. He's fortifying the conservative base as opposed to reaching out to the undecided base.

It's very likely this election will be decided by nothing more than voter turn out. It doesn't matter what Trump does, because his voters are going to show up to vote for him. H. Clinton not only needs to focus on addressing, and even adopting, issues and positions Sanders brought up, but it is essential that she focus on getting people to go out and vote.

 

[suncowiam]

I don't see it as a good pick either, but there have been at least 100 things along that way that were going to be his undoing. Somehow, he's still doing.... :/

That's true too. *Sigh*

 

[suncowiam]

Really, we just have to hope people actually show up to vote. He has a low -to - very low -to- practically non-existent support among various minority groups, and even among whites he appeals mostly to a very specific portion. If every eligible voter goes out and votes, he doesn't stand a snow balls chance in hell of winning, but everyone who stays home increases his chances of winning.

It's very likely this election will be decided by nothing more than voter turn out. It doesn't matter what Trump does, because his voters are going to show up to vote for him. H. Clinton not only needs to focus on addressing, and even adopting, issues and positions Sanders brought up, but it is essential that she focus on getting people to go out and vote.

Possibly you're right. I really don't know about the turn out. I feel like a lot of folks just aren't interested in these two candidates.

 

[Wu Wei]

That's quite a bit of shaming. How exactly do "adults" handle emotions?

Mostly we handle it by yelling at Millennials