Minnesota’s New ‘LGBT Education Specialist’ Thinks Teachers Should ‘Explain Nonbinary Identities’ To Preschoolers

[SkepticThinker]

Yes it is. Anyone with just half a properly functioning brain alone can see the matter falls with healthcare professionals like its always been in the past. That's where it needs to stay period.

Teachers can't be health care professionals? Of course they can, and are.
Also, you didn't address her point about arming kids with the knowledge to spot abusive behaviour toward them.

Those subjects have absolutely no place in the classroom save perhaps high school and college. Those should be electives as well.

Whoa what? So, AFTER the majority of kids have already gone through puberty, THEN you want to start teaching them about their bodies. Maybe?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Children don't legally have rights until they are an adult.

Nonsense.

 

[SkepticThinker]

The school nurse had the anatomicaly correct doll as far back as the 70s as I recall.

We never had a school nurse.

Worked fine then , no real need to change things imv.

It didn't work fine then. Hence the reason the doll isn't used anymore.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Children don't legally have rights until they are an adult.

Well, that's not quite correct. That's why there's child abuse and neglect laws, and we require them to be in school. But their parents are responsible for everything; which is why it's ridiculous on the other hand to say parents don't have a right to have a say in their child's education when it's generally accepted that people have the right to instill their particular religious and cultural values into their children. Otherwise it's a little thing called cultural genocide.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Children don't legally have rights until they are an adult.

You have to be kidding. You know when your parents said "I took you into this world, I can take you out" they really could not. Children are not the parent's property no matter how much you wish that was the case.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It was a Communist Soviet youth program and yes it included schools.

Then by what stretch of the imagination are American schools anything like it?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Well, that's not quite correct. That's why there's child abuse and neglect laws, and we require them to be in school. But their parents are responsible for everything; which is why it's ridiculous on the other hand to say parents don't have a right to have a say in their child's education when it's generally accepted that people have the right to instill their particular religious and cultural values into their children. Otherwise it's a little thing called cultural genocide.

You mean like how Wisconsin v Yoder throws all wants and desires the child may have and allows the parents wants to take precendence over the entire futre of their life?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

You mean like how Wisconsin v Yoder throws all wants and desires the child may have and allows the parents wants to take precendence over the entire futre of their life?

They can continue their education as adults if they want.

 

[Heyo]

Well, that's not quite correct. That's why there's child abuse and neglect laws, and we require them to be in school. But their parents are responsible for everything; which is why it's ridiculous on the other hand to say parents don't have a right to have a say in their child's education when it's generally accepted that people have the right to instill their particular religious and cultural values into their children. Otherwise it's a little thing called cultural genocide.

Religion and culture are indeed the responsibility of the parents. Censoring information about their culture would be wrong - as would be censoring information about facts of the real world. The government shouldn't tell parents what not to teach their children and parents shouldn't tell the government what not to teach their children.

tl;dr: Censorship bad.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

They can continue their education as adults if they want.

Except it sets them back and imposes many barriers and obstacles they wouldn't otherwise have.
It's the kid's life, not the parents.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The government shouldn't tell parents what not to teach their children

Probably not what you have in mind and outside its scooe, but when it comes to abuse there are some things the government should step in.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

What happened in your head?

Nature happened and happens in my head every day.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Religion and culture are indeed the responsibility of the parents. Censoring information about their culture would be wrong - as would be censoring information about facts of the real world. The government shouldn't tell parents what not to teach their children and parents shouldn't tell the government what not to teach their children.

tl;dr: Censorship bad.

Excuse you, but the American citizen is the government. I guess you're fine with a distant dictatorship but that's not how America works. We pay the taxes that run these schools and pay the teachers. We have a right to know what they're teaching and push back when they're teaching minors inappropriate things on our dime, especially when it's nothing more than thinly veiled political activism. Children do not belong to the government. They belong to their families.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Except it sets them back and imposes many barriers and obstacles they wouldn't otherwise have.
It's the kid's life, not the parents.

Go argue that Infront of the Supreme Court. We can't just override the First Amendment.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

We've had this exact same discussion with him before. He sees child abuse as an acceptable sacrifice in order to maintain the status quo.

I don't remember this one, but I do remember him applauding things in that thread about the sexually abusive teacher.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Go argue that Infront of the Supreme Court. We can't just override the First Amendment.

That's actually not the First and many do argue it because it has caused needless damage and harm to children and did entirely cut their own desires amd wishes lut of the picture.
It's the child's life, not the parent's, and that's why Wisconsin v Yoder has to go.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Then by what stretch of the imagination are American schools anything like it?

It's a comparative example. Meaning indoctrination over learning.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

It's for the school nurse to handle.

I'm for traditional nessessary curriculums like reading , English , math, social studies, science.

So you're okay with the material being taught in schools, but you have thoughts about which staff should do it.

Is this a union thing?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Children don't legally have rights until they are an adult.

I'm glad I live in a society where this isn't true.

 

[Father Heathen]

That's actually not the First and many do argue it because it has caused needless damage and harm to children and did entirely cut their own desires amd wishes lut of the picture.
It's the child's life, not the parent's, and that's why Wisconsin v Yoder has to go.

It was a debate few weeks ago about sex ed in elementary school. He essentially suggested that it's better for a child to be abused than to learn things that could prevent it. All because primitive superstitions taught us to fear and loathe the human body.