miscarriages, abortion and original sin.

[waitasec]

Do you realize your definition of judging isn't not even close to fitting the Biblical definition of judgement? It's just some new age bs that says we have to tolerate and accept everyone's evil actions lest we be labeled judges

why didn't you offer the real biblical definition of judging?
seems you are quick to point fingers.

 

[idav]

Do you realize your definition of judging isn't not even close to fitting the Biblical definition of judgement? It's just some new age bs that says we have to tolerate and accept everyone's evil actions lest we be labeled judges

Go right ahead and judge someones actions but careful on judging intent. I think that chapter says something about judging by fruits like that one evil tree.

 

[-Peacemaker-]

why didn't you offer the real biblical definition of judging?
seems you are quick to point fingers.

For one the Biblical definition of judging means pronouncing a verdict over someone before they act. One example would be a Christian who doesn't testify to someone about the Gospel because they think they know in advance they won't accept it. It's closing the book on someone else before giving them a chance. It's acting like you know everything about a persons heart when you can only see the outside. It's also consigning people to hell before they've even been judged by God. What judging is NOT biblically speaking is calling people out when they've done evil. And Jesus spent an entire ministry rebuking and teaching people that didn't know him or believe in him. There was no such a Christian when he started. He was one man that went on to get tons of followers even in his lifetime. When those people heard him say to repent of wickedness they listened. That's how people become Christians even today, by starting out as nonbelievers who admit they've sinned and seek a change.

 

[waitasec]

For one the Biblical definition of judging means pronouncing a verdict over someone before they act.
One example would be a Christian who doesn't testify to someone about the Gospel because they think they know in advance they won't accept it. It's closing the book on someone else before giving them a chance. It's acting like you know everything about a persons heart when you can only see the outside. It's also consigning people to hell before they've even been judged by God.

whats the difference between that and a preconceived notion?

Go right ahead and judge someones actions but careful on judging intent. I think that chapter says something about judging by fruits like that one evil tree.

 

[no-body]

I'd also say that Jesus would tell you the exact same thing I am, though he'd probably come off a little gentler. The content of his message would be identical to what I'm saying. Believe me when I say I can pull out scriptures all day to support that statement

Again we see the dangers of worshiping a book rather than God.

Keep your damn religion out of womens uteruses.

 

[Me Myself]

Sex is good if done with responability. Jesus never condemned sex. Jew law condemned sex, but also condemn other things that Jesus said were not necesary to condemn.

When you go right to it, there were no anticonceptives in Jesus times. It´s not like he could have sex "Sex is good as long as you use a condom".

There are very effective ways of not getting unwanted pregnancy. Speciallly with a woman you know because it got to do with their days and periods. Even for inconsistent ones there are measures to be taken by body temperature to be sure when are the dates.

It pleases both man and woman and harms nobody, so it is good. "Do untho others what you would like done untho you". Well, that´s more or less what sex is all about

All the consecuences come from irreponsability, not from mere sex.

 

[-Peacemaker-]

whats the difference between that and a preconceived notion?

I'll put it like this. For me to tell you that you're position on abortion is wrong is something Jesus calls his followers to do. Making moral judgments about behavior is something BIBLICALLY approved but not necessarily approved by secular culture. Now if I were to start telling you that you're going to hell because you support abortion I would be committing the Biblical sin of judging my fellow man. it is not my place to judge your soul as if I was God.

 

[religion99]

miscarriage is not Sin because it is not done intentionally. Abortion is because it is done intentionally.

 

[idav]

miscarriage is not Sin because it is not done intentionally. Abortion is because it is done intentionally.

Pulling out or wearing a condom is also done intentionally. Choices, choices.

 

[waitasec]

I'll put it like this. For me to tell you that you're position on abortion is wrong is something Jesus calls his followers to do.

and what is my position?

Making moral judgments about behavior is something BIBLICALLY approved but not necessarily approved by secular culture.

luke 6 would contradict that...

Now if I were to start telling you that you're going to hell because you support abortion I would be committing the Biblical sin of judging my fellow man. it is not my place to judge your soul as if I was God.

i could care less where you think i'm going after i die..
what i care about and what is more important is the here and now.
got a problem with that?

 

[waitasec]

miscarriage is not Sin because it is not done intentionally. Abortion is because it is done intentionally.

but it's ok if god intentionally causes miscarriages?

 

[-Peacemaker-]

and what is my position?

luke 6 would contradict that...

i could care less where you think i'm going after i die..
what i care about and what is more important is the here and now.
got a problem with that?

If you want to live in some dreamworld in which Jesus is saying its bad to point out to people the error of their ways so be it.

 

[waitasec]

If you want to live in some dreamworld in which Jesus is saying its bad to point out to people the error of their ways so be it.

you obviously have a problem with luke 6:31

not very impressive i must say, what credit is that to you as a so called christian?

 

[-Peacemaker-]

you obviously have a problem with luke 6:31

not very impressive i must say, what credit is that to you as a so called christian?

The part that says do unto others as I'd have them do unto you? On the contrary I'd feel unloved and deglected if people didn't at least attempt to steer me from evil or call me out when I'm in the wrong.

 

[-Peacemaker-]

but it's ok if god intentionally causes miscarriages?

The interesting thing is that this post here is about the only thing in this whole thread that even comes close to fitting the BIBLICAL definition of judgement. Let's say God does take a life, who are you to take that to mean you have a license to do the same? Who are you to put yourself in shoes that only God alone can fill by judging who gets to live and who dies?

 

[waitasec]

The part that says do unto others as I'd have them do unto you? On the contrary I'd feel unloved and deglected if people didn't at least attempt to steer me from evil or call me out when I'm in the wrong.

both terms are relative...
in other words keep your nose out of other peoples business.


you never told me what you thought my position was....
maybe because you realize you don't like people telling you what you believe

 

[waitasec]

The interesting thing is that this post here is about the only thing in this whole thread that even comes close to fitting the BIBLICAL definition of judgement. Let's say God does take a life, who are you to take that to mean you have a license to do the same? Who are you to put yourself in shoes that only God alone can fill by judging who gets to live and who dies?

so the only difference is if god intends to take a life it's ok
but if i did it's not....you don't see a double standard here?

you never responded to my burt and earnie story...
is it wrong to take a life for your own survival?


http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/2559883-post77.html

 

[-Peacemaker-]

both terms are relative...
in other words keep your nose out of other peoples business.


you never told me what you thought my position was....
maybe because you realize you don't like people telling you what you believe

For what I gather you believe it's a woman's right to terminate a pregancy for just about any reason, especially if having a child presents an inconvenience to someone's lifestyle.

 

[-Peacemaker-]

both terms are relative...
in other words keep your nose out of other peoples business.


you never told me what you thought my position was....
maybe because you realize you don't like people telling you what you believe

I'll be happy to do that when people stop taking innocent lives through things like abortion.

 

[waitasec]

For what I gather you believe it's a woman's right to terminate a pregancy for just about any reason, especially if having a child presents an inconvenience to someone's lifestyle.

if you call needy children an inconvenience...
and if you call welfare a lifestyle.

i don't suppose you know that 80% plus of abortions are before the 13th week...