Mob invades House hearing

[Twilight Hue]

They are in the depositions. You didn't know that?

Then what was all the secrecy and closed doors about?

 

[Twilight Hue]

Umm, there are Republicans on the committees holding the hearings, you know. Those people are already included in the meetings.

Oh no, you didn't fall for the Republicans mob party nonsense, did you?

Who was in this particular meeting?

 

[Jose Fly]

Then what was all the secrecy and closed doors about?

They're conducting depositions that involves classified material.

Shouldn't you know this sort of thing?

 

[Ouroboros]

As several have pointed out already, Republicans are represented in the intelligence committee. Besides, these hearings have the purpose for fact finding and not the actual impeachment, therefore it's really not an open trial of any kind. It's an investigation to see if there is a foundation to actually move forward with an impeachment. The invasion the other day is just a very immature behavior of the Rep's. They've fallen down to the same man-child behavior and attitude as Trump. It's confirmed, we now have babies ruling the country. yay(!)

 

[Jose Fly]

Blame their media choices. Trump supporters all have 1 thing in common, same radical RW media sources. Republicans that don't rely on these entertainment sources are much more informed.

No doubt. Just last night I was listening to Mark Levin on the radio and he had a Repub Congressman on. In their discussion, they complained that Republicans allegedly weren't allowed to cross-examine the witnesses, and soon thereafter claimed that a Republican who was in the Taylor deposition had "destroyed his claims during cross-examination".

Talk about bizarre........

 

[Jose Fly]

As several have pointed out already, Republicans are represented in the intelligence committee. Besides, these hearings have the purpose for fact finding and not the actual impeachment, therefore it's really not an open trial of any kind. It's an investigation to see if there is a foundation to actually move forward with an impeachment. The invasion the other day is just a very immature behavior of the Rep's. They've fallen down to the same man-child behavior and attitude as Trump. It's confirmed, we now have babies ruling the country. yay(!)

And as noted by Napalitano on Fox News yesterday, they're following the rules put in place by John Boehner in 2015.

But why let facts get in the way of one's talking points?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Then what was all the secrecy and closed doors about?

That is common in a Grand Jury. Read my Wiki link. At this point the House is holding the equivalent of one of those. The idea is that one does not want possible parties involved in the crime with communicating with each other.

Guess who wrote the rules that the Democrats followed? Here is clue for you it was the R(finish the word for yourself).

 

[Twilight Hue]

They're conducting depositions that involves classified material.

Shouldn't you know this sort of thing?

The meeting was held in the house SCIF.

A secure room. It doesn't necessarily mean there's classified material presented in this case.

 

[Twilight Hue]

That is common in a Grand Jury. Read my Wiki link. At this point the House is holding the equivalent of one of those. The idea is that one does not want possible parties involved in the crime with communicating with each other.

Guess who wrote the rules that the Democrats followed? Here is clue for you it was the R(finish the word for yourself).

Tell me, is Trump formally indicted?

 

[Ouroboros]

Tell me, is Trump formally indicted?

No. He's not.

That's why a comparison with Grand Jury is a good one.

Grand Jury: "a jury, typically of twenty-three people, selected to examine the validity of an accusation before trial."

A Grand Jury would make the indictment. That's the point. The whole charade that Trump is being in trial is ludicrous because he isn't... yet. These preliminary hearings are to substantiate if there is evidence for wrongdoing. It's not the trial itself. It's the preparation and investigation to see if there is a case.

The police won't tell you facts about an ongoing investigation either. I guess they're all witch-hunters.

 

[Jose Fly]

The meeting was held in the house SCIF.

A secure room. It doesn't necessarily mean there's classified material presented in this case.

So what do you think is going on?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Tell me, is Trump formally indicted?

Of course not. That is what impeachment is. What is going on right now is the investigation that leads to impeachment.

Once again the analogy to this stage is that of the Grand Jury. Read the link that I provided. When the House votes that will be the same as the end of the Grand Jury process. The Grand Jury votes to indict. The House votes to impeach. Then in the civilian world the next step is a trial, where the defense gets to cross examine etc.. And the next step in the House would be the discussion of the evidence against the President and then a vote for impeachment. If the President is impeached then the next step is a trial in the Senate. There the witnesses will be presented, questioned, cross examined etc..

 

[Sand Dancer]

The Democrat lynch mobs of old, also planned their treacheries behind closed doors, since transparency would spoil their unjust conspiracies. They also wore hoods to hide their identities. Each week, the New Democrat KKK, has come up with a new smoking gun, only to have it jam.

Trump is letting this happen because it is backfiring on the Democrat leadership, by making Trump look like a victim. Victimization plays a central role in Liberal catechism. This constant assault, now behind closed doors, is creating empathy for Trump, since victims can sense other victims. This will lead to a Trump landslide.

In some respects, this gaming is starting to feel choreographed, similar to a professional wrestling match. In professional wrestling, the villain is playing dirty, breaking the rules, out of sight of the referee. The hero is half knocked out, taking abuse, but he still standing. Near the end, the hero gets a second wind and quickly turns the tide, leading to victory. What we are seeing may be a planned show; reality TV. It is designed to help the media industries and to engage audiences. Trump may be the Producer. He is the one who got the Ukraine episode going.

As far as Ukraine, and the latest witness for the Democrats, that witness was part of a think tank, that is funded by the same energy firm, who was paying Hunter Biden. This is this week's soap opera, with the villain still playing dirty.

Current KKK isn't Dem...Reality isn't really your thing, is it?

 

[Sand Dancer]

No, it is accurate
You either believe in due process or you don't, media fans the flames.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Current KKK isn't Dem...Reality isn't really your thing, is it?

It isn't Republicans either.

 

[Twilight Hue]

So what do you think is going on?

I don't know. Yet I'm pretty sure it's not for the good of the country.

A lot of it I figure has to do with vendetta's because the Socialist Democrats cannot stand losing the election so I would speculate it would be closer to a coup attempt of a sitting president than anything else.

For what it's worth I don't think the Republicans should have barged into the meeting like that.

 

[Jose Fly]

I don't know. Yet I'm pretty sure it's not for the good of the country.

If you don't know what's going on, on what basis do you conclude that it's bad for the country?

A lot of it I figure has to do with vendetta's because the Socialist Democrats cannot stand losing the election so I would speculate it would be closer to a coup attempt of a sitting president than anything else.

What's the difference between impeaching a President and staging a coup?

For what it's worth I don't think the Republicans should have barged into the meeting like that.

I agree.

 

[Shad]

The police won't tell you facts about an ongoing investigation either. I guess they're all witch-hunters.

Police release statements all the time. Just like the Dems released Taylor's statement of 15 pages but nothing more. Police can be charged with bad faith conduct. Police can frame a case by selective investigation. Prosecution as well. Hence wrongful conviction

 

[Subduction Zone]

Police release statements all the time. Just like the Dems released Taylor's statement of 15 pages but nothing more. Police can be charged with bad faith conduct. Police can frame a case by selective investigation. Prosecution as well. Hence wrongful conviction

What more do you want?

The House is doing their job. They are acting as a Grand Jury. Read the wiki article that I linked on this. And Republicans agree. Or at least they should. The Democrats are following the rules introduced by the Republicans for the Behghazi investigation.

 

[Ouroboros]

Police release statements all the time. Just like the Dems released Taylor's statement of 15 pages but nothing more. Police can be charged with bad faith conduct. Police can frame a case by selective investigation. Prosecution as well. Hence wrongful conviction

They release statements, which are made by the police and what they choose to see fit. The House is releasing information as they see fit. Not different at all.

Police can be charged, yes, but that's after the investigation is over. The police isn't charged with misconduct or withholding information or evidence while the investigation is ongoing. Neither should the House.

Prosecution is relating to a trial, which isn't the case of an investigation. Wrongful conviction is also relating to trial, which is not part of the investigation either.

What's going on right now is an investigation that could lead to impeachment hearings, but the trial is going to be done by the Senate, which is dominated by Republicans. Not sure why everyone is so worked up about this. The House can't do anything. They can only do the investigation, the hearings, and their results, but then it's up to the Senate to decide if there's going to be anything coming out of it.

The Rep's and Fox are acting like children right now. What the House is doing is not a threat to Trump is he's innocent. The GOP won't let anything happen to him anyway. Just let the House do what it's supposed to do, or what it think it should do, and then the Senate can make a decision.

I think the fear is really about that they all know Trump is guilty. They don't want it to come out that they supported a criminal.