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Model Karlie Kross runs afoul of SJWs !

Rival

Diex Aie
Staff member
Premium Member
Right now, I'm talking about what the anti-SJWs want.

This episode with the model was brought up as an example of SJW intolerance. The only way I can see it playing out any differently is if the people who didn't like the photo shoot stayed silent.

So is silence what you want?
I would prefer it if they said something like,

"Some of us find this photoshoot offensive because [insert reason here]. However, other people might not find it to be such. We would appreciate an apology though."

Or something, and leave it there.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
I would prefer it if they said something like,

"Some of us find this photoshoot offensive because [insert reason here]. However, other people might not find it to be such. We would appreciate an apology though."

Or something, and leave it there.
Why is it their job to express the opinions of others?
 

Rival

Diex Aie
Staff member
Premium Member
Why is it their job to express the opinions of others?
Because sometimes people have the same opinions. It's best to leave the model just one message so that she gets the point that some people are offended, and leave it there.
 

The Kilted Heathen

Crow FreyjasmaðR
Not just 30 years ago...
Oh, told by who - the National Inquirer? I find it absolutely astounding that people laugh when they tell stories of J-Lo's cellulite, but cling to their claim of her rampant racism as though it's the Gospel truth.

Do I think she was entitled to her shows? No. But she is entitled to her life, which has been summarily ruined by mob justice thanks to SJW's.

This seems like hyperbole,
Only it's not. Example 1, Example 2. Not to mention his Twitter account has been both unverified and censored from time to time. Just because he has "extreme views" (and what are those "extreme views", really?) is no excuse.

And that someone modeling as another culture - respectfully and beautifully - is seen as "insensitive" (unintentional or not) is just sad.

You'll have to provide some specifics for this one.
Example. This is a good one; how dare he show history!

It's amusingly hypocritical that you'd demonize a group in the same breath that you complain about them demonizing others.
They do that to themselves, with every riot they incite.

So you want people who disagree with you to be silent. That's what I thought.
No, that's not at all what I said; don't put words in my mouth. I don't want them to be silent because I disagree with them, I don't want my life - and the lives of others - ruined because they disagree with us.
 

Kirran

Premium Member
Two people in this thread - yourself included - literally self-identified as SJW without being called it by "right wing types." I live in a very liberal college town, and have heard the term claimed with zealous pride. It is not satire and irony. It is a social danger, a threat to free thought, and I would honestly think twice before claiming any part in their numbers.

Yeah we were both doing it satirically. I've been involved in activism and have never in my life met someone who wasn't claiming the title sardonically.

It may become one of those reclaimed slurs.

"The difference between a SJW and an activist: An activist tries to get a ramp added to a building for easier wheelchair access. The SJW tries to get the stairs removed because they might offend people who can't use them."

Has that ever happened?
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
In what way has Karlie Kross's life been "ruined"?

9/10ths -

From my perspective, criticism and debate are good things. Free speech is an essential thing.

In many cases, SJWs attempt (and sometimes succeed), in shutting down speech. Of course I defend their right to disagree and debate. But they cross the line when they shut down speech they don't like.
 
talk is being had in Kansas right now, upping "micro-aggressions" as grounds for expulsion and termination as early as Kindergarten.

Micro ****ing aggressions are such a moronic concept that in comparison they make the idea of cultural appropriation seem as intellectually titanic as Hume's Treatise on Human Nature.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Because sometimes people have the same opinions. It's best to leave the model just one message so that she gets the point that some people are offended, and leave it there.
The article in the OP mentioned two comments:

In 2017, Karlie Kloss is featured in US Vogue in yellow face. Absolute madness but I can't say I'm shocked.

Emma Stone, Scarlett Johansson, and Tilda Swinton turn to Karlie Kloss. "Your turn, girl."

Karlie on phone: "Hello, Vogue? Make me Asian."
So you think these comments were inappropriate?
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
9/10ths -

From my perspective, criticism and debate are good things. Free speech is an essential thing.

In many cases, SJWs attempt (and sometimes succeed), in shutting down speech. Of course I defend their right to disagree and debate. But they cross the line when they shut down speech they don't like.
I don't see any "shutting down speech" described in the article you linked to. Do you?
 

The Kilted Heathen

Crow FreyjasmaðR
It's amusingly hypocritical that you'd demonize a group in the same breath that you complain about them demonizing others.
Also to re-address this, I do not demonize SJW's; I criticize and condemn their actions. Demonizing a group is stuff like "All Conservatives are racist" or "People who don't applaud Caitlyn Jenner are homophobic." or anything said about the average Trump supporter, really. Statements that have little evidence, and operate off fear and social stigma. Racist. Homophobic. Xenophobic.

Contrasting this, SJW actions speak for themselves. They are apparent, and their effects are apparent. We see the fires burn. We read the death threats. We see the lectures shut down and the teachers suspended.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
I was responding to the fact that many SJWs tend to crowd people and sort of comment-bomb until an apology is given.
That sounds more like the tactics of the alt-right... the gamergate scandal being one example, or the many cases of doxxing "SJWs".
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I'll note that many (most?) SJWs will outgrow this phase.
So tis best to remember to condemn the behavior, not necessarily the person.

If this sounds condescending, it is.
It's unavoidable when talking about young whippersnappers.
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
I don't see any "shutting down speech" described in the article you linked to. Do you?

I'd say it approaches shutting down speech. There are probably people who appreciate non-Japanese women dressing like Geishas. In this case, the SJWs are negatively impacting those people's right to see that expression. Of course this is not an extreme case.

But it falls into the category of SJWs shutting down free speech. They get speakers uninvited. They ruin lectures. Recently in Berkeley they used violence to create a last minute cancelation. (The Milo incident.)

So no matter how you feel about Milo, you have the right to hear him speak. Perhaps you are a critic of his, and you want to gather data to criticize him. EVERYONE has the right to LISTEN to other's opinions, offensive or not.
 
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