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[Starsoul]

It's well known that Islam doesn't actually condone honor killings, and that those who perform them are the fringe.

well known by who? You? So sorry, but Honor killing has No place in Islam, neither in any of the Islamic countries that I know, or you probably have lived on Mars and have heard aliens say it?

 

[Starsoul]

What I said IS based on research.

Ok this so interesting. Which research? the one you are googling right now?

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Ok this so interesting. Which research? the one you are googling right now?

I will decline beacuse of your insolence.

 

[Starsoul]

I will decline beacuse of your insolence.

hmm I thought its insolence when an untrue statement is said with the confident claim of a 'well known truth'.
I'm sorry though if it appeared insolent to you, didn't mean it that way

 

[angellous_evangellous]

hmm I thought its insolence when an untrue statement is said with the confident claim of a 'well known truth'.
I'm sorry though if it appeared insolent to you, didn't mean it that way

No, it's when a person insults you twice, and then with arrogant hypocrisy imposes a higher standard of proof than she has for herself (twice, by the way).

That's insolence.

 

[Starsoul]

No, it's when a person insults you twice, and then with arrogant hypocrisy imposes a higher standard of proof than she has for herself (twice, by the way).

That's insolence.

Relax who insulted you where? If my comment to your post 'seemed' bad to you, i can assure you that your comment outweighs mine in any insolence that you are talking about.(and to say I learnt it all here on Rf ) If you were just being ' funny' I could avoid it ( i say funny because what you said was not about agreement or disagreement over something, it was just a plain wrong statement) but the comment went on till proud2 be gay offered his statement which was also very wrong.

MAybe you were just laughing it off as just another piece of news, but you should also attempt to acknowledge that people of a different belief than yours take their beliefs with a whole lot of more respect than most other beliefs who can use cuss words with their Prophets Names and make any amount of jokes on them, I call that extremely insolent. (And hence the only offense they take , is related to their personal pride, nothing else is of more reverence, not saying that you do that but quite a number of)

You cannot say that Islamic countries support such a crime without actually knowing what laws they have and your lack of knowhow in that area was a bit obvious, why would you feel its insolent, I dont know so many things all the time, i dont find it insolent :soccer:

Anyhow, you're just pulling it your way, Ive already excused that my intent was not what you took it as.

 

[TJ73]

Relax who insulted you where? If my comment to your post 'seemed' bad to you, i can assure you that your comment outweighs mine in any insolence that you are talking about.(and to say I learnt it all here on Rf ) If you were just being ' funny' I could avoid it ( i say funny because what you said was not about agreement or disagreement over something, it was just a plain wrong statement) but the comment went on till proud2 be gay offered his statement which was also very wrong.

MAybe you were just laughing it off as just another piece of news, but you should also attempt to acknowledge that people of a different belief than yours take their beliefs with a whole lot of more respect than most other beliefs who can use cuss words with their Prophets Names and make any amount of jokes on them, I call that extremely insolent. (And hence the only offense they take , is related to their personal pride, nothing else is of more reverence, not saying that you do that but quite a number of)

You cannot say that Islamic countries support such a crime without actually knowing what laws they have and your lack of knowhow in that area was a bit obvious, why would you feel its insolent, I dont know so many things all the time, i dont find it insolent :soccer:

Anyhow, you're just pulling it your way, Ive already excused that my intent was not what you took it as.

Proud2begay was defending your position. He said Islam does NOT condone honour killings.
Angellous ,I think, was making a statement about the operations of those countries courts, not Muslims per se.
It is passionate talk and there are a lot of opinions out there. I just offer that things are better discussed with some patients.:rainbow1: If not you may misunderstand someones comments and miss out on some support

 

[beenie]

Proud2begay was defending your position. He said Islam does NOT condone honour killings.
Angellous ,I think, was making a statement about the operations of those countries courts, not Muslims per se.
It is passionate talk and there are a lot of opinions out there. I just offer that things are better discussed with some patients.:rainbow1: If not you may misunderstand someones comments and miss out on some support

agree. yikes...Starsoul, please slow down and fully read the posts. you'll see a few posts (including Proud2BeGay's) backing you up.

 

[Bismillah]

It's also well known that a few Islamic countries tolerate it.

It's so cute when Americans take a condescending attitude. Do you want to compare the number lists of who has killed more Muslims?

 

[Sunstone]

It seems there are a lot of killings in the US done by non-Muslims that would be called "honor killings" by Muslims. Some girl leaves an abusive relationship and her ex shows up where she works to gun her down -- maybe along with three or five of her co-workers. How often do you hear about something along those lines? There are tens of thousands of homicides in the US each year. A lot of them probably qualify as honor killings. We just don't call them honor killings.

 

[Hyperborean]

It seems there are a lot of killings in the US done by non-Muslims that would be called "honor killings" by Muslims. Some girl leaves an abusive relationship and her ex shows up where she works to gun her down -- maybe along with three or five of her co-workers. How often do you hear about something along those lines? There are tens of thousands of homicides in the US each year. A lot of them probably qualify as honor killings. We just don't call them honor killings.

It seems that many crimes depend not only on what you do, but who you are or who you do it to. If A white person in America fights another white person, it's just a simple fight, but if he fights a black person it's suddenly a hate crime. If someone vandalizes a church, it's simple vandalism and nobody hears of it, but if someone vandalizes a synagogue it's reported all over the media as a vicious and alarming incident.

 

[TJ73]

It seems that many crimes depend not only on what you do, but who you are or who you do it to. If A white person in America fights another white person, it's just a simple fight, but if he fights a black person it's suddenly a hate crime. If someone vandalizes a church, it's simple vandalism and nobody hears of it, but if someone vandalizes a synagogue it's reported all over the media as a vicious and alarming incident.

There is some truth to this but in the context of the what is on PC menu of the day. And it isn't warrantless. Churches have a long been accepted in this country. There is no uproar about churches or concern when a Christian breaks a law. Blacks and Jews are not as widely accepted by everyone. So there is still fear of the recent past repeating and so more attention is given to crimes against blacks, gays, synagogues or any other group that has not been completely accepted.
And besides that some people notice more when a black person is defended and it may appear like too big of a deal. Others feel like a criminals race is only mentioned when he/she is black usually with a photo.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

It seems there are a lot of killings in the US done by non-Muslims that would be called "honor killings" by Muslims. Some girl leaves an abusive relationship and her ex shows up where she works to gun her down -- maybe along with three or five of her co-workers. How often do you hear about something along those lines? There are tens of thousands of homicides in the US each year. A lot of them probably qualify as honor killings. We just don't call them honor killings.

That's because they're not, Phil.

The term "honor killing" is a specific anthropological term to explain why some women are being killed. It's not about abusive relationships - it's about dishonoring the family in a strict honor/shame culture.

The only honor killings in America would be if a male relative of a family killed a female relative for being raped, being seen in public without a male member of the family, dating the wrong person, or refusing to marry the person her father chooses. Now certainly if a family is prepared to do this, the woman may already be suffering physical and mental abuse.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

There is some truth to this but in the context of the what is on PC menu of the day. And it isn't warrantless. Churches have a long been accepted in this country. There is no uproar about churches or concern when a Christian breaks a law. Blacks and Jews are not as widely accepted by everyone. So there is still fear of the recent past repeating and so more attention is given to crimes against blacks, gays, synagogues or any other group that has not been completely accepted.
And besides that some people notice more when a black person is defended and it may appear like too big of a deal. Others feel like a criminals race is only mentioned when he/she is black usually with a photo.

Like for example, the ongoing sex scandal?

 

[TJ73]

Sure. Also there is no longer any connection to Christianity and the actions of Christians. Which is fine by me. I hope this will be the case for all people, personal responsibility.
I remember the first I ever heard of honor killing was in reference to Asian cultures. Was that common at one time?

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Sure. Also there is no longer any connection to Christianity and the actions of Christians. Which is fine by me. I hope this will be the case for all people, personal responsibility.
I remember the first I ever heard of honor killing was in reference to Asian cultures. Was that common at one time?

That depends on what you consider "Asian." I haven't heard of anything like this in China, Japan (etc). I'll keep an eye out for it, though.

Personally, I think that it's more about geography than religion. Honor killings are rooted in the culture of the area so deeply that it doesn't matter what religion is there - it wouldn't be able to curb the practice but instead be exploited to justify it.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Far too common here in the UK
Almost a daily event.....Though usually carried out by Brothers.
I have never heard of other than Muslims involved.

 

[YmirGF]

That's because they're not, Phil.

The term "honor killing" is a specific anthropological term to explain why some women are being killed. It's not about abusive relationships - it's about dishonoring the family in a strict honor/shame culture.

The only honor killings in America would be if a male relative of a family killed a female relative for being raped, being seen in public without a male member of the family, dating the wrong person, or refusing to marry the person her father chooses. Now certainly if a family is prepared to do this, the woman may already be suffering physical and mental abuse.

Very well said, Daddy. People are entitled to their opinions but they are not entitled to their own facts. When the people involved are stating that it is a point of honor there would seem to be little point in second guessing their motives, by trying to tart it up as being something it is not, or as being something common to all cultures.

 

[YmirGF]

I have never heard of other than Muslims involved.

In "beautiful" B.C. we are currently going through two separate trials involving members of the Sikh community. This is not just a foible of the Muslim psyche.

 

[astarath]

Indeed it is a cultural concept from the middle east however not practiced within Christian and Jewish culture only in Hindu, Islam and Sikh faith.