Modern man like footprints found, evolution theory in doubt.

[Subduction Zone]

So do we respond with actual evidence or do we respond with the usual put downs and excuses for not providing them? What on earth do I have to be scared of? Your unsubstantiated evidence? You've got to be kidding.

I have never used a "put down". I have stated facts. You do not understand what is and what is not evidence. Please note that I offered to help you to understand the concept. If I said that you lacked the intelligence to understand the concept of evidence that would be a put down. I made an observation of a lack of yours and offered a solution.

You claim that we are blind, or ignorant....and yet we see an even more serious form of blindness and ignorance in godless evolutionists.....a complete loss of spirituality. When that quality dies in a person, it is very hard to regenerate it once they have convinced themselves that it is superfluous. Yet spirituality is what God uses to communicate with his human creation. Do you understand why the Creator might not want to show you or teach you anything? The godless have no qualities that he desires....science is your religion and science heavyweights are your gods......their writings are your scripture. You have as much of a belief system as we do.

Actually you prove it constantly. How many times have you been corrected on your "chance" claim? And if you want to claim that your god exists, he really is not part of this debate, then the burden of proof is upon you. Countless Christians accept the theory of evolution (also known as reality) and still believe in God. They understand that Genesis was never meant to be read literally.

When the time comes to account to the Creator...(as I believe we all will)....you will understand why he rejects the godless for citizenship in the earthly society he proposes for the future. This life is a test of our suitability and how we demonstrate our ability to use our free will wisely....for the benefit of others rather than ourselves.

Please, if anything if I am going to be poorly you will be too. False threats only show that you have no real arguments.

You don't have to believe that of course......but what if its true? Who has the most to lose in this argument?

What if the Muslim God is real? What if the Hindus are right? Or the Buddhists. If you are going to play that game then it is best to pick the god that has the best heaven with the best odds of getting in. By your standards you should be a Pastafarian.

You guys can't even voice an honest opinion in your own circles because you would lose all credibility with your peers and the science community. Scared? I think we know whose scared.....the ones who can't or won't present their plain English evidence that macro-evolution ever happened. Give us the simple truth and we will evaluate it honestly...and with the same scrutiny that you give the Creator and his scriptures.

Pure nonsense and a breaking of the Ninth Commandment to boot. It is sad that you can't even follow your own book of myths.

 

[Deeje]

I have never used a "put down". I have stated facts. You do not understand what is and what is not evidence. Please note that I offered to help you to understand the concept. If I said that you lacked the intelligence to understand the concept of evidence that would be a put down. I made an observation of a lack of yours and offered a solution.

For starters, you have not stated facts.....you have stated your opinions which are influenced by your chosen 'religion'. I do not subscribe to science's version of events.....which have only been bandied about for about the last 100 years....so I believe that the burden of proof is on science to show us proof that macro-evolution is true. To date, I have seen nothing substantiated. I see lots of guesswork woven into a tall tale but with no proof that what they think "might have" or "could have" happened, ever did. Nice graphics prove nothing.

I also see protests by the truckload....but protests are not facts either. I have seen no evidence that is not based on suggestion. You got anything better?

Actually you prove it constantly.

I know ....its hard when the evidence is just not there....isn't it? If only you could provide us with something you can prove....not something that relies on faith and belief....otherwise you are in exactly the same position as we are.

if you want to claim that your god exists, he really is not part of this debate, then the burden of proof is upon you.

Personally, it matters little to me if you athiests believe in God or not...if you have made your decision and nothing will sway you, then so be it....

My sole aim is to educate the readers here who might be laboring under the misapprehension that science has actually proven macro-evolution beyond a shadow of doubt, and that they have evidence to back up their claims. We know from the scientists' own admissions that nothing could be further from the truth. They have an unprovable theory and nothing they present is more than conjecture. Science can no more "prove" their theory than ID proponents can "prove" the existence of the Creator.
I just know that one of us is going to be very disappointed.

Countless Christians accept the theory of evolution (also known as reality) and still believe in God. They understand that Genesis was never meant to be read literally.

I am not "countless Christians" and I am not part of Christendom. I have no beliefs in common with any of them.
My beliefs come from the Bible....not "countless Christians" or other ID believers. OK?

I don't support YEC and I firmly believe that the universe, including the earth is millions of years old. The Genesis account does not fight with that.

False threats only show that you have no real arguments.

What makes you think that the one who created the universe doesn't have jurisdiction over his own creation? He doesn't disappear just because you don't want to believe in him. He never threatens anyone either...he just tells us about the consequences of our own actions and choices made as a result of the free will he gave us. Our future is in our own hands. We choose our own destiny.

What if the Muslim God is real? What if the Hindus are right? Or the Buddhists.

What if they are.....what do you imagine will happen?

I have no reason to believe in their gods....I have my own. I follow the teachings of Jesus Christ whom I believe was born and raised, Jewish. He did not come to start a new religion but to clean up the old one and to adjust a few rules that no longer applied since his successful mission on earth. You don't have to believe it.

Pure nonsense and a breaking of the Ninth Commandment to boot. It is sad that you can't even follow your own book of myths.

"Pure nonsense" is just your opinion.....and it amuses me greatly when atheists quote scripture

.....what do you hope to accomplish? Some kind of emotional blackmail? Seriously mate, you've picked the wrong person. In order to break the ninth commandment, I'd have to first acknowledge that science teaches the truth about the 'origin of species'....I flat out reject it because science cannot even get close to proving that it ever happened.

I don't tell lies.....I just expose them. Your fairy tale is as provable as you think my fairy tale is. That is the message.....I invite people to really read what what scientists write about their "evidence".....without assuming that what they say has any real basis in fact, because the scientists tell us that there are no facts.
Go figure

 

[Subduction Zone]

For starters, you have not stated facts.....you have stated your opinions which are influenced by your chosen 'religion'. I do not subscribe to science's version of events.....which have only been bandied about for about the last 100 years....so I believe that the burden of proof is on science to show us proof that macro-evolution is true. To date, I have seen nothing substantiated. I see lots of guesswork woven into a tall tale but with no proof that what they think "might have" or "could have" happened, ever did. Nice graphics prove nothing.

I also see protests by the truckload....but protests are not facts either. I have seen no evidence that is not based on suggestion. You got anything better?

Wrong, I have stated facts. I can support my claims. Something that you do not seem to be able to do. I do not have a religion, that is your flaw. It affects your ability to reason logically. And science has proved macro-evolution. Your willful ignorance does not mean that those on the evolution side have not met their burden of proof.

That is why when someone makes such basic errors as you have that I always offer to go over the basics of science. I am willing to believe that you simply do not understand how science is done rather than believe that you are a liar or idiot. You could learn the basics if you wanted to. It is most likely your fear that is keeping you from doing so (now that may be an opinion).

I know ....its hard when the evidence is just not there....isn't it? If only you could provide us with something you can prove....not something that relies on faith and belief....otherwise you are in exactly the same position as we are.

But it is there. Once again we have a dichotomy. Either you are lying or you are ignorant of what is and what is not evidence. Again I choose to be generous and assume that you do not understand the nature of evidence.

Personally, it matters little to me if you athiests believe in God or not...if you have made your decision and nothing will sway you, then so be it....

Sorry, but accepting reality has nothing to do with believing in God or not. You are making the error of thinking that Christians have to believe the myths of Genesis. Most do not.

My sole aim is to educate the readers here who might be laboring under the misapprehension that science has actually proven macro-evolution beyond a shadow of doubt, and that they have evidence to back up their claims. We know from the scientists' own admissions that nothing could be further from the truth. They have an unprovable theory and nothing they present is more than conjecture. Science can no more "prove" their theory than ID proponents can "prove" the existence of the Creator.
I just know that one of us is going to be very disappointed.

I am sorry, but when your education is so sadly lacking I doubt if you will accomplish that feat. All you can do is to constantly demonstrate your own ignorance. Ignorance is not a winning debate technique.

I am not "countless Christians" and I am not part of Christendom. I have no beliefs in common with any of them.
My beliefs come from the Bible....not "countless Christians" or other ID believers. OK?

Yes, you don't know how to read the Bible. I got it.

I don't support YEC and I firmly believe that the universe, including the earth is millions of years old. The Genesis account does not fight with that.

Do you accept the flood myth? If so you are not all that different from YEC's which are not all that different from Flat Earthers.

What makes you think that the one who created the universe doesn't have jurisdiction over his own creation? He doesn't disappear just because you don't want to believe in him. He never threatens anyone either...he just tells us about the consequences of our own actions and choices made as a result of the free will he gave us. Our future is in our own hands. We choose our own destiny.

The question is why do you believe in a lying god? Most Christians don't.

What if they are.....what do you imagine will happen?

I have no reason to believe in their gods....I have my own. I follow the teachings of Jesus Christ whom I believe was born and raised, Jewish. He did not come to start a new religion but to clean up the old one and to adjust a few rules that no longer applied since his successful mission on earth. You don't have to believe it.

The problem is that your personal version of god is demonstrably wrong. So you are in an even worse position than I am if there is a god. Once again, if you are going to be so foolish as to play the Pascal's wager game you should be a Pastafarian.

"Pure nonsense" is just your opinion.....and it amuses me greatly when atheists quote scripture

.....what do you hope to accomplish? Some kind of emotional blackmail? Seriously mate, you've picked the wrong person. In order to break the ninth commandment, I'd have to first acknowledge that science teaches the truth about the 'origin of species'....I flat out reject it because science cannot even get close to proving that it ever happened.

Wrong again. It is a demonstrable fact. Your running away from defending your fallacious beliefs only confirms that you know that too. And no, you do not understand the Ninth Commandment either. When you make claims about others that you cannot back up that is "Bearing false witness against your neighbor". If you can't make your case you should keep your mouth shut is what that commandment teaches. You are far too restrictive in your understanding of it and therefore wrong.

I don't tell lies.....I just expose them. Your fairy tale is as provable as you think my fairy tale is. That is the message.....I invite people to really read what what scientists write about their "evidence".....without assuming that what they say has any real basis in fact, because the scientists tell us that there are no facts.
Go figure

Once again, breaking the Ninth Commandment is not limited to openly telling lies. And whether you realize it or not you are telling lies. You may not be "lying" because you may not have an intent to deceive. Many people pass on lies without knowing that they are lies. One way to tell is to ask yourself if you can really support your claims. If you can't you need to be open to the fact that you may be passing on falsehoods without knowing it. That is why making claims about others that you cannot back up is "Bearing false witness" and a breaking of the Ninth. A wise person would keep quiet on matters that he or she was not sure about.

 

[dad1]

Humans did not exist that far back.

Ah...so there could not be human prints, because in your belief set there were no men living on earth.

 

[dad1]

Yes, you don't know how to read the Bible. I got it..

We should ask someone who has either rejected it, or doesn't believe it eh? Don't think so.

 

[dad1]

Wrong again dad. .

So tell us how that works, you believe in some real god? Fess up.

 

[dad1]

For starters, you have not stated facts.....you have stated your opinions which are influenced by your chosen 'religion'.

Pot, meet kettle.

 

[dad1]

What do you mean"would really make no sense"? Species do go extinct when they can no longer compete with other species. That does not imply a "different state".

I mean if they made so much sense here, we might see the gulls that were as big as a small plane still maybe. Instead, Occam says that a nature change necessitating many creatures to adapt and evolve seems a better explanation.

"
"The long wings would have been cumbersome and it would have probably spent as little time as possible walking around," Dr Ksepka explained.

Taking off would also have been an ungainly affair.

Computer models reveal that the bird could not have taken off by simply standing still and flapping its wings.

Instead, scientists think P. sandersi might have had to waddle downhill and hope to catch a gust of air."

'Largest flying bird' identified

Hahahahaha

 

[Subduction Zone]

So tell us how that works, you believe in some real god? Fess up.

Nope, I do not have that flaw. Show me some valid evidence for a god and I could easily change my mind.

Have you ever stopped to think that if your god was the real deal that it should be obvious to all?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I mean if they made so much sense here, we might see the gulls that were as big as a small plane still maybe. Instead, Occam says that a nature change necessitating many creatures to adapt and evolve seems a better explanation.

"
"The long wings would have been cumbersome and it would have probably spent as little time as possible walking around," Dr Ksepka explained.

Taking off would also have been an ungainly affair.

Computer models reveal that the bird could not have taken off by simply standing still and flapping its wings.

Instead, scientists think P. sandersi might have had to waddle downhill and hope to catch a gust of air."

'Largest flying bird' identified

Hahahahaha

You simply do not understand natural selection. Bigger is not always better.

 

[dad1]

Nope, I do not have that flaw. Show me some valid evidence for a god and I could easily change my mind.

Have you ever stopped to think that if your god was the real deal that it should be obvious to all?

So you believe in no god but think you can dictate what God really is like?

 

[dad1]

You simply do not understand natural selection. Bigger is not always better.

Not everything has to be selected in this nature for this nature, by this nature. In fact another different past nature would better explain many changes in creatures that we observe. You see not all things need to be filtered through the narrow lenses of your belief set.

 

[Sapiens]

Not everything has to be selected in this nature for this nature, by this nature. In fact another different past nature would better explain many changes in creatures that we observe. You see not all things need to be filtered through the narrow lenses of your belief set.

Examples and evidence please.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Not everything has to be selected in this nature for this nature, by this nature. In fact another different past nature would better explain many changes in creatures that we observe. You see not all things need to be filtered through the narrow lenses of your belief set.

You are back to your failed different state past. Without any evidence at all for it all that it boils down to is a claim by you that God is a liar.

 

[Subduction Zone]

So you believe in no god but think you can dictate what God really is like?

No, I simply ask people what sort of god they believe in. A self contradicting god does not exist. For example you claim that god lied and then god cannot lie. Your version of god is self contradictory.

 

[dad1]

Nope, I do not have that flaw. Show me some valid evidence for a god and I could easily change my mind.

Have you ever stopped to think that if your god was the real deal that it should be obvious to all?

The point was not whether you change your mind. The point was that you, who admit having no god, are not in a position to tell others they have it wrong about their God.

 

[dad1]

Examples and evidence please.

There was the link I just gave about the big fossil bird. There are other big birds and other large creatures also, that don't make a lot of sense in this nature. With the current climate it also would not be great for big dinos in the way of plenteous food. One example is the arctic, where they found dino fossils. Not a lot of food there now. Then there is the recorded lifespans of humans of around 1000 years. That doesn't happen in this nature today. Now if you want to claim it is all natural selection, and the strongest or biggest wins out, why were the beavers something like 8 feet long at one time, and dragonflies 18 inches...etc?

 

[dad1]

No, I simply ask people what sort of god they believe in. A self contradicting god does not exist. For example you claim that god lied and then god cannot lie. Your version of god is self contradictory.

Only in your belief based mental constructs does God contradict anything. In the mind of those who do not go through your gods of science or doubting Thomas interpretations of Scripture, God does very well, thank you very much.

 

[dad1]

You are back to your failed different state past. Without any evidence at all for it all that it boils down to is a claim by you that God is a liar.

You allude to some science that supports a same nature in the past but we see nothing posted but frothy false bravado.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The point was not whether you change your mind. The point was that you, who admit having no god, are not in a position to tell others they have it wrong about their God.

My mind is not poisoned by false beliefs. That is why I can see the countless flaws in the false god that you worship.