Modern man like footprints found, evolution theory in doubt.

[Subduction Zone]

Only in your belief based mental constructs does God contradict anything. In the mind of those who do not go through your gods of science or doubting Thomas interpretations of Scripture, God does very well, thank you very much.

Thanks for admitting that your god does not exist since the Bible is loaded with self contradictions.

Perhaps there is a God out there that does very well. Too bad that you do not know him.

 

[Subduction Zone]

You allude to some science that supports a same nature in the past but we see nothing posted but frothy false bravado.

Wrong again. You have it backwards, but then you know that is the case. We have evidence that the states were always the same. You are the one that needs to support your whacky claim. You can't so you try to shift the burden of proof. Until you show some evidence you are wrong. Until you show some evidence, you lose.

 

[Sapiens]

There was the link I just gave about the big fossil bird. There are other big birds and other large creatures also, that don't make a lot of sense in this nature. With the current climate it also would not be great for big dinos in the way of plenteous food. One example is the arctic, where they found dino fossils. Not a lot of food there now. Then there is the recorded lifespans of humans of around 1000 years. That doesn't happen in this nature today. Now if you want to claim it is all natural selection, and the strongest or biggest wins out, why were the beavers something like 8 feet long at one time, and dragonflies 18 inches...etc?

I asked for examples and evidence, you provide only stutters that reveal an abysmal lack of evolutionary and historical knowledge e.g., the land now in the arctic was well south of the arctic circle in the mesozoic, human lifespans of 1000 years are only "recorded" in legends and fairy tales, beavers were once 8 feet long because the niche space available at that time favored larger mammals than it does today, dragonflies were much bigger (up to a yard) for the same reason but specifically because the atmospheric oxygen was about a third higher permitting animals with haemocoel circulation to grow to larger sizes that they can in today's lower oxygen atmosphere.

 

[SkepticThinker]

They are the same thing, despite the attempted separation of the embarrassing part of the evo fable about the unprovable first life form. The imaginary first life forms wafted in by imaginary comets, or in an imaginary deep see vent..pond or whatever all are claimed to have evolved in the same way as anything else. I understand why many evos want to distance themselves from the very beginning in the theory of evolution.

"Evolutionists" don't generally study abiogenesis.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Only in your belief based mental constructs does God contradict anything. In the mind of those who do not go through your gods of science or doubting Thomas interpretations of Scripture, God does very well, thank you very much.

So you don't follow basic logic either?

I guess that would explain your stance in this thread.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Wrong. I say it is my default. You can default to the Easter bunny or whatever if you like. Feel free.

I'm trying to figure out why you think it should be the default position. You have provided no illumination on the subject whatsoever.

I'm not sure why this has to be so difficult.

The claims all rest n a same nature existing then. That cannot be backed up. All they can do is try and patch up their ever failing and ever changing mental constructs of faith with some seeming cohesion inside their own circular belief set.

It is you who seems to have major problems backing up any of your claims. You haven't backed up a single one yet.

 

[dad1]

My mind is not poisoned by false beliefs. That is why I can see the countless flaws in the false god that you worship.

Thanks for the update on what you think your mind is like.

 

[dad1]

Thanks for admitting that your god does not exist since the Bible is loaded with self contradictions.

Perhaps there is a God out there that does very well. Too bad that you do not know him.

Which part of 'I don't care what you think about the bible' are you missing here?

 

[dad1]

Wrong again. You have it backwards, but then you know that is the case. We have evidence that the states were always the same. You are the one that needs to support your whacky claim. You can't so you try to shift the burden of proof. Until you show some evidence you are wrong. Until you show some evidence, you lose.

No science to support your strange little claims still, then. OK.

 

[dad1]

I asked for examples and evidence, you provide only stutters that reveal an abysmal lack of evolutionary and historical knowledge e.g., the land now in the arctic was well south of the arctic circle in the mesozoic,

Yes and the climate was different worldwide...so? Have you evidence of polar caps at that time? With your timetable for the continental movements, we still would have many creatures there like mammoths with little to eat, no?

Then there were the strange forests up there. To explain how they lived, science invokes warm winds that 'golly gee, just must have blown in there at the time'. Ha.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/03/020322074547.htm

human lifespans of 1000 years are only "recorded" in legends and fairy tales,

Far as science knows, that is the case. Too bad science is clueless about history and the early days of man eh?

beavers were once 8 feet long because the niche space available at that time favored larger mammals than it does today, dragonflies were much bigger (up to a yard) for the same reason but specifically because the atmospheric oxygen was about a third higher permitting animals with haemocoel circulation to grow to larger sizes that they can in today's lower oxygen atmosphere.

Oh really!! Easy to do an experiment then. Create for us some niche now where beavers grow 8 feet long!!!!


Put lots of oxygen in a huge tank with dragonflies and see if they grow to a foot and a half long!!!

Ha.

 

[dad1]

"Evolutionists" don't generally study abiogenesis.

I don't blame them, I would be embarrassed too.

 

[dad1]

So you don't follow basic logic either?

I guess that would explain your stance in this thread.

If you claim some bible contradiction post it, rather than doing verbal gymnastics?

 

[dad1]

I'm trying to figure out why you think it should be the default position. You have provided no illumination on the subject whatsoever.

Why the bible is world renowned for it's prophesies that are now history, and the witnessed Resurrection of Jesus, and etc etc is not something worthy of debate. Only denial or belief.

Once we see your fail to prove your required same nature in the past, who really cares what else you fall back to or on? Be happy, pick any belief you like.

It is you who seems to have major problems backing up any of your claims. You haven't backed up a single one yet.

My claim that science does not know, and cannot prove the same nature in the past it uses for all models of the past is backed up to the hilt and beyond here! Your fail screams out to us.

 

[Sapiens]

Yes and the climate was different worldwide...so? Have you evidence of polar caps at that time? With your timetable for the continental movements, we still would have many creatures there like mammoths with little to eat, no?

Then there were the strange forests up there. To explain how they lived, science invokes warm winds that 'golly gee, just must have blown in there at the time'. Ha.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/03/020322074547.htm


Far as science knows, that is the case. Too bad science is clueless about history and the early days of man eh?

Oh really!! Easy to do an experiment then. Create for us some niche now where beavers grow 8 feet long!!!!


Put lots of oxygen in a huge tank with dragonflies and see if they grow to a foot and a half long!!!

Ha.

Evolution takes many generations, it seems that everyone understands that but you.

 

[dad1]

Evolution takes many generations, it seems that everyone understands that but you.

Now it does. That is the way OUR present laws and nature work. In the former nature...you have NO idea how changes occurred. Face it.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Which part of 'I don't care what you think about the bible' are you missing here?

dad, you simply don't understand your book of myth as shown in our countless debates about it. But then you know that.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No science to support your strange little claims still, then. OK.

Wrong again dad, I will gladly run you thought the basics, but for you we are going to have to start at a grade school level. Are you ready to learn or are you going to run away again?

 

[Sapiens]

Now it does. That is the way OUR present laws and nature work. In the former nature...you have NO idea how changes occurred. Face it.

Your denial of the obvious (basic uniformitarianism) sans evidence, reduces all conversations to meaningless and ill defined, undefined drivel while wrongfully contradicting many things concerning the past that are well evidenced.

 

[dad1]

Wrong again dad, I will gladly run you thought the basics, but for you we are going to have to start at a grade school level. Are you ready to learn or are you going to run away again?

Your posts speak for themselves...devoid of content.

 

[dad1]

Your denial of the obvious (basic uniformitarianism) sans evidence, reduces all conversations to meaningless and ill defined, undefined drivel while wrongfully contradicting many things concerning the past that are well evidenced.

One must support a claimed uniform past, rather than say the word as if it has meaning to their fantasy. In the case of the nature in Adam and Noah's day, science does not know what that nature was. Dance all day, it won't change that.