Modern man like footprints found, evolution theory in doubt.

[dad1]

dad, since you continually run away when you are shown to be wrong I am demanding an answer ahead of time. You have run away from answering that question:

Can your God lie?

That does not help your fail to produce any evidence that you claim exists of the flood of Noah being proven wrong '200 years ago'

You should understand that I am not interested in your religious games or opinions of God or His word.

 

[dad1]

Wrong again dad. Not when the concentrations of isotopes are exactly what is predicted by theory. That puts the burden of proof back on you.

Same thing, because theory is based on what we observe in this nature.

Now if you are suggesting that some alignment in fantasy stories seems to agree inside your belief system, well, that is irrelevant. If you use the same past state to determine ages for several things and they all seem old to you based on that, who cares?

Basically all you are trying to say is , IF all the isotopes in ratios were created by and caused by this present nature...THEN we would expect that the big amount of daughter isotopes we see took a long time to come to exist as we predict! There is no way to prove that. The same thing is true is we assume that most of the daughter was here already before this decay nature started. No way to prove that either.

 

[Subduction Zone]

That does not help your fail to produce any evidence that you claim exists of the flood of Noah being proven wrong '200 years ago'

You should understand that I am not interested in your religious games or opinions of God or His word.

dad, remember, you do not even understand what is and what is not evidence. And because of your history I will not answer your question for you until you meet pass a very very low bar.

Why are you afraid to claim that your God does not lie? Is it because you know that you will lose if you do and that worshiping a lying God irritates you?

You know you have lost either way.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Same thing, because theory is based on what we observe in this nature.

Now if you are suggesting that some alignment in fantasy stories seems to agree inside your belief system, well, that is irrelevant. If you use the same past state to determine ages for several things and they all seem old to you based on that, who cares?

Basically all you are trying to say is , IF all the isotopes in ratios were created by and caused by this present nature...THEN we would expect that the big amount of daughter isotopes we see took a long time to come to exist as we predict! There is no way to prove that. The same thing is true is we assume that most of the daughter was here already before this decay nature started. No way to prove that either.

Sorry dad, you lost

Try again.

 

[Tiberius]

Same basic thing, because if all of the isotopes with half lives beyond when this nature started were already here when it started, ratios lose significance!

You really have no idea what you are talking about.

The Dunning Kruger effect in action!

Great, so when you can tell whether there was or not, get back to us eh?

You're the one claiming that exactly the right amount of daughter isotope was present to make it look exactly like millions of years of decay. You support your claims!

Knowing this nature existed only for several thousand years means that no unit number matters at all. What matters is what was here before the nature started...and the decay we have in this nature.

Why don't they matter? You make lots of claims, but I've never seen you support anything.

 

[ChristineM]

I sometimes think some people run around looking real hard for things to get up in the air about.
[The disability of so called science to prove the nature they claim exited then, and base all models of the past on demands mocking. As for people with some disability how would that be loving to in any way mock it?? That makes no sense.

You think? Really. You certainly are lacking in Christian values. Your compassion for disabiliy is sickening in todays society. And thats why you are trying to shift the blame for your blunder on to me.

As to your views on science and evidence, i truly am at a loss to whether you are just uninformed, deliberately ignorant or a troll.

Loving what?

 

[ChristineM]

The one science knows nothing about and that is in the bible. That one.

It is known in at least 60 different ways that flood as described in the bible did not happen.

And the bible says nothing about a different nature in pre bronze age times

So once again you have nothing, seems to be a habit you are fond of

 

[Subduction Zone]

You think? Really. You certainly are lacking in Christian values. Your compassion for disabiliy is sickening in todays society. And thats why you are trying to shift the blame for your blunder on to me.

As to your views on science and evidence, i truly am at a loss to whether you are just uninformed, deliberately ignorant or a troll.

Loving what?

Some Christians are merely "Christians of convenience". When the Bible goes along with their points of view or supports their personal prejudices they glom onto that part of the Bible. I find it rather ironic that atheists in general are better Christians than any of these. They follow the meat of Jesus's teachings where Christians of convenience only give them lip service at best. They tend to focus on the vein aspect of their God, his evil lusts, his demand for unearned worship and adoration, not the proper way to live and let live found in the New Testament at times.

 

[dad1]

Is it because you know that you will lose if you do and that worshiping a lying God irritates you?
.

From all indications so far losing is the last thing I need to worry about.

 

[Subduction Zone]

From all indications so far losing is the last thing I need to worry about.

Please dad, you keep forgetting the Ninth Commandment.

 

[dad1]

You really have no idea what you are talking about.

Well, since you have not posted any evidence whatsoever that the isotopes in any ratios that we see had to have been produced in this nature, and could not have been here already, why would we assume you know what you are talking about?

You're the one claiming that exactly the right amount of daughter isotope was present to make it look exactly like millions of years of decay. You support your claims!

If the process changed due to the forces and laws having changed, what should we think happened to the materials...what you thought they should go poof?? Bizarre claim. I would think what we should see is a change in how the atms worked in the various isotopes that were here. So, rather than whatever process that used to exist, the various isotopes now would have to do what they need to do in THIS nature.

Simple.

 

[dad1]

You think? Really. You certainly are lacking in Christian values. Your compassion for disabiliy is sickening in todays society. And thats why you are trying to shift the blame for your blunder on to me.

As to your views on science and evidence, i truly am at a loss to whether you are just uninformed, deliberately ignorant or a troll.

Loving what?

Accusations and vague diatribe then. OK. Thanks for pretending to participate I guess.

 

[dad1]

It is known in at least 60 different ways that flood as described in the bible did not happen.

None of which you list. Suspicious, that.

And the bible says nothing about a different nature in pre bronze age times

The way things were in key areas actually could not happen now.

Sorry, I have to give you a GONG!

 

[ChristineM]

Accusations and vague diatribe then. OK. Thanks for pretending to participate I guess.

The evidence is in post
Modern man like footprints found, evolution theory in doubt.

Backed up by your admission in post
Modern man like footprints found, evolution theory in doubt.

Do you really think people are as stupid as you think they are? Oh that's right, we have already ascertained that you don't think

 

[ChristineM]

None of which you list. Suspicious, that.

The way things were in key areas actually could not happen now.

Sorry, I have to give you a GONG!

You want a list?

Here are 10 from a simple Google search, i don't expect you to educate yourself by actually reading but they are here just in case miracles do happen
Number 10: Where’s the Ark? Surely, the survivors of such an expedition would have remembered the location of the Ark. It’s hard to believe they wouldn’t have built a monument or something — perhaps not as elaborate as one of the Pyramids, or even Stonehenge, but surely they would have done something to mark the resting place of the vessel that preserved them and all life on Earth. But we’re expected to believe that they just walked away and let the thing fade into oblivion.

Number 9: Why has Noah been forgotten?Except for those cultures that have been exposed to the tale of the Ark as found in the Old Testament, no other people on Earth remember the name of Noah — the father of us all. It is absurd in the greatest degree to think that nations which routinely preserve the names of their great kings, warriors, and heroes, have somehow forgotten about Noah, to the point where they don’t even remember his name or the fact that he once existed. [See also: Other Names for Noah?]

Number 8: Who was Noah’s wife? Somehow, the mother of all mankind remains unnamed in Genesis. Not only that, but the wives of Noah’s sons are also unnamed. Again, this is an absurdity. There are non-scriptural texts that provide names for such people, but they are all in disagreement as to what those names were. See Wives aboard Noah’s Ark.

Number 7: Conditions aboard the Ark were unsurvivable. We have previously estimated that they were at least ten times worse than the accommodations aboard a slave ship. See How Horrible Was Life Aboard Noah’s Ark? For our comparison of Noah’s waste removal problems with the similar task faced by Hercules in cleaning the Augean stables, see Waste Disposal on Noah’s Ark.

Number 6. Biogeography is all wrong. If every species of animal on Earth radiated out from the landing site of the Ark, today’s living varieties and their fossilized ancestors should reveal that pattern of dispersal. But as Darwin observed on his round-the-world voyage on the Beagle, the actual distribution of animal life is quite different. See chapters 11 and 12 of Origin of Species here.

Number 5: Where is the evidence of universal population bottlenecks? Except for a few species known to have recently recovered from near extinction, animal life on Earth shows far too much genetic diversity to be descended from only a pair of Ark-borne ancestors a few thousand years ago.

Number 4: What about the water? One of our readers (docbill) told us about this website: All Water On Earth As Sphere Compared To Size Of Earth. Enough water to cover the entire Earth to the height of the tallest mountains would require a much larger sphere of liquid. Where did that extra water come from, and more importantly — where did it go?

Number 3: What about Egypt? They have a written history that precedes, is co-existent with, and which continues uninterruptedly after the time of the Flood, yet somehow they were unaware of that catastrophic global event. The same is true for the Chinese and other cultures. How did a global Flood somehow ignore them, leaving their societies intact?

Number 2: The Earth’s geology is all wrong if there were a recent global flood. This topic is not only too large to explain here, but there’s also the limitation that your Curmudgeon isn’t a geologist. Nevertheless, we know that it was the development of geology that caused belief in the Flood to be discarded. We once posted briefly about one bit of geological evidence that clearly contradicts the Flood myth. See Can Noah’s Flood Explain Banded Iron Stripes?

And the Number One reason the Flood is mythology is: It didn’t work! We’re told that the purpose of the ghastly planet-killing exercise is that mankind was wicked. That’s the reason everything was cruelly destroyed — except for Noah, his righteous family, and their chosen menagerie. Okay, fine, but there’s one little detail — the whole business was a colossal futility!There is still wickedness in the world, which means the planetary slaughter was not only cruel beyond imagining, it was also stupid. But even a creationist would agree that such behavior is incompatible with the nature of God, so the only rational conclusion is that the Flood is a childish myth.
Top Ten Reasons Noah’s Flood is Mythology

Your evidence for your key areas claim is suspicious that you refuse to provide evidence of your claim... See how this works?

You are free to delusion yourself in any way that makes you feel better about being outclassed by a dyslexic blonde woman

 

[Tiberius]

From all indications so far losing is the last thing I need to worry about.

Yeah, because you've already lost. At least you're just embarrassing yourself in the same way over and over again. Considering that this different state past nonsense is the only thing you've got, it's unlikely you'll ever find a different way to embarrass yourself.

You're not afraid of losing this in exactly the same way that a pigeon isn't afraid of losing a game of chess.

 

[Tiberius]

Well, since you have not posted any evidence whatsoever that the isotopes in any ratios that we see had to have been produced in this nature, and could not have been here already, why would we assume you know what you are talking about?

Well, since you have not posted any evidence whatsoever to support your claims of a different state past, why would we assume you know what you are talking about?

If the process changed due to the forces and laws having changed, what should we think happened to the materials...what you thought they should go poof?? Bizarre claim. I would think what we should see is a change in how the atms worked in the various isotopes that were here. So, rather than whatever process that used to exist, the various isotopes now would have to do what they need to do in THIS nature.

Simple.

This doesn't even come close to addressing the problem of why the ratios should have exactly the ratios we expect to see from millions of years of decay.

 

[dad1]

The evidence is in post
Modern man like footprints found, evolution theory in doubt.

Backed up by your admission in post
Modern man like footprints found, evolution theory in doubt.

Do you really think people are as stupid as you think they are? Oh that's right, we have already ascertained that you don't think

Looked at your link. Nothing there at all to support your religion. Not sure why you are spamming the thread,

 

[dad1]

You want a list?

Here are 10 from a simple Google search, i don't expect you to educate yourself by actually reading but they are here just in case miracles do happen
Number 10: Where’s the Ark? Surely, the survivors of such an expedition would have remembered the location of the Ark. It’s hard to believe they wouldn’t have built a monument or something — perhaps not as elaborate as one of the Pyramids, or even Stonehenge, but surely they would have done something to mark the resting place of the vessel that preserved them and all life on Earth. But we’re expected to believe that they just walked away and let the thing fade into oblivion.

Since the rapid continent move was likely after the flood along with great uplifts and subduction and mountain building, etc, not sure why you think it ought to be sitting in Times square or someplace.

Number 9: Why has Noah been forgotten?Except for those cultures that have been exposed to the tale of the Ark as found in the Old Testament, no other people on Earth remember the name of Noah — the father of us all. It is absurd in the greatest degree to think that nations which routinely preserve the names of their great kings, warriors, and heroes, have somehow forgotten about Noah, to the point where they don’t even remember his name or the fact that he once existed. [See also: Other Names for Noah?]

We could ask why so many flood legends exist. Perhaps early cultures called him another name. Who knows?

Number 8: Who was Noah’s wife? Somehow, the mother of all mankind remains unnamed in Genesis. Not only that, but the wives of Noah’s sons are also unnamed. Again, this is an absurdity. There are non-scriptural texts that provide names for such people, but they are all in disagreement as to what those names were. See Wives aboard Noah’s Ark.

God may not be into woman's lib?

Number 7: Conditions aboard the Ark were unsurvivable. We have previously estimated that they were at least ten times worse than the accommodations aboard a slave ship. See How Horrible Was Life Aboard Noah’s Ark? For our comparison of Noah’s waste removal problems with the similar task faced by Hercules in cleaning the Augean stables, see Waste Disposal on Noah’s Ark.

You estimations are wrong. Show the basis for them...we will laugh.

Number 6. Biogeography is all wrong. If every species of animal on Earth radiated out from the landing site of the Ark, today’s living varieties and their fossilized ancestors should reveal that pattern of dispersal. But as Darwin observed on his round-the-world voyage on the Beagle, the actual distribution of animal life is quite different. See chapters 11 and 12 of Origin of Species here.

Since the flood is not known to have been in this present nature, we can expect that most life on earth could not leave fossil remains. So few are expected. We also expect very very very rapid evolution/adapting in the former nature. We also expect the continents were still joined!

Number 5: Where is the evidence of universal population bottlenecks? Except for a few species known to have recently recovered from near extinction, animal life on Earth shows far too much genetic diversity to be descended from only a pair of Ark-borne ancestors a few thousand years ago.

The genetics you base this on probably did not even exist in the former nature. The genetic diversity could come in the former nature easily.

Number 4: What about the water? One of our readers (docbill) told us about this website: All Water On Earth As Sphere Compared To Size Of Earth. Enough water to cover the entire Earth to the height of the tallest mountains would require a much larger sphere of liquid. Where did that extra water come from, and more importantly — where did it go?

Ha. Science theorizes about wormholes. The bible talks of windows in heaven opened up to bring the water from the other side of the stars to earth. You see there was water above the firmament (where the stars were placed).

Number 3: What about Egypt? They have a written history that precedes, is co-existent with, and which continues uninterruptedly after the time of the Flood, yet somehow they were unaware of that catastrophic global event. The same is true for the Chinese and other cultures. How did a global Flood somehow ignore them, leaving their societies intact?

Your dates are totally same state past faith based and wrong. Egypt was post flood.

Number 2: The Earth’s geology is all wrong if there were a recent global flood. This topic is not only too large to explain here, but there’s also the limitation that your Curmudgeon isn’t a geologist. Nevertheless, we know that it was the development of geology that caused belief in the Flood to be discarded. We once posted briefly about one bit of geological evidence that clearly contradicts the Flood myth. See Can Noah’s Flood Explain Banded Iron Stripes?

The flood was just one year and need not explain all things. You want to post some exact formation you think disproves the flood and we can attack that. Until then, sorry, one year is history just does not need to explain everything!

And the Number One reason the Flood is mythology is: It didn’t work! We’re told that the purpose of the ghastly planet-killing exercise is that mankind was wicked. That’s the reason everything was cruelly destroyed — except for Noah, his righteous family, and their chosen menagerie. Okay, fine, but there’s one little detail — the whole business was a colossal futility!There is still wickedness in the world, which means the planetary slaughter was not only cruel beyond imagining, it was also stupid. But even a creationist would agree that such behavior is incompatible with the nature of God, so the only rational conclusion is that the Flood is a childish myth.
Top Ten Reasons Noah’s Flood is Mythology

Wrong. Most people on earth were culled. There was a total reboot. The flood was never to destroy sin. I will note that the flood and later nature change did affect man in ways that really put real limits on the damage real wicked men could do. For example, the languages were confused, the continents separated, and man lived tiny lifespans in comparison after the change. Imagine a Hitler nine centuries old!

Now, got any tough ones? This is too easy.

 

[dad1]

Yeah, because you've already lost. At least you're just embarrassing yourself in the same way over and over again. Considering that this different state past nonsense is the only thing you've got, it's unlikely you'll ever find a different way to embarrass yourself.

You're not afraid of losing this in exactly the same way that a pigeon isn't afraid of losing a game of chess.

Some pigeons are apparently unable to post anything worth reading.