Modern Science proves the Authenticity of the Glorious Qur'an

[YmirGF]

The example of the buses is just :banghead3

While i read most of the posts in this thread, i do not respond. When people get a ntion in their head, especially when it supports their religion, it can never be removed.

Dark... it was intended as a highly simplified scenario. Since you have knowledge in this area why don't you tackle this one.

 

[darkendless]

Dark... it was intended as a highly simplified scenario. Since you have knowledge in this area why don't you tackle this one.

Ok, put simply;

Firstly we need to establish that plates move over the soft mantle causing convection, and rediculous amounts of pressure.

Depending on the type of plate and its interaction, mountains can and will form . The Himilayas are a result of two continental plates smashing into eachother. To refer to the bus example, its like the buses hitting, and then one buses front wheel ending up on the roof of the other bus. In regards to continental plates, its often hard to explain why one plate was pushed above the other because they're they same density and unlike the oceanic plates, we cannot conclude that bouyancy was the reason for uplift.

The three major tectonic actions are:

Transform actions: Plates grind together and no plate is pushed up or down. Since there is a lot of stress and convection, potential energy which is built up as a result, is released as strain (elongation or the stretching of a solid). As we know, rocks aren't too good at stretching in a lot of cases, so this can cause problems depending on where it happens. The San Andraes fault line experiences a lot of transformation along its length.

Rifting actions: As i said before, see floor spreading is an example of rifting. Plates are pulled apart causing a void usually filled with molten magma from the mantle (as you would expect). Hotspots (usually known as volcanos) are created here using kietic energy caused by convective currents beneath. Hotspots only occur when the pressure is great enough to break through the lithosphere. Iceland has a huge divergance in the Alfagja Rift Valley. Its pretty cool looking File:Bridge across continents iceland.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Convergent Actions: This is where the continental and oceanic plates crash into eachother. Because the oceanic plates are more dense than continental plates, the oceanic plates sink under causing mountains due to their lack of bouyancy.

If two continental plates crash together, mountains are formed (like the Himilayas) because one plate doesn't sink below the other (to put it simply). Massve uplift due to convective kinetic energy and pressure is what forms mountians as low density material is pushed between the plates from the mantle.

However, in practice it doesnt quite work like this. In an ideal world thats how plates interact.

So in conclusion. Without adding complicated factors that you would need a PHd in geology to understand, colliding continental plates are just one way in which mountains form, but are by no means the only. Maountains also do not hold the plates together, but in most cases, such as the Himilayas, collisions between the plates keep the mountains growing rather than breaking them apart. Thats why the himilayas are growing.

 

[darkendless]

Just because the mountains are moving does not mean that they are not holding the earth together. I can hold two objects together and move at the same time. So can anyone else. If you can't, that's your issue. But don't make it seem impossible because it's not possible for you.

Mountains do not hold the earth together. Just like Rifts caused by diverging plates do not pull the earth apart. If you consider a rift to be the opposite of a mountain (converging vs. diverging plates), wouldn't rifts be empty voids through to the mantle?

Mountains are either part of a plate that been pushed over and on top of (so to speak) another plate, or volcanic rock pushed out from between two plates. Where Methylated Ghosts lives (mod here) is made of volcanic rock and used to be a large hotspot. Remember though plates do not always collide head on. If a car collides with a bicycle which do you think will go underneath?

 

[YmirGF]

Mountains do not hold the earth together. Just like Rifts caused by diverging plates do not pull the earth apart. If you consider a rift to be the opposite of a mountain (converging vs. diverging plates), wouldn't rifts be empty voids through to the mantle?

Mountains are either part of a plate that been pushed over and on top of (so to speak) another plate, or volcanic rock pushed out from between two plates. Where Methylated Ghosts lives (mod here) is made of volcanic rock and used to be a large hotspot. Remember though plates do not always collide head on. If a car collides with a bicycle which do you think will go underneath?

Perhaps my post was a bit sloppy, Darkness, but everything you have said mirrors what I understand on the subject. I completely agree with the motion of plates with the understanding that they are irregular objects and have different consistencies, velocities, etc... and yes, I understand it is extremely complex stuff which is why I suggested that Fatihah take his road show to the Geographical Society of America. Thank you for your excellent post.

 

[gnostic]

I have two new posts in Why the Qur'an has no scientific values thread that prove that Qur'an and modern science don't mix.

Fatihah wanted proof, so I have given him a couple on why the Qur'an is wrong, scientifically.

 

[Buttons*]

The example of the buses is just :banghead3

While i read most of the posts in this thread, i do not respond. When people get a ntion in their head, especially when it supports their religion, it can never be removed.

Yes, which is why Ymir had to use an example that was simple enough to understand. Even if it's not perfect, it gives a better visual than "go look at the mountains and see for yourself."

I thought it was helpful, if not perfect, and applicable to the discussion.

And Ymir I am sorry I lead you astray.

 

[gnostic]

Yes, which is why Ymir had to use an example that was simple enough to understand. Even if it's not perfect, it gives a better visual than "go look at the mountains and see for yourself."

Well, you do have to explain in ordinary layman's term, otherwise they won't understand the posts if you give them to much technical or scientific jargon.

 

[Buttons*]

Well, you do have to explain in ordinary layman's term, otherwise they won't understand the posts if you give them to much technical or scientific jargon.

Exactly... that's why I thought it was a good example for the Muslims here. Apparently some people don't think so, lol.

 

[gnostic]

Well, you just need to get the message through. You don't need to be perfect. So that's a plus + for YmirGF.

 

[darkendless]

Exactly... that's why I thought it was a good example for the Muslims here. Apparently some people don't think so, lol.

I'm sorry, harsh i know but im wary of using examples that do not accurately reflect what happens. Examples can and will be used against us all lol. I thought it was Fatihah trying to prove that mountains held the earth together. I apologise for my unnecessary bashing of the post.

I want to stress that although what YmirGF proposed is somewhat true, it only applies to one form of tectonic interaction. I'm sure that Fatihah can understand that no collision between the plates is every the same.
Down here in the southern hemisphere mountains are built because we're more dense than you fella's in the north

 

[England my lionheart]

Response: O.K. So if I write anything about you and at the end I put "oh Atoms", is the story now true?

HaHa LOL,Yes,possibly,depends on the context does'nt it,what you fail to see is that Democritus has a valid connection to modern science whereas "Mountains are pegs" to prevent the Earth from shaking does'nt and is incorrect.

 

[YmirGF]

I'm sorry, harsh i know but im wary of using examples that do not accurately reflect what happens. Examples can and will be used against us all lol. I thought it was Fatihah trying to prove that mountains held the earth together. I apologise for my unnecessary bashing of the post.

I want to stress that although what YmirGF proposed is somewhat true, it only applies to one form of tectonic interaction. I'm sure that Fatihah can understand that no collision between the plates is every the same.
Down here in the southern hemisphere mountains are built because we're more dense than you fella's in the north

Thank you for the PM this morning, Dark. I DO feel somewhat vindicated by your comments. For a moment there, I thought I was losing my mind, lol. Thanks again. Isn't it odd how strange things can sound out of context... just like passages from the Qur'an. :bow:

 

[darkendless]

Thank you for the PM this morning, Dark. I DO feel somewhat vindicated by your comments. For a moment there, I thought I was losing my mind, lol. Thanks again. Isn't it odd how strange things can sound out of context... just like passages from the Qur'an. :bow:

Strange yes, i thought i fell off my high horse when i realised i quoted something that was actually the opposite of what i thought it was

Funny thing is, you said exactly what i've said in this thread about 4 pages ago haha.

The Quran is as scientifically valuable as a child's book on Noah's Ark.

 

[themadhair]

Response: This is all true. But what's being done is that people are trying to make it seem as if the qur'an is saying that mountains prevent all earthquakes but it does not say that. There will be earthquakes regardless. What the qur'an states is the scientific fact that mountains prevents quakes in the earth that will move us. There is a difference. The plates in the earth's crust are constantly moving and shifting and the mountains play a role in holding them in place so that when they shift and rub against each other the earth does not continuously move and shake us. But despite all of this, it does not prevent earthquakes completely. This is the point. It's not a complete and permanant prevention of all earthquakes but mountains do prevent some of the quakes in the earth. This science is called isostasy, a science that was discovered recently with advanced technology but was revealed 1400+ years ago with no advanced technology, making it a qur'anic miracle.

And we have placed in the earth firm hills lest it quake with them, and we have placed therein ravines as roads that haply they may find their way.

How skewed does your perception have to be that after even a cursory glance at the two phenomena in question yields definitions that contradict your argument:

Earthquake: A tremor of the earth's surface usually triggered by the release of underground stress along fault lines. Earthquakes can also occur in volcanic regions by tectonic faults and the movement of magma in volcanoes.

Mountain: A landform that stretches above the surrounding land in a limited area usually in the form of a peak. Usually formed by the pressure of tectonic plates in collision or by volcanic activity.

If I was shown a map and asked to pick where the most movement of the earth occurred, I’d pick the mountain ranges just like any geologist would. Claiming that mountains ” prevent some of the quakes in the earth” is simply flat-out wrong Fatihah – and I find simply incredible that, in your zealotry to save face by performing such absurdities as redefining ‘earthquake’ to be something other than a ‘quake in the earth’, you have managed to ignore/miss/blot-out/misunderstand the multitudes of different ways different people on this thread have repeatedly explained and pointed out that mountains do not prevent any earthquakes, shaking or quakes of the earth.

It is also pretty obvious that isostasy doesn’t mean what you think it does Fatihah. I suppose you thought that by using some scientific terminology your argument might sound scientific. The problem you have here Fatihah is that many of the people on this thread do not live inside your koranic ignorance bubble, and many of these people have an understanding about this subject that you clearly do not.

I’m deeply conflicted about you Fatihah. On the one hand I frequently erupt into belly-laughs at some of the roaring ineptitudes and episodes of muppetry you have posted. But on the other hand I feel sympathy because I recognise what I am seeing – namely someone who is disconnected with reality and is desperately fighting to maintain a warped delusion.

In your fervour to reconcile reality and your fantasy you are not merely redefining and misunderstanding whole concepts, you are actually at the point of redefining and misunderstanding the very words used to describe and convey those concepts.

It is, in a word, scary.

 

[YmirGF]

It is, in a word, scary.

Actually there are far better, vastly more applicable, words for it.
What is scary is Muslim birth rates.

 

[Don Penguinoini]

Actually there are far better, vastly more applicable, words for it.
What is scary is Muslim birth rates.

I am getting chills.

 

[Fatihah]

I thought your example was pathetic because it is unlikely that any two plates are moving precisely the same speed and direction. If you have evidence to the contrary, I would honestly like to see it.

Response: I never claimed that they did.

Quote: YmirGF
But, Fatihah, in the post I dissected you did not offer any proof whatsoever. Deep down inside you know that a team of qualified geologists could destroy your argument in a relative heartbeat. So what is the point? Doesn't it strike you as odd to give laypeople the third degree without heading straight to the authorities who can satisfactorily answer your questions?

Response: The whole argument was proof. For you to say that it isn't, you need to show where the error is. I can not provide any links because I'm on my blackberry phone but if you want a site that confirms the scientific claims in which I've said, you can search for isostasy and how mountains are formed on your computer yourself. But I will try to find a site for you.

 

[Don Penguinoini]

Please, quote properly! put [/quote] at the end of the quote.

 

[Fatihah]

[QUOTE=YmirGF;1538951

But, Fatihah, in the post I dissected you did not offer any proof whatsoever. Deep down inside you know that a team of qualified geologists could destroy your argument in a relative heartbeat. So what is the point? Doesn't it strike you as odd to give laypeople the third degree without heading straight to the authorities who can satisfactorily answer your questions?

Response: There is a link in post 213 on information about the function and formation of mountains.

 

[darkendless]

But, Fatihah, in the post I dissected you did not offer any proof whatsoever. Deep down inside you know that a team of qualified geologists could destroy your argument in a relative heartbeat. So what is the point? Doesn't it strike you as odd to give laypeople the third degree without heading straight to the authorities who can satisfactorily answer your questions?

Response: There is a link in post 213 on information about the function and formation of mountains.

Go back 1 page and you'll see how mountains are formed. I took my information from my course material for Earth Science and GIS, if its wrong and you're right, the world is in a heck of a lot of trouble. However, im not wrong