Modern Science proves the Authenticity of the Glorious Qur'an

[Angelfire]

far too many western scientists do prove that the scientific evidences found in the Qur'an are not man made.

"Again, the point has been made, I think, repeatedly by other speakers this morning: these hadeeths could not have been obtained on the basis of the scientific knowledge that was available [at] the time of their writing . ."
Dr. Joe Leigh Simpson

note: he is talking about hadiths, hadiths ussually elaborate most of the verses in the quran. Dr. Simpson is actually taling about the following hadiths;

"In every one of you, all components of your creation are collected together in your mother’s womb by forty days..."

"If forty-two nights have passed over the embryo, God sends an angel to it, who shapes it and creates its hearing, vision, skin, flesh, and bones...."

these claims are also supported by another scientist, who happens to be an expert in the same fields as Simpson

"The Quran describes not only the development of external form, but emphasizes also the internal stages, the stages inside the embryo, of its creation and development, emphasizing major events recognized by contemporary science.”
Dr. E. Marshall Johnson

note: they are not "back to back", there may be some years in difference to both statements.

Also he (Dr. Johnson) says;
“As a scientist, I can only deal with things which I can specifically see. I can understand embryology and developmental biology. I can understand the words that are translated to me from the Quran. As I gave the example before, if I were to transpose myself into that era, knowing what I knew today and describing things, I could not describe the things which were described. I see no evidence for the fact to refute the concept that this individual, Muhammad, had to be developing this information from some place. So I see nothing here in conflict with the concept that divine intervention was involved in what he was able to write.”

i think i'll let this sink in first and post some more statements later. i also have the actual comparisons made between the scientific miracles of the Qur'an and actual scientific facts, wich i trust they will not be called "BIASED" by some non muslims as then they will be contradicting modern science.

Grab ya tin hat's guy's, here come's another war story.:areyoucra

 

[The Voice of Reason]

Not a Roy Zimmerman fan then?
YouTube - "Creation Science 101" by Roy Zimmerman

Hey! That's pretty good. He plays pretty good guitar, and he has obviously put some thought into the lyrics.

I guess I'll go with the "hypocrite" label after all. I could do a lot worse than having him for a role model.

 

[themadhair]

But let us take the account back again to the first conformation of the animal, and in order to make our account orderly and clear, let us divide the creation of the foetus overall into four periods of time. The first is that in which, as is seen both in abortions and in dissection, the form of the semen prevails. At this time, Hippocrates too, the all-marvellous, does not yet call the conformation of the animal a foetus; as we heard just now in the case of semen voided in the sixth day, he still calls it semen. But when it has been filled with blood, and heart, brain and liver are still unarticulated and unshaped yet have by now a certain solidarity and considerable size, this is the second period; the substance of the foetus has the form of flesh and no longer the form of semen. Accordingly you would find that Hippocrates too no longer calls such a form semen but, as was said, foetus. The third period follows on this, when, as was said, it is possible to see the three ruling parts clearly and a kind of outline, a silhouette, as it were, of all the other parts. You will see the conformation of the three ruling parts more clearly, that of the parts of the stomach more dimly, and much more still, that of the limbs. Later on they form "twigs", as Hippocrates expressed it, indicating by the term their similarity to branches. The fourth and final period is at the stage when all the parts in the limbs have been differentiated; and at this part Hippocrates the marvellous no longer calls the foetus an embryo only, but already a child, too when he says that it jerks and moves as an animal now fully formed.
The time has come for nature to articulate the organs precisely and to bring all the parts to completion. Thus it caused flesh to grow on and around all the bones, and at the same time ... it made at the ends of the bones ligaments that bind them to each other, and along their entire length it placed around them on all sides thin membranes, called periosteal, on which it caused flesh to grow.

All hail Galen.

 

[Mr Spinkles]

All hail Galen.

themadhair can you provide a source for that please? I want to study the words of God as Galen has apparently transmitted them.

 

[themadhair]

themadhair can you provide a source for that please? I want to study the words of God as Galen has apparently transmitted them.

I got it from here:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/7342155/Embryology-in-the-Quran

I don't have a full copy of the work it was taken from. This is the closest I can get:
Galen on diseases and symptoms - Google Book Search

 

[McBell]

themadhair can you provide a source for that please? I want to study the words of God as Galen has apparently transmitted them.

I found this:

The Internet Classics Archive | On the Natural Faculties by Galen
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Seems most of his work has been lost:

Galen, the founder of experimental physiology, was one of the most distinguished physicians of antiquity. Born in the Greek city of Pergamum, he was deeply influenced by the shrine of the healing god Asclepius there and chose to pursue training in medicine. Galen’s works had a dominant influence on medical theory and practice in Europe for some fourteen centuries after his death. He wrote on subjects other than medicine as well (notably philosophy and literature), but most of those works have been lost. Of his surviving works, the majority come from Arabic sources reintroduced to the West during the Renaissance. His renewed influence was partly responsible for the rise of science in modern times.
Online Library of Liberty - Galen

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I also found this:

A detailed summary of the major writings of two of the leading doctors of the ancient Greek and Roman world by one of the pioneering doctors of the early American Republic.
Online Library of Liberty - The Writings of Hippocrates and Galen
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[themadhair]

Frubals good sir

 

[McBell]

Frubals good sir

Thank you.

Now if I was a conspiracy nut, I would find this sentence rather interesting, especially given the claims of certain Muslims in this and the 'other' thread:

"Of his surviving works, the majority come from Arabic sources reintroduced to the West during the Renaissance."
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[themadhair]

Now if I was a conspiracy nut, I would find this sentence rather interesting, especially given the claims of certain Muslims in this and the 'other' thread:

"Of his surviving works, the majority come from Arabic sources reintroduced to the West during the Renaissance."​

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There is a massive irony in there somewhere....

 

[McBell]

[/indent]There is a massive irony in there somewhere....

I was thinking massive denial myself...

 

[The Neo Nerd]

Islam Guide: The Quran on Human Embryonic Development

So your big argument is that a leaches and chewin gum look like embryo's. GENIUS

I would still love to see the science of us coming from clay.

-Q

 

[painted wolf]

Response: I don't know what answer your expecting to hear. The thread is how modern science proves the authenticity of the glorious qur'an. So the information and evidence I've provided shows in fact that mountains do play a role in stabilizing the earth's surface through a process called isostasy.

Except that it doesn't.... and Glaciers cause isostasy as well, but no mention of them the Qur'an.

The knowledge that mountains balance the earth's surface was mentioned in the qur'an 1400 years ago but wasn't discovered until recently making it a miracle.

Actually that is your interpretation.... all the Qur'an says is that it "keeps the earth from shaking". You are seeing what you want to see.

As for your question, modern science has not come to terms with the knowledge of the himalayas and their formation so any answer a person would give to your question would only be their theory.

right.... how convenient....

Now if you want my own theory then I'll try my best to provide one but the fact remains that mountains do in fact stabilize the earth's surface modern science does confirm the miracle mentioned in the qur'an.

Again, you are seeing what you want to see and ignoring the actual science. Modern science says no such thing.
All modern science explains is the deformation of land in some circumstances under certain conditions. (not all of those conditions include mountains)

Your 'facts' are not facts but statements of faith....

wa:do

 

[darkendless]

As for your question, modern science has not come to terms with the knowledge of the himalayas and their formation so any answer a person would give to your question would only be their theory. Now if you want my own theory then I'll try my best to provide one but the fact remains that mountains do in fact stabilize the earth's surface modern science does confirm the miracle mentioned in the qur'an.

Actually, we know exactly what happened, its not an uncommon feature of two colliding continental plates. What many people fail to understand is that there are so many factors involved, that these theories serve only to highlight the important points, and recognise the important factors of the event. There is no way science can be sure in geology because events take millions of years to develop. A lot can happen in a few millions years.

 

[The Neo Nerd]

Mountains stabilize the earth?

Nature always maintains a balance. Only stupid humans create imbalance.

It doesnt take a genius to figure this out.

-Q

 

[darkendless]

Mountains stabilize the earth?

Nature always maintains a balance. Only stupid humans create imbalance.

It doesnt take a genius to figure this out.

-Q

Thats debatable. Mountains form as a result of tectonic instability.

 

[The Neo Nerd]

Thats debatable. Mountains form as a result of tectonic instability.

Earthquakes are caused by tectonic instability. Which is a natural and logical effect of two tectonic plates rubbing together. Which makes it once again. Try rubbing two pieces of sandpaper together and watch as they they bind and then slip.

Mountains form because of tectonic plates pushing together. The forming of these mountains is a natural and completely logical reaction to this event. Try pushing two pieces of paper together and you'll see the same effect.

Nature is non sentient, it does not have a purpose. Whatever it does is right because it can not be done any other way. Anybody with half a brain can figure out that nature follows the laws of cause and effect.

-Q

 

[Fatihah]

Actually that is your interpretation.... all the Qur'an says is that it "keeps the earth from shaking". You are seeing what you want to see.

Response: Exactly. Mountains prevent the earth's surface from shaking as the evidence in post 445 of page 45 of the thread clearly shows which is from the website in which you provided.

 

[painted wolf]

Balance in nature is simply the ebb and flow of chaos... nothing is ever really in balance, predator populations rise and fall in response to prey populations who rise and fall due to predator populations and food resources...
It's really more like watching a bunch of waves interact than a balance.

wa:do

 

[darkendless]

Earthquakes are caused by tectonic instability. Which is a natural and logical effect of two tectonic plates rubbing together. Which makes it once again. Try rubbing two pieces of sandpaper together and watch as they they bind and then slip.

Well obviously, the energy has to go somewhere.

Mountains form because of tectonic plates pushing together. The forming of these mountains is a natural and completely logical reaction to this event. Try pushing two pieces of paper together and you'll see the same effect.

Yes but how they form is often hard to model. When oceanic plates collide with continental plates the continental plate which is less dense is pushed above the oceanic plate. The Alps in the south Island of New Zealand are a result of this. The continetal plate slipped over the oceanic trench. When two continental plates collide, you have to start adding millions of factors. Since in principal, they are a similiar density, what determines which plate will sink to form mountains is hard to calculate. Sometimes though, mountains are not formed at all. The plates simply do not reflect basic models. Earlier in the thread i tried to explain that plates are not quite so 1 dimensional, and the only chance science currently has, is studying the results of tectonic activity and working backwards.

Nature is non sentient, it does not have a purpose. Whatever it does is right because it can not be done any other way. Anybody with half a brain can figure out that nature follows the laws of cause and effect.

-Q

Natural systems will always find an equilibrium. It is common with all systems of life. Equilibrium positions change, but to an extent they exist. Even in volatile systems such as plate boundaries.

 

[darkendless]

Actually that is your interpretation.... all the Qur'an says is that it "keeps the earth from shaking". You are seeing what you want to see.

Response: Exactly. Mountains prevent the earth's surface from shaking as the evidence in post 445 of page 45 of the thread clearly shows which is from the website in which you provided.

It's been demonstrated to you over 6 pages that you are incorrect. Must this arguement start again?