moral question

[Autodidact]

You can twist what I say in what ever way you wish if it makes you feel that you are a better person than I.

Well you tell us then. I don't want to twist your words. Take Moses. When the verse says that Moses said that God says to kill the babies, you think Moses was mistaken? Or didn't really say that? Or what?

 

[Autodidact]

The OP is about morality and that is the question I was answering.

Did you answer it? Is killing babies right or wrong?

It may or may not involve G-d.

According to the Torah, it does involve God, who repeatedly commanded His people to do it. My understanding of your resolution of this dilemma is that the Torah is wrong, correct?

 

[Autodidact]

The end results are the same. there is no difference

In that case, since there is no difference for you, do you believe both sets of actions are right, or wrong?

 

[Autodidact]

Self-defense?

How could killing a baby be self-defense?

 

[Meow Mix]

How could killing a baby be self-defense?

Um hello, haven't you seen Chucky? Oh wait, he was a doll...

 

[Gloone]

It depends on the reasons for the abortion. If someone does it because they don't want to have a kid or can't support it, I would think there could have been better ways to prevent the pregnancy than a abortion. If I were an extremists I would say if anyone has an abortion like that then they should get their tubes tied afterwards so they will never have the opportunity to have kids again.

 

[Autodidact]

It depends on the reasons for the abortion. If someone does it because they don't want to have a kid or can't support it, I would think there could have been better ways to prevent the pregnancy than a abortion. If I were an extremists I would say if anyone has an abortion like that then they should get their tubes tied afterwards so they will never have the opportunity to have kids again.

Gloone. This is not a thread about abortion. If you want to discuss abortion, please start a thread.

 

[waitasec]

Well, it wouldn't be gonocide if they didn't kill the babies now, would it?

yes it would. because they let the little the girls live for raping...
essentially altering the race forever...

 

[Gloone]

What is the difference between killing babies and abortion. I won't start a new thread, but I will take it that this thread is relevant to nothing.

 

[waitasec]

What is the difference between killing babies and abortion. I won't start a new thread, but I will take it that this thread is relevant to nothing.

i see what you mean.
however, the thing is, if god is the source of all good how can he command anyone to kill babies.

god is on the hot seat, so to speak, not people.

 

[PolyHedral]

What is the difference between killing babies and abortion. I won't start a new thread, but I will take it that this thread is relevant to nothing.

"Babies" normally means a post-birth infant. Hence, you can't abort a baby without severely mangling one of the terms.

i see what you mean.
however, the thing is, if god is the source of all good how can he command anyone to kill babies.

god is on the hot seat, so to speak, not people.

Not entirely sure "command" is the right word; In Exodus, He does it Himself!

 

[waitasec]

"Babies" normally means a post-birth infant. Hence, you can't abort a baby without severely mangling one of the terms.


Not entirely sure "command" is the right word; In Exodus, He does it Himself!

i was thinking about the book of numbers...
the midianites...
Numbers 31:7-18
another tale of an all loving deity :sarcastic

 

[Thesavorofpan]

Ding! Give that poster a cigar. There is no way to follow your religion and be right. What do you conclude from this?

Perhaps, very rarely, but certainly not innocent infants who pose no threat to you.

With or without God babies are going to die. That's just life. Religion has nothing to do with babies dying other then being the advocate for the blame.

 

[Gloone]

"Babies" normally means a post-birth infant. Hence, you can't abort a baby without severely mangling one of the terms.

Yeah, I guess if the baby had terrible parents to begin with then it probably never really stood much of a chance anyways.

 

[Autodidact]

What is the difference between killing babies and abortion. I won't start a new thread, but I will take it that this thread is relevant to nothing.

Let's assume there is no difference, for purposes of this thread. Now, is killing babies, foeteses or embryos right or wrong?

 

[Autodidact]

With or without God babies are going to die. That's just life. Religion has nothing to do with babies dying other then being the advocate for the blame.

So is killing babies right or wrong? Are you saying it's not wrong, because they're going to die anyway?

 

[Meow Mix]

I started a thread about the difference between abortion and killing a baby in the General Debates section since it's off topic to Auto's OP and to the religious section.

 

[Autodidact]

Yeah, I guess if the baby had terrible parents to begin with then it probably never really stood much of a chance anyways.

So it's o.k. with you to kill babies if they have lousy parents?

 

[Danmac]

Gloone. This is not a thread about abortion. If you want to discuss abortion, please start a thread.

So you are not really concerned about the morality of killing a baby as long as the method is acceptable right?

 

[Danmac]

Which is why I wouldn't trust the moral integrity of some believers if my life depended on their making a moral choice. I would be frightened of them, honestly.

By "them" I mean those who justify things like the killing of babies in holy texts or like the passage I asked about that told family members to kill other family members for apostasy. Anyone who makes excuses for these things has seriously questionable morals in my opinion and I frankly wouldn't trust them to watch my back.

But you would condone abortion, which is killing babies right?