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moral question

Autodidact

Autodidact

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sandy whitelinger said:
I want a clear explanation why it matters whether it's a baby or an adult. You seemed to imply that it was only a matter of the reason of the perpetrator.
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No, I'm sorry, I guess I was not clear. Babies are the least defensible type of killing. There is no possible moral justification for killing them.

There may be some justification for killing some adults sometimes, but there is never any justification for killing any baby, ever.

So I'm wondering how people justify worshiping a God that commands it.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
I believe it's wrong. And since it was mentioned, I personally would not consider an abortion, as I believe life begins at conception and I have too much of soft spot to go through with it.
However, since we are in desperate need of a population control, some of the babies that were aborted would have been born into abusive and neglectful families, or to families that just simply couldn't provide, and with stem cell research looking like a very promising field, and for personal choice, I think that abortion should remain an option.
 
sandy whitelinger

sandy whitelinger

Veteran Member
Autodidact said:
No, I'm sorry, I guess I was not clear. Babies are the least defensible type of killing. There is no possible moral justification for killing them.

There may be some justification for killing some adults sometimes, but there is never any justification for killing any baby, ever.

So I'm wondering how people justify worshiping a God that commands it.
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I believe I jumped in here wondering why killing an innocent baby was worse than killing an innocent adult. Having "some justification for killing some adults sometimes," doesn't answer that. My point being is why do infants have more justification to live than an adult?
 
Autodidact

Autodidact

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sandy whitelinger said:
I believe I jumped in here wondering why killing an innocent baby was worse than killing an innocent adult. Having "some justification for killing some adults sometimes," doesn't answer that. My point being is why do infants have more justification to live than an adult?
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They don't. Some people could mount an argument that some adults on some occasions merit capital punishment or killing in self-defense. I'm not trying to challenge or defend those arguments. My point is that no such argument can possibly be made with regard to a baby.
 
Falvlun

Falvlun

Earthbending Lemur
Premium Member
So, basically, the main defense of those who wish to support God's command to kill the babies is that "Hey, humans kill babies too! And they also kill adults!."

How that has any bearing on whether it is right for God to command people to do more killing of innocent humans is beyond me.
 
Autodidact

Autodidact

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Thesavorofpan said:
I'm saying it really doesn't matter because whether it be right or wrong babies are going to die, thats a fact of lie. Poor babies. :sad4:
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It doesn't matter whether murder is right or wrong? Remind me not to let you babysit. I guess if you don't think morality matters, then there's really no reason for you to debate it. What religion are you?
 
waitasec

waitasec

Veteran Member
Thesavorofpan said:
I'm saying it really doesn't matter because whether it be right or wrong babies are going to die, thats a fact of lie. Poor babies. :sad4:
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what a load of crap. this is one of the most dishonest things anyone can say.
i'm sure if someone was holding your child at gun point or hanging by the end of a bayonet you'd feel different.
you are nothing but a BSer...:mad:
typical christian rhetoric
 
painted wolf

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
Autodidact said:
It doesn't matter whether murder is right or wrong? Remind me not to let you babysit. I guess if you don't think morality matters, then there's really no reason for you to debate it. What religion are you?
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Was bombing Dresden and Tokyo right or wrong? Lot's of babies died thanks to our dropping bombs on cities... but would it have been better to ignore Germany and Japan in WWII and let other babies die by our inaction?

This issue is a trap, as pointed out by Sam Harris in "The End o Faith"... there is no moral answer to the question.

wa:do
 
waitasec

waitasec

Veteran Member
painted wolf said:
Was bombing Dresden and Tokyo right or wrong? Lot's of babies died thanks to our dropping bombs on cities... but would it have been better to ignore Germany and Japan in WWII and let other babies die by our inaction?

This issue is a trap, as pointed out by Sam Harris in "The End o Faith"... there is no moral answer to the question.

wa:do
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but when you are looking towards god to be the source of morality it is a contradiction, i believe that is the point autodidact is making.

people are people and we have the potential to be either good or evil.
no doubt we have killed babies, but doing it in the name of god, who is the supposed source of good, doesn't make much sense.
 
McBell

McBell

Unbound
TheQueenCat said:
Is this question about abortion, I think it is not wrong. But of course people should learn birth control methods.
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No, this thread is not about abortion.
Though many people would much rather it be and a few have even tried really hard to divert this thread to be about abortion.

THIS thread is about god killing babies and god ordering his followers to kill babies.
 
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