Morality

[blackout]

Disregard any government laws. It's all legal.

Scenario 1:

Tom wants to have intercourse with a very young girl. She and her guardians give their consent. Is this acceptable for him to do?

Who the hell is Tom?
And why does he want to have intercourse with a very young girl?:sarcastic

Beyond that, for what reason would a pre-pubescent girl (child)
WANT to have sex (intercourse)?
oooooohhhhHHH right, none.
(reminder- hormones are what makes humans WANT to have sex)
So she is consenting to what then. Being used?


And this girl's parents?
Do they have some kind of 'other' arrangement
goin on with this 'Tom'?

Beyond that,
If 'Tom', mom, dad and very young girl all want very young girl
to go out and drive Tom's car on a public road,
how about the highway,
with absolutely no idea how to handle a car,
or read 'signals',
no knowledge of the rules of the road,
and not enough personal growth to properly even see where she's going
over the dashboard
(never mind the maturity to guage safe manuvers)
would anyone suggest this is a good idea?
Assume it were not illegal.
Would you stop her from driving the car?

 

[blackout]

This whole thread is nothing more than a (not so)veiled attempt
to *show* godless posters that their 'morals' are arbitrary lines drawn in the sand.

yet... the morals 'found' in books people like to call 'holy', are no less arbitrary.

 

[filthy tugboat]

Disregard any government laws. It's all legal.

Scenario 1:

Tom wants to have intercourse with a very young girl. She and her guardians give their consent. Is this acceptable for him to do?

Only assuming she is physically capable and her consent was well informed. For a large portion of human history, 13 year olds and even some younger were regular participants in sex. As long as they had reached the age of potential pregnancy(an age that varies from person to person) then they were fair game. Nowadays we focus more on the emotional and intellectual maturity as well as the physical.

Scenario 2:

Jim, from his home, can see kids playing outside his window. He decides to masturbate. No one can see him. Is this acceptable for him to do?

Acceptable to whom? Jim? Yes. Clearly.

Scenario 3:

Kayla notices that her dog is quite fond of her leg. She decides to have sex with her dog. Is this acceptable for her to do?

Presumably, yes? The dog's definitely keen.

Scenario 4:

Jim and Kayla have just given birth to a baby girl. They kill her and bury her in the yard. Is this acceptable for them to do?

Acceptable from what viewpoint?

Scenario 5:

Mike likes to eat dog meat. He raises them and eats them. Is this acceptable for him to do?

How is this different from cattle farming?

Scenario 6:

Ashley loves her poodle, even more than her daughter. Her poodle receives more attention, but her daughter has all of her basic necessities. Is this acceptable for her to do?

No? The child needs more than just food and water, so unless you include all standard emotional and intellectual support in those "basic necessities" then no.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Morals do not rely on religion.
They are more akin to the oil that makes our world tick.

Different religions set different rules.
Christianity and Islam disagree strongly on such things as...
Cutting of hands
beheading and stoning for sex "Crimes"
The place and proscription of women in society
the preferment of men over women.
Sexuality, and homosexuality.
Usury.
The status of religious law.

Such things do colour a particular religion's Spectrum of Moral thought.

Morals tend to be those things that give a balance of freedom to the individual in the context of a working civilisation.
Bodies such as the united nations and European court of justice are set up in the belief that Morals can be both universal and codified in law.
Personal Morals are a subset of this.
Religious laws are a selection of subsets.

All adult humans except the mentally disabled, are capable of a Moral understanding and discrimination. Criminals and the perverse are well able to set such considerations aside for personal gain and satisfaction.

 

[jamesmorrow]

This whole thread is nothing more than a (not so)veiled attempt
to *show* godless posters that their 'morals' are arbitrary lines drawn in the sand.

yet... the morals 'found' in books people like to call 'holy', are no less arbitrary.

exactly. that is the point i was trying to make when i said that the bible god has far worse morals than the scenarios sleeppy listed. what sleeppy and others like him do not want to understand, or admit, is that the morals in the bible simply represent human morals of that time. and are not an absolute moral standard for the ages. and then, when they realize something in the bible is so painfully obviously immoral, they go for the loop hole of the new testament(as if their god somehow changed his mind, while not really changing his mind) and explain it as human understanding of god's morals changing, not god's morals changing. sad sheep.

 

[Viker]

This whole thread is nothing more than a (not so)veiled attempt
to *show* godless posters that their 'morals' are arbitrary lines drawn in the sand.

yet... the morals 'found' in books people like to call 'holy', are no less arbitrary.

Frubed.

 

[waitasec]

is being dishonest being immoral sleepy?
or does it not apply for certain individuals.

 

[Sleeppy]

How does it prove itself in the physical world?

For some, they experience it in the Holy Spirit. For others, they have to do some searching, or waiting.

Visions and Miracles Out of the Land of Egypt | Watch the Documentary Film Free Online | SnagFilms

I like this documentary. You may not see it as proof, but I do.

 

[Sleeppy]

This whole thread is nothing more than a (not so)veiled attempt
to *show* godless posters that their 'morals' are arbitrary lines drawn in the sand.

yet... the morals 'found' in books people like to call 'holy', are no less arbitrary.

Well, not exactly. Next time just ask me what I'm attempting to do and I'll tell you. Lighten up.

If you are understanding, you realize that everyone has their own arbitrary lines drawn. Looking at the thread's responses proves that.

 

[connermt]

If you still call it acceptable.. that's better for what I'm trying to determine.

So why title the thread MORALITY if you're really looking for what's acceptable?

 

[Kilgore Trout]

So why title the thread MORALITY if you're really looking for what's acceptable?

Because moving the goal posts is a great tactic for running away from rational criticism of one's ideas.

 

[Daviso452]

For some, they experience it in the Holy Spirit. For others, they have to do some searching, or waiting.

Visions and Miracles Out of the Land of Egypt | Watch the Documentary Film Free Online | SnagFilms

I like this documentary. You may not see it as proof, but I do.

Have you researched any possibilities of how the miracles in this video were fake? If not, then you are subjecting yourself to conformation bias. You see something that supports your position and so you believe it.

 

[jamesmorrow]

Have you researched any possibilities of how the miracles in this video were fake? If not, then you are subjecting yourself to conformation bias. You see something that supports your position and so you believe it.

Check that rational tone please. Its rude to the irrational

 

[waitasec]

Fine then. You need to prove it in the physical world before using it for your arguments in the physical world.

For some, they experience it in the Holy Spirit. For others, they have to do some searching, or waiting.

Visions and Miracles Out of the Land of Egypt | Watch the Documentary Film Free Online | SnagFilms

I like this documentary. You may not see it as proof, but I do.

:biglaugh:
we know you believe... where is the proof that would cause Daviso452 to ... it's not about you..
:biglaugh:

 

[Sleeppy]

So why title the thread MORALITY if you're really looking for what's acceptable?

Because moving the goal posts is a great tactic for running away from rational criticism of one's ideas.

I see them as the same thing, but there are others that have pointed out the alternative.

Also, I don't believe I presented any argument. I left that up to whoever wants to do that. I'm mostly observing.. Which is why I haven't responded to everyone's assertions.

 

[Sleeppy]

Have you researched any possibilities of how the miracles in this video were fake? If not, then you are subjecting yourself to conformation bias. You see something that supports your position and so you believe it.

There will always be possibilities. I'd have to go to Egypt myself for any research.. Which I plan to do.

 

[Daviso452]

There will always be possibilities. I'd have to go to Egypt myself for any research.. Which I plan to do.

I did not mean just possibilities, but more reasonable possibilities.

You don't necessarily have to go to Egypt. Just present the evidence others have discovered.

 

[Sleeppy]

I did not mean just possibilities, but more reasonable possibilities.

You don't necessarily have to go to Egypt. Just present the evidence others have discovered.

Reasonable how?

I think it's best for anyone researching anything, to do so personally.

 

[Daviso452]

Reasonable how?

I think it's best for anyone researching anything, to do so personally.

True. But the purpose of history is to learn from it. Learn from other people have learned. I'm not saying you shouldn't; I just don't think its completely necessary.

 

[Sleeppy]

True. But the purpose of history is to learn from it. Learn from other people have learned. I'm not saying you shouldn't; I just don't think its completely necessary.

It's really just something I want to do. I'm not as skeptical, and so I go expecting to experience it.